The View : Whoopi and abortion

Whoopi always says that nobody wants to have an abortion and that it is a really hard decision. If abortion is okay in her eyes, then why would it be a hard decision? The answer is that she know it's wrong to kill unborn children. Pro choice people always go to the rape scenario as a defense to their argument yet it represents about 1% of abortions. Another 1% is to save the life of the mother. The remaining 98% are for convenience. Abortion is wrong and deep down, everyone knows that to be true.

Her argument is always ridiculous. What she's really saying is certain people didn't mean to get pregnant!
Hey, it happens even to the most careful. But it's not the baby's fault you put yourself in that situation.

WOW Hateres are gonna hate. Bottom line "If you don't believe in abortion then don't have one". Don't impose your choice on your neighbor.

But can you legitimately refute what I said?

I can because you're assumption of people's feelings/motives are no more accurate than Whoopi's. There are few women I've encountered that have made that choice that said it was an easy one. Even when I was working in the WTW environment and working with young women, it was not an easy choice for any of those young women to make. Yet, some did it because they knew there were few other options out there for them.

Personally, I don't understand the desire to protect an embryo when that desire seems to fade once the child is born. Why force someone to have a baby they cannot afford, only to get angry when those women and children end up on welfare? Why put someone in a position to need assistance, and then get angry when the request that assistance? It makes no sense.

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Personally, I don't understand the desire to protect an embryo when that desire seems to fade once the child is born. Why force someone to have a baby they cannot afford, only to get angry when those women and children end up on welfare? Why put someone in a position to need assistance, and then get angry when the request that assistance? It makes no sense.

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Well what would make sense to me then is that she should keep her legs closed because there is always the risk of getting pregnant.

An embryo? You mean a child, a human life. No one said that the woman has to care for that baby. There is always adoption.

Why is abortion the first go-to?

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Well what would make sense to me then is that she should keep her legs closed because there is always the risk of getting pregnant.

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So, you're one of those people that feel it's okay to punish a girl for having sex but not do more to hold the guys accountable? Why is it always the girl's/woman's fault? Where is the accountability for the boy/man? I have long said it's more about punishing women and young women for having the nerve to enjoy sex than having any real care for the person OR child.

An embryo is NOT a child. You are scientifically incorrect, AND that is all based in belief not FACT.

Do you even know the statistics behind how many babies get left in the system and are not adopted? People who advocate for adoption should actually be ADOPTING these kids instead of preaching about it. Abortion is rarely the first option, but in many cases it is what the mother feel is best. That is not and should not be up to you.

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So, you're one of those people that feel it's okay to punish a girl for having sex but not do more to hold the guys accountable? Why is it always the girl's/woman's fault? Where is the accountability for the boy/man? I have long said it's more about punishing women and young women for having the nerve to enjoy sex than having any real care for the person OR child.

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Not at all! The guys are just as accountable as the girls are.
I also believe that unmarried people shouldn't even be having sex - period. It was designed by God between a married man and woman so yes, unmarried people do have a lot of nerve to play with fire.
The one getting punished is the child. The child didn't ask for any of it.
Again, it all goes back to sin.

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An embryo is NOT a child. You are scientifically incorrect, AND that is all based in belief not FACT.

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God knew us in our mothers womb. It IS a child. The result is always the same. It is a baby 100% of the time.
When women miscarry do you ever hear them say "I lost an embryo or fetus?" No, they say "I lost my baby!"
If you test positive for a pregnancy, you are in fact pregnant with a human baby. That is a fact.
But I would like to hear from you what you think an embryo is. And when do you think it magically becomes a baby?

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Do you even know the statistics behind how many babies get left in the system and are not adopted? People who advocate for adoption should actually be ADOPTING these kids instead of preaching about it. Abortion is rarely the first option, but in many cases it is what the mother feel is best. That is not and should not be up to you.

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So killing them is better?
How about advocating for abstinence? I think that is a much better solution to begin with.
In my situation, I can't adopt. But you seem to think you know me.
This doesn't mean I can't speak for the unborn. I do know people, who feel like I do have adopted children. God Bless them for doing that. I also know people who wanted to adopt but the mother changed her mind.
I feel passionate about abortion and even though I know ultimately I personally can't decide for any woman, I see no harm in discussing it.

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I also believe that unmarried people shouldn't even be having sex - period.

