Politics : Vaccine Passports

Vaccine Passports

I'm in favor of vaccine passports for travel and to enter events and businesses. If people are afraid of getting the shot they can just stay home. No shot/No entry.
We already require certain shots for schools and to enter the country. I don't see why this should be such a big deal.

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If the shot works and anyone who wants it can get it, then what is the need for a passport? The only ones at risk of catching the virus would be those who accept that risk.

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People who don't get the shot can still spread it to each other causing mutant strains that could make the current vaccines ineffective. It's a public health issue. If you are afraid to get the shot, you should just stay home and let those of us who aren't afraid get on with our lives.

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I'm against Vaccine passports.

If I don't have the passport will I be refused admittance to stores, theatres and public places where people congregate?

And if that can be enforced, what is to stop states from setting up checkpoints and refusing entrance to anyone who does not show their passport?

Suppose someone starts a movement to declare people without passports a danger to society and demand they be removed to special camps for public safety?

One stepping stone always leads to another in a government run by autocrats whose prime motivation is not health and safety but control and subjugation.

Don't think it can happen here? Then remember what your life was like before the pandemic and compare it to how you are living today.

Sorry, but the entire thing stinks as badly as the identity papers issued by the totalitarians of the nineteen forties.

And This, Too, Shall Pass Away

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We already require proof of vaccinations for schools and entrance into the country. Why should I have to worry about getting sick just because you are afraid of a shot?

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We already require proof of vaccinations for schools and entrance into the country. Why should I have to worry about getting sick just because you are afraid of a shot?


Read my post again.

I said I was against the Vaccine Passport, not the shot.

I have already taken the first shot and am scheduled to take the second in a couple of weeks.

And This, Too, Shall Pass Away

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Subconsciously, you want to be a slave.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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No, consciously I want to be safe from curable diseases.

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You only need the vaccine for that.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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As I previously stated, people who refuse the vaccine cause the virus to spread and mutate among themselves until it mutates into a strain not protected by our current vaccine. Thus, putting us all at risk again.

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What does that have to do with papers to go into the local store?

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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Do you wear a shirt and shoes to go into a store?

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Yes. Please, continue with your question.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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Slave!

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I had high hopes for this vector of attack, but you've hugely disappointed.

Vaccine certificates/passports are an invasion of privacy. Wearing clothes are a protection of privacy.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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Vaccine certificates/passports are an invasion of privacy.

Only to childish idiots trying to masquerade as functioning, rational adults but failing miserably. Fucking grow up already.

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Ad hominem. What else you got?

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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It's not an ad hominem if it is an actually true observation of reality and not merely an insult.

Your position is simply childish and impossible to defend using reason–it is also an example of something very recent in history. Irrational nuts like you who won't cooperate like adults have always, unfortunately, been a vile stain within society. But for most of history, the majority of adults have seen vaccine passports as a ticket to freedom and a pathway out of pandemic. That is the mature take.

That so many of you fuckwits are around these days is merely an indication of how infantilized right wing culture has become. It wasn't always thus.

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So, still you have nothing. You've said nothing to defend vaccine passports, all you've done is call those who oppose them names.

And you accuse me of being childish?



For all my life, I've never had to show anybody my papers to buy a newspaper, or go grocery shopping. Restaurants simply required a name to make a reservation, never caring if it was even legit.

The onus is on the authoritarian to explain why they now need to know who I am. The onus is on them to explain why I have to have a rushed vaccine if I want to earn a wage, feed myself, or meet up with friends and family in a place of leisure.

I find it bizarre that people cannot see the precedent this sets and the very serious need to reject it wholeheartedly.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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For all my life, I've never had to show anybody my papers to buy a newspaper, or go grocery shopping. Restaurants simply required a name to make a reservation, never caring if it was even legit.

For all your life, there was no pandemic and so no need. My god, you are really one of the dumbest people around here.

The onus is on the authoritarian to explain why they now need to know who I am. The onus is on them to explain why I have to have a rushed vaccine if I want to earn a wage, feed myself, or meet up with friends and family in a place of leisure.

The answer is simple (to slow the spread of disease and save human lives), but you are so fundamentally stupid and in the grip of a relatively new and dangerous ideology that you'll never accept it.

I find it bizarre that people cannot see the precedent this sets and the very serious need to reject it wholeheartedly.

