Cary Grant : He was STRAIGHT??

He was STRAIGHT??

I've read so many things about him being gay! I thought he was gay all that time, and now I see that he was married FIVE times?? Ok, one time, I'd buy it as a "front", but 5 times is too much!

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Afraid so. The gay rumors stem from a time when Grant shared a house with Montgomery Clift — and Clift jokingly began calling himself "Grant's wife".

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Actually he shared a house with Randolph Scott.

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You're "afraid so" WHAT?
And the poster above is correct. Or maybe you're both correct.

p.s.: Hey, how many "Frumious Bandersnatches" are here??

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1: I'm afraid he was straight. Why are you so shocked? Did you have a great deal invested in his having been gay?

2: salinuda1 is correct. It was Randolph Scott.

3: There is at least one other "Frumious Bandersnatch" on these boards.


I remember when Cleopatra went to the Temple of Ra to lead a few cheers.

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I'm making a film about his life, with a budget of 30,000,000 dollars, and I depict him as a gay man who never got married. Damn, next time I have to do some more research...

p.s.: Are you gonna sue the OTHER Frumious Bandresnatch for stealing copyright?

p.s.2: I wonder what took you so long to reply. Maybe you were busy making spicy soups. :p

p.s.3: Do you really remember when Cleopatra went to the Temple of Ra to lead a few cheers?? THE Cleopatra?? Jesus, how old are you, amigo???

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Sorry about the $30,000,000, man. (How much is that in Greek Drachmas?)

Can't sue the other Frumious; Lewis Carroll is suing us.

You wouldn't believe how old I am.
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First:
"Mexican Gringo" is as much an oxymoron as "jumbo shrimp" or "deafening silence" — or "military intelligence". And I am neither Mexican nor Gringo.

Second:
There are days when I feel almost old enough to have known Cleopatra personally.

Third:
So how much is US$30,000,000 in €?

Fourth:
Copyrights can be renewed. — And I meant that Carroll (under the name of Charles Lutwidge Dodgson) was suing the other Frumious and me.

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You must be confusing him with someone else. I never heard or read anything about him being possibly gay.

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Gay rumors get started easily. I get it too....I'm single and have been for most of my life (only married for 4 years), live with another man, wear makeup in public (a band), and can be seen in gay bars from time to time.

You can imagine. Grant was right when he said women get curious and want to find out for sure.

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So, are you gay or not??

p.s.: And for which band do you play? KISS? Or Culture Club?-Dream

See how it works? These rumors get started based on nothing.

1000% straight. Don't trust me alone with your wife (or your daughter). I do wear some eyeliner and fingernail polish when I play. The girls don't mind a bit.

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I won't trust you with my wife or my daughter, because I don't have any of them! -Dream

Darn....was hoping you would want to prove I'm gay. How about a girlfriend?

So, your band's name is "Dream"?-Dream

Nah...that's your nickname in my world.

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Wikipedia:



Some, including Hedda Hopper and screenwriter Arthur Laurents, have said that Grant was bisexual, the latter writing that Grant "told me he threw pebbles at my window one night but was luckless". Grant allegedly was involved with costume designer Orry-Kelly when he first moved to Manhattan, and lived with Randolph Scott off and on for twelve years. Richard Blackwell wrote that Grant and Scott were "deeply, madly in love", and alleged eyewitness accounts of their physical affection have been published. Alexander D'Arcy, who appeared with Grant in The Awful Truth, said he knew that Grant and Scott "lived together as a gay couple", adding: "I think Cary knew that people were saying things about him. I don't think he tried to hide it." The two men frequently accompanied each other to parties and premieres and were unconcerned when photographs of them cozily preparing dinner together at home were published in fan magazines.
Barbara, Grant's widow, has disputed that there was a relationship with Scott. When Chevy Chase joked about Grant being gay in a television interview Grant sued him for slander; they settled out of court. However, Grant did admit in an interview that his first two wives had accused him of being homosexual. Betsy Drake commented: "Why would I believe that Cary was homosexual when we were busy *beep*

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The rumors [and they are just that] stem from Grant living with Randolph Scott and that is all. I'm sorry, but two men sharing a house together is not proof of any homosexuality. The only ones who knew what went on in the house are Grant and Scott and they are dead.

Is it a coincidence that the only books that say Grant was gay are written by hacks? Grant's name has come up recently in a book written by Scotty Bowers. Bowers is like his contemporaries [Darwin Porter, David Bret, Charles Higham, Roy Mosley or Marc Elliot], in short, a worthless hack who cannot get his historical facts right in the first place.

We will never know if Grant was truly bisexual, face it, we will never really know and I will not claim either way. Based on what we do know, Cary Grant was not gay, he was heterosexual as his five marriages and other affairs with women. Did he experiment with men along the way? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

Grant's honest and committed biographers have found no evidence to support the claims. But his less than honest writers have claimed the rumors to be true without any evidence at all.