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Ergo, you're a virgin. THAT EXPAINS IT!!!

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Ergo, you're a virgin. THAT EXPAINS IT!!!

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What are you talking about? I have been married for decades and I have children!

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decades

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Decades? I stand corrected! That will explain your closed-mindedness. You're from an era long gone. Now I understand you better.

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You're from an era long gone.

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Judgmental much? you live in the armpit of the country and we arent being rude and mocking you about something you control. Grow up

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Judgmental much? you live in the armpit of the country and we arent being rude and mocking you about something you control. Grow up

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Shut up. I'm not the one who is being judgemental.

Focusedgirl, you are in complete denial. You need a swift kick in the pants. Your behaviour is horrific and wildly immature.

I'm middle aged. So what? I was raised with morals and values. I felt the same way about abortion when I was in high school.
My opinion still stands, only strengthened.
I'm going to guess you are young but just from reading your posts, my youngest teenager is more mature than you.

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I'm middle aged. So what? I was raised with morals and values. I felt the same way about abortion when I was in high school.
My opinion still stands, only strengthened.
I'm going to guess you are young but just from reading your posts, my youngest teenager is more mature than you.

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I'm going to ignore the sockpuppets who replied for you.

Anyway, I'm a grown woman with 3 kids of my own. I think you're very closed minded. I'm being point blank. If that offends you, it's not on me.

It's completely on you. Your immaturity is beyond ridiculous. You need to stop and take a breath. You are completely out of control with your comments. Think before you respond.

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Your immaturity is beyond ridiculous. You need to stop and take a breath. You are completely out of control with your comments. Think before you respond.

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Talk about not adding anything to a conversation. What you need to do is mind your business and not worry about what I'm saying to another poster. If Kittensandpuppies has a problem with it, I'm sure she is grown enough to tell me, but thanks for the input. Bye!

I tried. Bye.

I am curious,

What about Kitten's response that she believes no sex before marriage would help in the issue of abortions is close minded? If the stats stated on this thread are accurate then that would take care of most of the abortions that were not associated with rape (1%) and for the benefit of the mother's health (1%)

To me it sounds like a plausible solution.

There would still also be those cases of married people who wish to abort. So that would have to be added to the 2%, but I doubt that number would be very high.

Not to mention the other diseases that would practically be eliminated.

Do you have a better option that wouldn't result in the murder of a life that did not ask to be created?

Opinions are like armpits: Most everyone has two and they usually stink. But have a great day!!!!!

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Stay tuned to your news networks.

Live Action did an investigation on PP claims they provide prenatal care. 97 called, 92 said they do not provide those services, only abortion. Their sonograms are only to see if a fetus is still eligible for abortion. of the 5 that didnt 2 referred them elsewhere, and 2 said they had no openings.


PP provides 1/3 of Americas abortions, with 500 million in taxpayer dollars. They disguise it as woemns health services, but lets face it, it is Abortion Inc. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Exactly.

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Live Action did an investigation on PP claims they provide prenatal care. 97 called, 92 said they do not provide those services, only abortion. Their sonograms are only to see if a fetus is still eligible for abortion. of the 5 that didnt 2 referred them elsewhere, and 2 said they had no openings.

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I heard this on my local radio this afternoon driving home from work. They were playing clips of the investigation. It was incredible. They played clips of the recording when you call into PP, and the "services" they claim to offer. The "services" they claimed to provide included pre-natal care. Then they played a recording of a woman calling in and saying she was several months pregnant and specifically asking PP "do you provide pre-natal care", and the response was, "no, not at this time". They are a bunch of hypocrites and liars. They also played a clip of someone asking one of the PP workers what services they provide, and the guy kept fumbling and tripping over his words. He couldn't provide a direct answer.

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I am curious,

What about Kitten's response that she believes no sex before marriage would help in the issue of abortions is close minded? If the stats stated on this thread are accurate then that would take care of most of the abortions that were not associated with rape (1%) and for the benefit of the mother's health (1%)

To me it sounds like a plausible solution.

There would still also be those cases of married people who wish to abort. So that would have to be added to the 2%, but I doubt that number would be very high.

Not to mention the other diseases that would practically be eliminated.

Do you have a better option that wouldn't result in the murder of a life that did not ask to be created?

