Monster : Hardly a Monster….

Hardly a Monster….

She seemed to only kill *beep* who treat women like *beep* and pay for the use of their bodies. Except for that one guy who she regretted killing, who had a disabled wife. I'd say more of a vigilante. Shame she got the death penalty should of just been given therapy. Think of all the women she saved from those scum *beep* Just my thoughts. Peace

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what about the man that tried to help her? he begged for his life & she killed him anyway. he sounded so pitiful when he said "my daughter's having a baby."

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Yeah I agree. I think it's sad she killed anyone. No one deserves to be killed. All I'm saying is she is hardly a monster and had metal health problems in part probably brought on by the men that used her for sex which is a inhumane crime in itself.

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I could never imagine people making these lame ass excuses for serial killers when they are men, and rightfully so.

Mental health problems or not, you kill people you're a monster. (This is coming from someone with mental health problems.)

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Maybe I am being a bit harsh. I don't know these men that were killed or her. It's sad they were killed but it's also sad what they did to her. Of course I don't think she should have done what she did and there is no excuse. But I don't believe she is a monster

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In real life her last victim's body was found near nude so it does not quite match up with the genuinely altruistic last victim as portrayed in the film unless perhaps she demanded he strip prior to his execution. Also since Aileen was the only witness it's kinda of hard to imagine her making the last murder appear so heinous. Who else is to tell about it except maybe a Hollywood screenwriter? Though I really don't know would guess the last victim was like all the others, one who desired cheap sex with a street prostitute not some doting soon to be grandfather trying to help out a girl in need.



He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.

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You do understand that the title ("Monster") is not about Aileen, right?

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The title has a double meaning, so the OP is right with the description of Aileen more or less being a Monster in terms of being desperate and willing to do anything to keep Selby/Tyria around because she loved her and was afraid to be alone because she was a lonely woman with so much yearning.

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I thought the movie title was inspired by Charlize Theron without makeup..

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This isn't Charlize without makeup. According to sources, it took about 3 hours every day to get her to look like that.

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haha, that's pretty funny. I'm actually surprised that anyone would pay to have sex with that ugly pos. I don't pay for sex but if I did I'd spend a little extra on an attractive woman rather than street scum.

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I'm a liberal and I don't agree with the OP. It's not a liberal/conservative issue it's an exploitation issue. Men exploit women and women exploit men when it comes to prostitution. Although many prostitutes have been sexually assaulted as children or young adults at one time by men whether the victim is a male or a female. There is little doubt that theses sexual assaults can, and often do have long term psychological effects like substance abuse and/or low self esteem coupled with a loss of innocence. These factors can contribute to a person becoming a sex worker, or a person with a general mistrust or even hatred of the opposite sex and in Eileen Wuornos' case this was most likely a contributing factor (along with monetary gain) in why she killed men exclusively. Eileen.Wuornos killed many men so she seemed to devalue them just as a male serial killer would but i do believe she did it mostly for financial gain and she almost certainly enjoyed the power over her male victims as a way of getting revenge for the abuse she had sustained earlier in her life. It does not excuse her for her actions but would she have turned out this way without the abuse sustained by men over the course of her life. That's up to you to decide.

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Hardly a monster? Are you kidding?? Oh I see, except for that one time ...
Yeah see that one time is quite enough to put her into the monster category. What about the 2nd victim? Oh forget it - your a moron and will always be broke.

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your a moron


Wow...

When you're 17 a cow can seem dangerous and forbidden...am I alone here?

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She seemed to only kill *beep* who treat women like *beep* and pay for the use of their bodies.
Ha! I am very liberal leaning and I find this stupidity rather unsupportable.
a. Prostitution does NOT equal "men treating women badly".
b. If she deserves therapy INSTEAD of the death penalty for her killer mindset (which I might be inclined to agree with)...why do the men deserve death? Because they are men and she is a poor innocent woman?


would guess the last victim was like all the others, one who desired cheap sex with a street prostitute not some doting soon to be grandfather trying to help out a girl in need.
Oh for Christ's sake! He was both! When people can get over the concept that the desire for sex is somehow some bizarre manifestation that is totally separate from normal human behavior maybe America will grow into a mature nation. WE can't even talk about it. Like this guy is supposed to stop wanting sexual contact in his life!



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For sure some people are as bad and degradated as shown in the movie. But cmon, it's not that bad.

What I lied on this movie is how they tried to show both sides. The guy that triggered it all is really bad, and also they show good people there.

Selby rightly say that it was just 1 man, and Leen was blaming everybody for the acts of a few.

It's not all prostitutes who are treated that way, and it's not all people treated that was that become murderers. You're just judging people you don't even know, much less know how they deserve their life.