The precedent has been set and in place for centuries, fuckwit–and guess what? No harm to actual, real freedoms was ever caused.

If I run a business like a bar or restaurant where a large number of people gather during a pandemic, I want to protect my customers and my employees from the spread of disease and a vaccine passport backed by the state is an excellent tool to advance my interests. On a fundamental level it gives all of us more freedom–genuine freedom.

If it has the added benefit of keeping worthless pieces of shit like you out of my space, that's an additional win.

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How worthless is your life that you have to come to an anonymous message board to shout and scream at people? A real man would find somebody to fuck and/or take up martial arts, if he had that much rage coursing through his body. I hope for your sake you're a woman who only visits this place once a month to unload her pre-menstral tension. I could admire that.

I bet you're "anti-hate", right?



Being comfortable with hypocrisy appears to be a fundamental requirement of being a left wing thinker.

You make it sound like Ebola is on the streets. This is the flu. Flus have been around throughout human history. You should get some perspective.

If the vaccine is so effective, why should the vaccinated care that I am unvaccinated?

The simple truth is, if the virus was so severe that its danger outweighed the risk of the vaccine, people would get vaccinated. Coming up with manipulative ways to force everyone to have it looks manipulative… I might have taken the vaccine if I wasn't being threatened to do so.

Vaccine passports take away people's right to make their own risk assessment about their own life.

It's a privacy issue - nobody should have to know who you are when you go out shopping, or to a bar - but more importantly, it's an affront to liberty, and takes away our right to decide what happens to our own bodies.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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The Ghost of FFS said... How worthless is your life that you have to come to an anonymous message board to shout and scream at people? A real man would find somebody to fuck and/or take up martial arts, if he had that much rage coursing through his body. I hope for your sake you're a woman who only visits this place once a month to unload her pre-menstral tension. I could admire that.

I bet you're "anti-hate", right?



Being comfortable with hypocrisy appears to be a fundamental requirement of being a left wing thinker.

You make it sound like Ebola is on the streets. This is the flu. Flus have been around throughout human history. You should get some perspective.

If the vaccine is so effective, why should the vaccinated care that I am unvaccinated?

The simple truth is, if the virus was so severe that its danger outweighed the risk of the vaccine, people would get vaccinated. Coming up with manipulative ways to force everyone to have it looks manipulative… I might have taken the vaccine if I wasn't being threatened to do so.

Vaccine passports take away people's right to make their own risk assessment about their own life.

It's a privacy issue - nobody should have to know who you are when you go out shopping, or to a bar - but more importantly, it's an affront to liberty, and takes away our right to decide what happens to our own bodies.
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This little flu has already killed over half a million people dipshit. How severe do you want us to let it get before we do something? If it wasn't for the 50% of us being responsible we would already be up shit creek. Viruses Mutate! The more people that have it the more it mutates. For fuck sakes take a science course.

"Muh rights! Muh rights! Muh rights!"

Shut the fuck up…

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RoTTon said... This little flu has already killed over half a million people dipshit. How severe do you want us to let it get before we do something? If it wasn't for the 50% of us being responsible we would already be up shit creek. Viruses Mutate! The more people that have it the more it mutates. For fuck sakes take a science course.

"Muh rights! Muh rights! Muh rights!"

Shut the fuck up…
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Like I said, you love your slavery. You'd rather be safe than free.

Let's say everyone in the US gets the vaccine. No mutations happen here.

However, somebody from Asia flies in with a mutation that developed in Indonesia. What then?

Let's say somebody walks through Central America and picks up a mutation there before swimming the Rio Grande. What then?

Are you advocating we close the borders forever? I could respect your intellect more if you said you were. You can't take that position though, because "racist". You see where your logic takes you?

Stop buying their nonsense. Start thinking with your head instead of your heart.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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I agree with you on principle, but the COVID vaccine is different in that it was rushed, does not have any studies whatsoever done on any long-term side effects or even on long-term efficacy, and is thus unpredictable in ways that rightfully make people wary.

Refusing to get the COVID vaccine is not the same as being patently stupid enough to refuse a well-documented vaccine that is proven to work with little-to-no risk (either short-term or long-term) to the person receiving it.

I have gotten the first dose of the vaccine and will be getting the second soon, so I'm not speaking on behalf of those who refuse to get it, and wouldn't presume to do so. I just understand the desire to hold out on a brand new vaccine that has yet to even be approved by the FDA (outside, obviously, of authorization for emergency use).