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iheartkingsandqueens, this is why I keep going back to sin.
If your mother or father told you to stay away from the stove when you were a toddler it's because they knew the harm it could cause if the flame was on. They were trying to protect you. The toddler doesn't understand it. They just see something interesting. They want to touch.
Well, it's the same with God. There's reasons He tells us what is good for us and what is not good for us. It's not to ruin our fun. It's to help us from getting burned.
And burned in other ways too, just like you mentioned. Sexual diseases!

Abstinence before marriage isn't something many people want to do. It ruins their fun. Of course sex is wonderful! God created it!

Abortion should be something that is RARELY done. 3,000 per day is way too high. People are putting themselves in a situation, backing them into a corner, causing the most extreme solution.

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I'm going to ignore the sockpuppets who replied for you.

Anyway, I'm a grown woman with 3 kids of my own. I think you're very closed minded. I'm being point blank. If that offends you, it's not on me.

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Now because you don't agree, go to the sockpuppet routine! See, immature, like I said.

You think I'm closed minded, why? Because I don't agree with you? Please, enlighten me.
Maybe you are the one closed minded because you go on attack if an opinion is the opposite of yours.
There's proof on this thread alone that I can have a conversation with anyone who has a different opinion than mine and we can talk in a civil manner.

I'm not offended by you. I feel sorry for you.

At least if you were young you'd have somewhat of an excuse or at least there'd be a reason I can understand. Now you have revealed that you are just an immature adult.
You are a mother of 3? Actually, you could still be young, I won't assume you're not. I know plenty of people who had 3+ babies before they turned 25 or 30. If that's the case, you may still have hope.

You seem to think I'm from the 1920's or something. I assure you that when I was in high school liberalism was running rampant. Plenty of people I went to school with thought nothing of abortion, premarital sex, and other activities I never involved myself in. I'm not a perfect person by any means but I have no regret in the things I avoided to stay out of trouble.
You reap what you sow.

Have a nice day.

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Now because you don't agree, go to the sockpuppet routine! See, immature, like I said.

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Calling it what it is.

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I'm not offended by you. I feel sorry for you.

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LOL!! There is absolutely no need for you to feel sorry for me. I have a husband, a job and sweet kids. At least they are to me.

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At least if you were young you'd have somewhat of an excuse or at least there'd be a reason I can understand. Now you have revealed that you are just an immature adult.
You are a mother of 3? Actually, you could still be young, I won't assume you're not. I know plenty of people who had 3+ babies before they turned 25 or 30. If that's the case, you may still have hope.

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I had my kids in my 20's. Your condescension is way over the top and it's hypocritical. I don't agree with you, so now I'm immature and young? That could not be more ridiculous.

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You seem to think I'm from the 1920's or something.

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I don't. I was being facetious.

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I assure you that when I was in high school liberalism was running rampant. Plenty of people I went to school with thought nothing of abortion, premarital sex, and other activities I never involved myself in. I'm not a perfect person by any means but I have no regret in the things I avoided to stay out of trouble.
You reap what you sow.

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This last thing you said is great. Now if you would not judge and live and live it would be perfect.

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I had my kids in my 20's. Your condescension is way over the top and it's hypocritical. I don't agree with you, so now I'm immature and young? That could not be more ridiculous.

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I won't even bother touching most of your response.
I don't get how you think I'm condescending and way over the top! In what way? How is it hypocritical?
When I said you are immature I was referring to how you always respond so defensively like a child, no matter what the conversation. You can never talk civil to another poster if you know they have opposing views.

She is immature. There is no way she is a "grown woman" as she claims to be. Even if she is technically in age, she is incredibly immature and childish the way she comes across on this board. She sounds like an immature 12 year old girl.

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She is immature. There is no way she is a "grown woman" as she claims to be. Even if she is technically in age, she is incredibly immature and childish the way she comes across on this board. She sounds like an immature 12 year old girl.

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And you come across as an assshole and a liar. So.

what did I say that comes across as an "assshole"And what have I ever said that was a lie. I have never lied on here. Or anywhere, for that matter. So go on - explain where I have ever lied. You not wanting to accept a fact does not make it a lie.

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You not wanting to accept a fact does not make it a lie.

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That post about not knowing hesterhere left and someone PM'ed you. You're a lying sack of shhhh. Enough said. Move on.