Leen of course suffered at lot. In her childhood, adulthood, from many people she met, from Selby who accused her to get free. Filmmakers just saw that it was useless to make a movie blaming her, showing how horrible her crimes were and teaching children to not to the same. They decided to show her life, her suffering, and how she got lost in life to become a murderer.

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A monster is exactly what she was. Women CHOOSE to sell their bodies, like men sell theirs. Don't use your displaced aggression towards men to condone her actions. You're giving the wrong impression to people. Unless, you're not serious with this thread.

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A monster is exactly what she was. Women CHOOSE to sell their bodies, like men sell theirs.

A lot of people (I think you are included InherentlyYours, you`ll tell me) like to generalize other people and their situations, based on their assumptions and not actual facts. When we talk about people who kill, for example, many put soldiers and criminals in the same bag, and even trhow in serial killers, because "there`s no excuse for killing".

Likewise, when we talk about prostitution, the reality of things is a lot more complex than "women choose to sell their bodies" It really caught my eye you put "choose" in all caps, like that´s the most important or truer word of the statement, when it`s the faultiest. You should know by now that many women worldwide do no choose to sell themselves, but are induced and sold into prostitution rings. That is a well known world fact you`re choosing to ignore for some reason. And it happens in the US as well as it happens in the arab world or eastern europe.
Another case of women not choosing is when they are groomed for and then used as child prostitutes. Also when they are coherced by people close to them to sell their bodies, with a BF or caretaker in the role of the pimp. And then there´s cases more similar to the one in the movie, when people have been abused and molested, deforming and perverting their sexualities. Plus, when you have no home or support of any kind as a child, is really not your fault to fall into prostituion, drugs, crime, etc.

By placing the responsibility solely on the person commiting the crime, in this case the prostitute, without giving a second thought about the circumstances, you are giving a free pass to those other criminals. People can be both victim and perpetrator of crimes, the world is not black and white.

Aillen Wuornos did terrible things and it is right she payed for them, but the crimes commited against her went unpunished. And who answers for that?

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Aillen Wuornos was not a 3rd-world woman sold into prostitution, so that is irrelevant in this case (though I see the comarison you're trying to make), as you already know. Most women in Wuornos' place did not become serial killers. She chose to sell her body, like countless other women choose to sell their bodies for a myriad of reasons (some, because they are plain lazy) but do not victimize nor murder men in cold blood. Other emotionally-damaged women in her place would rather live on the street before prostituting themselves or enter the porn business (at least that's more honorable than murder)

Nobody answers for the crimes that were committed against her, nor all the other permanently scarred men and women who were raped/abused in childhood, since it's not some perfect world. If Bundy, Dahmer, Polanski or Marc Salling were raped/abused in childhood, it wouldn't even be considered and brought into question because they are men. My parents are certainly not being "punished" for the sh_it they caused me.

In addition, Wuornos did not admit herself to a mental-hospital to prevent herself from doing harm to others, since that would be inconvenient. (and she knew what a hospital was). She should had killed herself, not innocent men who she agreed to enter into consensual-sex with. Now, you can stick your pointless comments where they belong, since you're being disgraceful. And what's that imdb catch phase: an "apologist".



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What Wuronos had that was against her, was a very low IQ and the inability to understand refined social mores and etiquette. Something she wasn't taught and something she needed to guide her into her adult life. Most of us—regardless of whatever abuses occurred—would have still been conditioned how to conduct ourselves around others and were shown some form of love and caring that appears to have evaded Aileen pronto. This is the key. She would have been one tough cookie to reach; but in spite of whatever grievances we may have, I wouldn't want to have experienced life in Aileen's shoes.

I don't want to sound like I am making excuses for her and she would have been a very frightening woman; but what she was, is a byproduct of an extremely dysfunctional upbringing and a simple-minded and ignorant society that didn't care.

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Knowing and understanding more about the criminals and monsters doesn`t make you an acomplice, and what you missunderstood as apologetic was simply an explanation that your very black-and-white statement it´s not true, and not all women "choose" to sell their bodies. Although with this response you`re at least backing up a bit, which is good. You read it as an excuse for Wuornos`s crimes, when I barely mentioned her, and I must underline that when I did I said she should pay, she is a criminal. I recommend you give it another go. Slowly and calmed this time.

From your dismissive tone I see it`s going to be hard for you to understand the point I`m trying to make. Another useful POV was given to you by rascal67 but you`ll probably ignore that too, since people who don`t want to see beyond what they`ve been taught or what they believe are hard to move, specially when they believe they`re in a high and mighty position (you`re not). Maybe you were raised very religious, maybe you`ve been a John more than your fair share of times and simpathize more with the victims of Wuornos, I don`t know. For whatever reason you seem adamant in seeing only one part of the story, and ignoring the other one.