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http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/images/4265458917_c7ffe14df2. jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MdT92ZQvZ0s/TP5V2CSASsI/AAAAAAAAIY0/9D8t9jab nWs/s1600/RandolphScott%2526CaryGrant.jpg

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They posed for homey pictures a lot, the two of them, back in the days. Around the house, in the kitchen, the pool. It doesn't prove anything, I know, but I thought I'd share a few. They look like a lovely "couple" to me.

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They posed for homey pictures a lot, the two of them, back in the days. Around the house, in the kitchen, the pool. It doesn't prove anything, I know, but I thought I'd share a few. They look like a lovely "couple" to me. -Mile

It's interesting how the human mind works. We see pictures of two men and somehow invent a story to go with it. Apparently two men cannot hang out together...and should never be photographed too close together.

Here is another example of how this works. These two guys also had to deny they were gay lovers. (Denying it automatically means you are gay to some people as well)

http://www.insidesocal.com/outinhollywood/matthew_mcconaughey.jpg
http://ccn1.net/POTD6/texas-longhorns-national-champions/lance-armstro ng-matthew-mcconaughey.jpg
http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/files/matthew-and-lance.jpg
http://www.flixya.com/files-photo/s/m/a/smartx1766970.jpg
http://spike.mtvnimages.com/images/import/blog//7/8/2/4/782422/201101/ 1296515868961.jpg
http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jj1/2006/08/matthew_mcconaughey_shirtless /matthew-mcconaughey-shirtless-21.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRGlVKhzX9yJGEvTv7kVMJocBKYwgN Eq0U0u5aG5dSdYQa_gmsA_-yU5svC

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Maybe they were 'besties'...

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Didn't he also live w/ Noel Coward? And another guy besides Scott?

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I'm sorry, but two men sharing a house together is not proof of any homosexuality.


I always think the same thing when I read things like this. It makes no sense to me why it would strike people this way.

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Well, I'm reading Charles Higham's book on Grant - which seems a hack-job to me. He's VERY sure that Cary Grant was a bisexual secret service child slave. I'm quite sure not ALL of that is true...

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I got this for Christmas from a friend. I'm only reading around in certain spots because asking me to read a book is like pulling teeth, but I have a hard time believing a lot of what I have read. I don't think this is the best book on CG that is out there...

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Well stated!

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I do wear some eyeliner and fingernail polish when I play. The girls don't mind a bit. []


It's totally off topic but I just want to confirm that. I love men wearing eyeliner. There's nothing wrong with it and I even find it attractive. But then, I grew up listening to The Cure and Depeche Mode

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It's totally off topic but I just want to confirm that. I love men wearing eyeliner. There's nothing wrong with it and I even find it attractive. But then, I grew up listening to The Cure and Depeche Mode

*high five* (I realize goth kids never high five...but still...)

Even more off topic...my girlfriend is fairly goth and from Denver...she sometimes talks EXACTLY like the goth kids from South Park. (almost as a joke)

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And I'm not a goth
Opps!


As to men living together, that really doesn't prove anything. I live with a friend of the opposite sex and we're most certainly not lovers.

I've had quite a few male roommates as well. My brother even lives with me now! I would be so "gay" to the people who label Grant in that fashion. All the "signs" are there after all...it must be true!

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Why couldn't he have enjoyed snails and oysters?

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Why would two men in Hollywood of the 1930s openly share a house together if they had something to hide?

Maybe those photos are meant to be tongue in cheek.

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Exactly...

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Let's face it everyone, we probably will never know whether he liked snails, snails and oysters, or just oysters!
Bottom line for me is that he was a comic genius, an under-rated dramatic actor, who left a legacy of some incredible movies that people have enjoyed for decades and probably will continue to love for decades to come, added to which he seems to have tried his best to be a decent human being and a good father. I reckon that's all that counts in the end, and I hope he enjoyed whatever it was that he enjoyed!

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I couldn't agree more!!

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Leafawn wrote;

Let's face it everyone, we probably will never know whether he liked snails, snails and oysters, or just oysters!
Bottom line for me is that he was a comic genius, an under-rated dramatic actor, who left a legacy of some incredible movies that people have enjoyed for decades and probably will continue to love for decades to come, added to which he seems to have tried his best to be a decent human being and a good father. I reckon that's all that counts in the end, and I hope he enjoyed whatever it was that he enjoyed!

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Exactly! That's what I've been saying for years, but no one gets it. These people don't seem to be able to read and comprehend, and instead lash out with some nonsense about homophobia.

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It's funny I just read Scotty Bowers book. In it his claims Grant and Scott were definately lovers. Then he goes onto describe that they never had sex with each other in the "sessions" he supposedly had with them. And actually said "gay penetrative sex was absolutely out of the question with them", and niether one would ever allow that to occur in their sex lives.

So basically he says they were definately gay lovers, but that they wouldn't ever actually do the specific physical act that defines people as gay.

Bowers' account just re-enforced what I've thought for a while.

Cary and Randolph had a relationship that people didn't understand. Cary desperately needed a father figure, after being abandoned by his own. Scott needed a psuedo-family, because he was estranged from his. Their bond was very deep and intimate in the emotional sense. But there's been zero evidence from first hand sources it was a sexual or lovers-type of situation.

