Highlander : A Frenchman to play a Scot, a Scot to play a Spaniard

A Frenchman to play a Scot, a Scot to play a Spaniard

. . . and an American to play a Russian.

Yeah, great casting choices. "I've lived all over" doesn't quite explain it.




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So you are saying actors are only ever allowed to play characters that are born in the countries the actor themselves are from?

Bit of an inane point is it not?

Actors have been playing various races and nationalities since acting began.
It's certainly not synonymous with this film.

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No, I am saying that actors are only allowed to play characters from countries where the actor themselves CAN DO THE ACCENT.

Bit of an obvious point, is it not?




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No, not really.
Your point is dependent on the film's plot and the characters in that film.

In terms of this film, the fact they have lived for centuries all over the world. The accents would not make "sense".

Just cos Ramirez was Spanish, does not mean he lived in Spain all his life. So he does not HAVE to hold a Spanish accent.
How old was Ramirez, 2000 years old?
OK so he is born in Spain and is Spanish by definition. However as a young man, he travelled and settled in Scotland. It quieter, not as populated and lived a quiet life moving around Scotland living until he became "older"…then suddenly one day just stopped ageing. Trying to come to terms with why he is living so long. He lived there for a 1000 years before going to Japan and falling in love, lost his love and moved back to Scotland his now "adopted" country. Stayed there for another 900 years before starting to "feel" other immortals. So began a journey that took him around the globe searching for meaning and reason as to who/what he really is. A journey which eventually lead him back to his "homeland" of Scotland and Conner and where he would eventually die.
So while he was Spanish by definition, he spent most of his life in Scotland and picked up the accent.

Now I'm not posting that as "fact" and just throwing in random numbers as an example. Just to highlight that just as one is born in a country and from that country…does not mean they are ONLY from that country and that is it possible to change and adapt an accent.

Conner's Scottish accent at the start my not have been 100% fully accurate…but it was good enough to portray he was Scottish. After that, it's understandable he would loose the accent…like Ramirez.

From my own personal perspective.
I was moved away from the country I was born when I was young. My accent sounds NOTHING like my birth country. I'm only 37, not centuries old.
People's accent's alter, change and even disappear over time. Multiply that for centuries and it makes sense that accents don't make sense within this film.

Cop: You talk funny Nash, where you from?"
Nash: "Lots of different places."

The explanation is in the film.
You can chose not to "believe" or like it…but it is there.

It would make much less sense that Conner kept his accent over him keeping it.

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Ramirez was Egyptian.

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Everything you're saying is fine, except Connor's accent while he's still in Scotland is far from passable! Sometimes he gets one or a few words right, but most of the time it does NOT sound like proper Scottish.

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Connor's Scottish accent at the start may have not been 100% fully accurate… but it was good enough to portray he was Scottish


This is a joke, right? All you can hear is a French Accent.


After all it's understandable he would loose the accent


He NEVER sounded Scottish.

He sounded French in his highland days and French in modern day.

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No, I am saying that actors are only allowed to play characters from countries where the actor themselves CAN DO THE ACCENT.

Bit of an obvious point, is it not?

So in your mind the entire cast of Dr. Zhivago should have been speaking with Russian accents? And the casts of Aladdin and The Thief of Baghdad with Persian accents? And the casts of The Hunchback of Notre Dame and The Three Musketeers etc. with French accents?

Plus, of course, Claude Rains should never have been allowed near the roles he played in Casablanca and Notorious. And Alec Guinness and Anthony Quinn shouldn't have been in Lawrence of Arabia. No Simone Simon in the original version of Cat People either.

I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.

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Great, because obviously, it wasn't for sale.




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Re: A Frenchman to play a Scot, a Scot to play a Spaniard

It's called "acting".

You know, Marlon Brando wasn't really a Mafia Don…or even Italian for that matter.

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It's called lack of acting, because the accents for what they were supposed to be were the worst I've ever heard.

And you're trying to tell me that Godfather wasn't a documentary? Where do you get off?

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It's called lack of acting, because the accents for what they were supposed to be were the worst I've ever heard


Agreed.


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its all part of the films charm.

Personally i think the casting is absolutely perfect.


