Terry Pratchett's Hogfather : Susan and the Hogfather
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It was explained better in the book, but I'll try :) remember the teeth were controlling belief, cutting off the belief in Hogfather, and in Discworld if a god or entity has no belief they die. In the ToothCastle they cleared up all the teeth, so the spell undone itself, it just took a while to reach Hoggy-who was injured by the Auditors/wolves.
The changing thing, in a deleted scene on the dvd and in the book, Susan sees the Hogfather change through all his different former shapes, to the one we recognise. That was kind of shown in the movie but not fully, but yea she saw all his shapes, and he rode away in the red and white, to restore things to as they were :) is that explained ok?
EDIT TO ADD - another way to think of it, the spell in ToothCastle made Hoggi die, and when the spell was undone, he was "re-born" and went through all the stages of his life he did when he lived it, from the animal sacrifice, to the big man, tthe Hogfather :)
The changing thing, in a deleted scene on the dvd and in the book, Susan sees the Hogfather change through all his different former shapes, to the one we recognise. That was kind of shown in the movie but not fully, but yea she saw all his shapes, and he rode away in the red and white, to restore things to as they were :) is that explained ok?
EDIT TO ADD - another way to think of it, the spell in ToothCastle made Hoggi die, and when the spell was undone, he was "re-born" and went through all the stages of his life he did when he lived it, from the animal sacrifice, to the big man, tthe Hogfather :)
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Explained brilliantlythank-you.
At first, when I saw Hoggie, get up and was naked in front of the rising sun, I thought (due to his size), that it was Banjoand then I really got confused.
How could Banjo turn into Hoggie, when at the end, there was Banjo playing w/the puppie.
I remember the wizard putting the spell on the teeth, but I was under the impression that Death was already having to do Hoggies job, as Hoggie had dissapeared already prior to the spell.
Maybe my timing is off a little from the film and I don't remember things correctly.
Any further thought to help me clarify that one?
At first, when I saw Hoggie, get up and was naked in front of the rising sun, I thought (due to his size), that it was Banjoand then I really got confused.
How could Banjo turn into Hoggie, when at the end, there was Banjo playing w/the puppie.
I remember the wizard putting the spell on the teeth, but I was under the impression that Death was already having to do Hoggies job, as Hoggie had dissapeared already prior to the spell.
Maybe my timing is off a little from the film and I don't remember things correctly.
Any further thought to help me clarify that one?
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Cool, glad I explained it so well :) Haha nooo that wasn't Banjo at the rising sun :P they were just of similar build and shape as you said, so yarr.
Even in the book the timing stuff's not fully explained, tbh. You could say that Death saw Hoggie's life timer was running out, and saw he'd be gone, by whatever means, before Hogswatch, and knew he'd have to take over. You could say we just saw things in a different order to the how they happened, it could still match up from when Death spoke to Susan and when she arrived at ToothCastle. This next idea is a bit more complicated :P Death's house and the ToothCastle both exist outside of time, in an "ever-lasting now" which does flow, but I think following the world's timeline is just optional for the beings, necessary for their jobs. Maybe the "now" in the ToothCastle affected every "now" the teeth came from, so the spell went through all of time, affecting everyone when they were kids And it takes affect in the "now" that Teatime et al came from Haa they are my ideas for it, pick your favorite ^.^
Even in the book the timing stuff's not fully explained, tbh. You could say that Death saw Hoggie's life timer was running out, and saw he'd be gone, by whatever means, before Hogswatch, and knew he'd have to take over. You could say we just saw things in a different order to the how they happened, it could still match up from when Death spoke to Susan and when she arrived at ToothCastle. This next idea is a bit more complicated :P Death's house and the ToothCastle both exist outside of time, in an "ever-lasting now" which does flow, but I think following the world's timeline is just optional for the beings, necessary for their jobs. Maybe the "now" in the ToothCastle affected every "now" the teeth came from, so the spell went through all of time, affecting everyone when they were kids And it takes affect in the "now" that Teatime et al came from Haa they are my ideas for it, pick your favorite ^.^
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I thought it was because the Hogfather had started out as a folkloric sacrifice and so his dying was a reenactment of that sacrifice.
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Anais Nin
Susan and the Hogfather
At the ending, when Hogfather jumps over the chasm with Susan riding him, he appears dead and bleeding, just lying there.
Susan begins to cry and complain that this isn't the way that it is supposed to end, or something to that effect.
All of the sudden, there are the rays of early morning light and the Hogfather is no longer a BoarHog, but rather a naked big man facing the rising sun.
The next thing we know is that the Hogfather is clothed in Santa's garb and getting on his sleigh with the reindeer-boars to guide him.
How did the Hogfather surviveit sure looked to me like he was dead (I realize it is a movie and anything is possible).was it Susan's compassion and wanting to believe in the Hogfather that gave the Hogfather life?