However, if you`re going to be ignorant it won`t be for lack of information. One crucial part of my comment you chose not to adress was that it`s not only in 3rd world countries that women are sold into slavery. Here`s a little nugget of forced prostitution in the land of the free http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2056-5-things-you-learn-as-sex-trafficking-victim-in-usa.html. "But Wuornos was not..." I KNOW I know, I`m just saying it happens. Not all women who sell their bodies choose to do so.

My response was not about her, it was about women in prostitution and how your childhood, or lack thereof, ripples throughout your life. I can see what Wuornos was, but apparently you can`t see how she got there. I repeat, understanding is not condoning. I think rascal67 said it best

I don't want to sound like I am making excuses for her and she would have been a very frightening woman; but what she was, is a byproduct of an extremely dysfunctional upbringing and a simple-minded and ignorant society that didn't care.
You said your parents did some "s_hit" to you. I don`t believe you`re guilty of what they did as I don`t believe she is guilty of the hell she went throught and that there was no one for her in the beginning. I hope that at least that you can understand.

I wanted to end this in the last paragraph but I can just see you start tipying again about how others have it as bad and didn`t kill, and she didn´t want help etc., etc. Yes, I know, I can see that and I do not support her. You can both understand what women like her go through and see she was a criminal and deserved punishment.

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The title "Monster" is meant ironically and refers to a Frankenstein's monster which was created and abandoned by a man and became a murderous monster but a sympathetic one because of his circumstances. Like Frankenstein's monster, Aileen was created by a society, abused by society and then abandoned by society and this lead her to being a monster. The whole point of the movie is despite the fact she does monstrous things and is unpleasant, she earns a lot of sympathy form the audience.

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Are you not aware of the irony that may be lurking in the title?







'Then' and 'than' are different words - stop confusing them.

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Yes she is. She is a perversion of feminine love and sexuality. She is also taking advantage of the johns, who are obviously all men who can't get sex any other way (unless they are married). They are sinners. That's not to say that they are innocent, but they are hardly worthy of being murdered. Aileen new what she was doing was wrong, that is why she lied to herself about their intention to rape her. It was a way to dehumanize them so that she could murder and steal from them.

Other than the feminine end, I think that her story is similar to that of every bandit, mugger, dacoit, bank robber, and highwayman in the world. They all have to say something ridiculous to themselves in order to justify what they do.

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She is a perversion of feminine love and sexuality. She is also taking advantage of the johns, who are obviously all men who can't get sex any other way (unless they are married). They are sinners. That
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Why was she a perversion of feminine love and sexuality? Being female doesn't naturally give one a "special" corner of the market for being so extra caring and nurturing. Some females are just "naturally" ugly and vile, and many are even worse than men. How dare she drag down the female gender and make it look bad. Many women make themselves look bad enough, without Wuronos to do it for them. Your comment is what is perverted and these men were not "sinners", so go and bash your religious doctrines elsewhere.

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watch the documentary "aileen: the life and death of a serial killer" i believe it's still on Netflix a of 7/2016
she admits all her murders were preplanned and there was no self defense in all 7 killings.
no one deserves to die in this manner. i think it's safe to call her a monster regardless of her mental health issues. she also said she also said she would keep killing if she could get away with it. that says it all.

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She seemed to only kill *beep* who treat women like *beep* and pay for the use of their bodies...I'd say more of a vigilante...Think of all the women she saved from those scum *beep* Just my thoughts. Peace
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It was unfortunate that these men happened to cross paths with Wuronos; but how dare you malign these men and make out they are monsters, when they were the ones that were murdered. I bet you have used men all your life to get what you want and think that they owe you something. Your username should be freeloader. And what is with the phony and hypocritical "peace" thing at the end of your post. You don't sound like someone that could be trusted because of your vile and nasty personality!

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Feminist logic in action, folks

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So, she only killed men who treated her bad? You don't suppose, the people who made this flick possibly exaggerated a bit? Just because it was in a movie doesn't mean it really happened that way. Damn.

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She definitely wasn't a 'monster'. I think the title is referring more to the ferris wheel ride... As well as being slightly ironic (maybe a reflection of the media's depiction of her).

She was a murderer and a serial killer, yes, but I wouldn't consider her a 'monster'. It's very easy to sympathise with her considering her absolutely awful life. She needed rehabilitation and help with her mental health - not a lethal injection.

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Umm no she also killed people that just gave her a ride. She deserved death.
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