No one who's ever claimed they were a gay couple- Cukor, Laurents, etc.,- and now Bowers- has said they actually ever saw them being physical with each other.

An "odd" relationship, coupled with rumors that each man were gay men planted by rival studios and gossips columnists. And furthered along by other jealous stars, rejected lovers (ie Lombard, Dietrich) and the gay community in Hollywood- over time is was assumed to be truth.

And additionally, it always struck me as odd that if Cary were gay why would his only lover had been Randolph Scott? Wouldn't there be additional men he would be involved with over his entire life?

Most of the actors we now know were gay, have several gay relationships that have since been confirmed. Like Rock Hudson.

And it would be even more odd considering how many women we know Cary for sure was involved with. There's possibly Mae West from his days in NY in the 20's, his wives, 2 women he was engaged to- Mary Brian and Phyllis Brooks , another one Maureen Donaldson who he had a long term domestic partnership with in the 70s, numerous women he dated like Sophia Loren, numerous ones he simply bedded like Ginger Rogers (Grant told this himself to Peter Bogdonovich), and not to mention he was sued for paternity by a high-class escort around 1970.

I'd be hard pressed to believe a truly gay guy would have such a long history of confirmed sexual relationships with women.

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His relationship with Randolph looks like it has a "Brokeback Mountain" feeling!

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judging from yo 111c ur obvious extensive knowledge of the two, you've finally convinced me!

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You replied to me, but I think you refer to someone else! Click the reply button to the one you want to reply to!

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no I meant you. it's called sarcasm.

His name is RANDOLPH.

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One question that no one has really explained.

Why is it that Grant can be linked [i.e. living with] with Randolph Scott, but no other man? All these years and no other "evidence" has come to light, what is the deal with that? The rumors of Grant's sexuality is based merely on this aspect. I ask, is that enough?

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i do believe mr. grant was straight...it is possible he could have been bisexual...but gay....no. with regards to the living arrangement that's all it was...just a living arrangement. what if mr. grant was living with a straight guy? would people just assume he was gay then or are they assuming it because of mr. scott? to be honest it's been said that mr. grant didn't mind the speculation at all because it made him laugh. he didn't care what they said because he was secure in his sexuality and he didn't feel the need to defen 111c d himself. his daughter has said that a few times in interviews when questioned with her father's sexuality.

take me for example...i live in a small city and had a job where i was allowed to wear jeans if i wanted to. well one person i worked for assumed just because i wore jeans and t shirts and that i wasn't married yet and didn't have kids...well i must be a lesbian. she began to tell quite a few people that i was a lesbian though i never confirmed or denied it because frankly it's not their business and i never felt the need to stoop to their level because people will think what they want to think. i ended up losing a job over her comments.

so yeah i probably do understand how he felt a bit by going through that and the people that actually knew me...knew the truth and i know the truth so in the end that's all the matters. i will say this though...i think not confirming or denying her comments just spurned her on even more and it gave me a chuckle even though it cost me a job. in show business you have to have a thick skin and a sense of humor otherwise you'll never survive. ;)

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appalonia said:

"I do believe mr. grant was straight...it is possible he could have been bisexual...but gay...no."

Although, ultimately I think his film legacy is the most important thing here, I am inclined to agree with you. I don't think he was entirely gay.

I think you're right that he seemed to have been pretty secure in himself and his sexuality. He was willingin life to be a maverick and go against the grain, for example he broke with the studio system to go freelance before anyone else, and he stood by his friend Ingrid Bergman when she left her family when no-one else in Hollywood was prepared to support her publicly. So I simply can't believe that that kind of individualistic type of person would marry, not just once, but FIVE times for 'cover' (including one very near the end of his career and one long after he'd retired and needed to protect his career). Added to which he seems to have been engaged or serious relationships with women a further 4 times (e.g. Phyllis Brooks, Maureen Donaldson, and of course Sophia Loren). I can't see a purely homosexual man bothering, it doesn't add up.

I also agree that rumours start very easily in this world. Living together is no proof of sexuality. I have totally straight male friends 5b4 who've shared a house for many years and then lived nearby each (when one got engaged), not because they couldn't stand to be apart, but because like all humans they just liked the neighbourhood and it was a convenient commute.

BUT Grant does seem to have had an unusually large number of gay male friends and housemates, which though not proof, might reasonably suggest he was bisexual or at least liked to experiment. I suppose it's possible he was just incredibly open-minded, but it seems a little unlikely.

Either way, he was a great actor and an inspiring man. Thanks Cary, I hope you had fun.

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BUT Grant does seem to have had an unusually large number of gay male friends and housemates, which though not proof, might reasonably suggest he was bisexual or at least liked to experiment. I suppose it's possible he was just incredibly open-minded, but it seems a little unlikely.

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This is the only thing I disagree with in that post. Cary was well liked and had a lot of friends, so it's only natural [and remember he did live in Hollywood] that he would have gay friends. That comes from being a nice guy and having an open mind. I don't recall that he had an "unusually large number of gay friends", but I wouldn't read anything into it. The only thing I can say is what I said above; he had a lot of friends and worked in show business.

Anything is possible of course
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