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Oh, hell yeah! Love that movie. They used to play it a lot on local TV. Although it was only when I was much older when I realized you'd never see an entire platoon of soldiers in WWII who were all in their 30s and 40s. But eh, it's still a great movie.




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He's not SPANISH he's EGYPTIAN. You have the manners of a goat you smell like a dung heap and you have no idea of your potential!

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Plus, English wouldn't have been his first language. Maybe he learned it while he was in Scotland, hence the accent.

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Nitpicking/joking aside.
While Conner's "Scottish" accent may not be 100% accurate, it's "Scottish" enough to pass off as being Scottish.
I never once heard the accent and thought: *Where is he supposed to be from, Australia?".
I got he was playing a Scottish character. 100% flawless? No, but still Scottish.

It IS explained in the film why the accents do not make "sense"…

Cop: You talk funny Nash, where you from?"
Nash: "Lots of different places."

The film itself does address it.

Works for me.

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They also gave some credence to Macleod having Lambert's French accent in the modern scenes. Some of Macleod's older aliases on the lease to his house were French names. Since he took the guise of a Frenchman, he probably also spoke the language, and may even have had another home there.

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Good point, Tenantennae.

For someone who didn't even really speak English, Lambert did a very good job. It was difficult enough to act in a language he barely knew but on top of that, he had to attempt to emulate a particular accent. Can't be easy.

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Well, like others have said before, Ramirez is actually an Egyptian, not a Spaniard. Similarly, Kurgan is not actually Russian, he is member of the Kurgan tribe, who are believed to be the ancestors of all of the Indo-European nations. They existed from about 4000 to 2000 years BC. They were just located on Russian territory, that's all.

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I used to know natives of the Dominican Republic. They speak Spanish, but there's a lot of Germans who live there too.

The DR people I knew where taught English by Germans, so when they spoke English it was with a German/Spanish accent. It was bizarre.

I would imagine if you lived for hundreds of years and in many different countries you would no longer sound like you original country.

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You forgot the Canadian actor playing the American survivalist.

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Re: A Frenchman to play a Scot, a Scot to play a Spaniard

It's also worth pointing out that Connor, being from the Highlands, probably wouldn't have a lowlands, Scots type accent unless he learned English in the Lowlands and tried to emulate their accent (depending on when he learned English). His native language would be Scottish Gaelic, which doesn't sound like what we think of as a Scottish accent which is derived from the merger of Scots and English.

We did a day tour in the Highlands and our tour guide's native language was Scottish Gaelic and his English accent wasn't as easy to place as someone from Edinburgh or Glasgow. It was clearly European, and some words sounded Scottish, but not all of them. In fact, he admitted that he has difficulty understanding someone with a heavier Glasgow accent just like an American would.

Granted, our guide's accent didn't sound nearly as French as Lambert's accent, but who's to say Connor didn't learn English in someplace like France or Belgium and try to emulate their accent?

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I love this movie, but all of you saying the accents aren't completely terrible have got to be kidding. It's pretty distracting to have Sean Connery saying things like Wots Haggish in a full blown Scottish accent. Lambert's accent is strange and nothing resembling a native English speakers accent throughout the film.

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Lambert's accent is strange and nothing resembling a native English speakers accent throughout the film.
To be fair, as I stated earlier, Connor wouldn't be a native English speaker. His native language probably would have been Gaelic.

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Connor wouldn't be a native English speaker. His native language probably would have been Gaelic.


Yes, indeed. We have to remember that there's a translation convention in place in the Scotland flashbacks; modern English didn't even exist back in Connor's day.

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Yes, indeed. We have to remember that there's a translation convention in place in the Scotland flashbacks; modern English didn't even exist back in Connor's day.
An interesting byproduct of that is that Ramirez would have had to learn Scottish Gaelic just to be able to talk to Connor and tell him about being immortal. I doubt it would have been super useful otherwise.

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This part of the film makes me laugh out loud every single time. It's so ridiculous that you can't help but laugh. Wots haggish, indeed!

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As a scot myself it is hilarious to hear one of the most famous scots Sean Connery asking "haggis, what is haggis?" Lol

i suppose for US audiences Connors accent is fine but I can tell you it is far from Scottish but on the other hand I couldn't tell an American accent from a Canadian accent
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