Requiring vaccine passports for international travel or for concerts is one thing, as such isn't usually necessary, but requiring them for something as simple as going to the store or to the doctor seems ethically dubious.

Hark! Harold the angel sings.

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I don't think they should be required everywhere. Just places like bars and certain events. The anti-mask crowd wanted people to stay home if they were afraid of catching the virus during the shutdowns. I think it's time they stayed home if they are afraid of the vaccine now that we want to open things up. fair is fair.

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What bizarre logic. If people are afraid of the vaccine, the only thing they need to avoid is the syringe. If people are afraid of a virus that 99% of the population do not actually suffer from, they're the ones who need to adjust their lives.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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No, you need to adjust your life. We are doing what is right for humanity. You are the cave dwellers that fear science. That virus is constantly mutating, we need to stop it while we can.

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"Science" tells us that we'll never eradicate the virus and we certainly won't stop it mutating. It landed here in a day having been spawned in a far away land. Globalization renders your logic obsolete.

"Science" tells us that we have no data on long-term side effects, therefore, the vaccine is still a high risk.

You have to explain to people like me why I should put an untested substance in my arm to stop myself getting the flu, and you have to explain to me why me being protected is such an issue for you, if you're so convinced you'd be protected.

I imagine you're not advocating all foreign travel ceases, right? So you're not really all that committed to fighting the virus. You just enjoy the idea of authoritarianism. Like I said, subconsciously, you enjoy the idea of slavery. It would remove the stress of being responsible for yourself.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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Science tells us the vaccine is safe.

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No, scientists tell us the vaccine is safe in the immediate-term. COVID hasn't been around long enough for us to understand what the long term issues of the vaccine may be.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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If you're scared stay home.

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I'm not scared, hence why I won't be having the vaccine.

How should I get food etc, if I don't have a certificate/passport?

See how your logic fails you time and again?

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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You are afraid of getting the vaccine. Grow some balls. And the passports would only be for places where people are in close contact for extended periods of time, like concerts, movies. plane trips, etc. not grocery stores.

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I'm not afraid of it. I'm refusing to take it because I know that it's a higher risk for me that COVID. If the virus was a threat, I'd opt for the vaccine and live with the long term risk.

You're afraid of a virus that's so impotent it kills almost nobody.

Grow some balls.
When a person who's chosen slavery over freedom tells me to grow some balls, I laugh discreetly and leave them in the pitiful state I found them. You cannot emancipate those who do not want to be free.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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You're afraid of a virus that's so impotent it kills almost nobody.
561,000 deaths in the United States and 2,920,000 deaths worldwide.

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You know the populations of the US and the rest of the globe? Do you know how many people die anyway each year?

It's killed almost nobody at all.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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We're done here. You are either trolling or a complete moron… probably both.

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R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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How about a tattoo somewhere obvious on your body?

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So how long does the vaccine last? No one seems to know? Do we need to get another vaccine booster again eventually down the road? Does the vaccine passport cover just the first vaccine shot even if a second booster is needed eventually? What if someone decides to get the first vaccine shot and not the second one down the road? Does the vaccine passport run out with the first vaccine shot if you don't get the second one if it's needed? 
    

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It's not about the vaccine. It's not even about COVID. It's creeping authoritarianism, disguised as safety and security.

Those who aren't feeling the increasing loss of liberty must have already given all of theirs away.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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Go storm the Capitol you dolt. You fucking Q conspiracy nut jobs should all be euthanized.

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You sound wonderful.

I'm guessing you're anti-hate?

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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No, I'm anti-idiot.

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That must be tough. Hope you find your happiness.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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I'm happy as a clam. Fully vaccinated, and can now go wherever I want without worrying that I won't be allowed entry to somewhere because I don't have a card.

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I know. I've already told you. You're happy being a slave.

R. I. P. FFS (1975-2021)
Murdered by a Teutonic catfish

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We ran out of vaccines. I can't find any anywhere. So how exactly would it help travelers when the population hasn't all been vaccinated yet? There is a variant but I dunno if current vaccines from Pfizer and Moderma protect against all variants. I think there is a vaccine that will, but I don't know which company made it and if it is being distributed.

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Pfizer and Moderna currently work against the new variants.
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