I hadn't been on the boards for over a week, dimwit. When I came back yesterday and logged back in, there was a PM from someone who said that hester had deleted her account, which they had sent me a few days prior. Then I came to the board and started a thread asking if it was true that hester had deleted her account. You know, the same thread you reported and got deleted, you little whiner. I didn't lie about anything, moron.

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I hadn't been on the boards for over a week, dimwit. When I came back yesterday and logged back in, there was a PM from someone who said that hester had deleted her account, which they had sent me a few days prior. Then I came to the board and started a thread asking if it was true that hester had deleted her account. You know, the same thread you reported and got deleted, you little whiner. I didn't lie about anything, moron.

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Yeah, right! Why would you start a whole post if "someone" PM'ed you? That person would have to be on the board to know that Hester deleted her profile. There was no need to come on the board and announce it. LIAR!!

you are truly an idiot, FocusedGirl. Never mind being an immature "grown woman". You are a complete idiot. Go on, report this post as well as you do with all the others.

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People who advocate for adoption should actually be ADOPTING these kids instead of preaching about it.

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zabbree, I know I already responded to this earlier but I just want to add something. You are complaining about people like me preaching and suggested I/those like me adopt.

Let me ask you, if I had an adopted child would that give me rights to preach about it? Or would it take multiple adoptions for me to earn that right? Actually, I don't even call it preaching. Just talking. One can listen or not. Especially on a message board. The thread has "abortion" in the title so if someone gets very riled up over people who don't believe in them, they can avoid the thread.

But let me ask you this. If someone like me is doing something in this world regarding these unwanted children or helping these young, unmarried mothers who are on their own with a child, does that count? There's more than one way to help.

I try to help where I can, when I can because I am passionate about this. No, I did not adopt but I have given money, clothes, time, etc. to organizations that I trust to actually help people in these situations.
I am not insensitive to their needs or their situation.

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People who advocate for adoption should actually be ADOPTING these kids instead of preaching about it.



zabbree, I know I already responded to this earlier but I just want to add something. You are complaining about people like me preaching and suggested I/those like me adopt.

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I was speaking in general terms, but yes, I do think most that make the put them up for adoption comment don't actually do anything to help those kids once they are in the system waiting to be adopted.

I worked in the Welfare to Work initiative for a while, and it broke my heart to see women, especially the young ones, faced with few options for taking care of their children.

Everyone on welfare is not lazy. Everyone that chooses to have premarital sex is not immoral or lacking in values. Your beliefs are your own, and you want them to be respected. So, why is it so hard to respect the beliefs of others?

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An embryo is NOT a child. You are scientifically incorrect, AND that is all based in belief not FACT.




God knew us in our mothers womb. It IS a child. The result is always the same. It is a baby 100% of the time.
When women miscarry do you ever hear them say "I lost an embryo or fetus?" No, they say "I lost my baby!"
If you test positive for a pregnancy, you are in fact pregnant with a human baby. That is a fact.
But I would like to hear from you what you think an embryo is. And when do you think it magically becomes a baby?

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Only approximately 80% of eggs survive the fertilization process. 60% of fertilized eggs don't' survive to implantation. Of those that are implanted, only around 35% make it to the fetus stage. So, almost 2/3 of all fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted by the body. If a fertilized egg survives to the fetus stage, at least 10-15% don't survive to 13 weeks. That's why the cutoff is traditionally 12 weeks from conception for a termination. Those are facts. They are not based on religious beliefs, moral values, etc. They are based on the actual development from conception to the second trimester.

Many scientists have differed on what constitutes life, and the only ones that say it starts at fertilization, implantation, etc. are the ones basing it on faith and their belief system. Many that are not religious have said that the embryo is considered a baby when the mother decides it is. A fetus has the possibility of becoming a premature baby. An embryo does not.

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I was speaking in general terms, but yes, I do think most that make the put them up for adoption comment don't actually do anything to help those kids once they are in the system waiting to be adopted.

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I can understand that but I do what I can.

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I worked in the Welfare to Work initiative for a while, and it broke my heart to see women, especially the young ones, faced with few options for taking care of their children.

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I appreciate your compassion. Is it possible though that some of them put themselves in those situations, perhaps not knowing how tough it would be?

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Everyone on welfare is not lazy. Everyone that chooses to have premarital sex is not immoral or lacking in values. Your beliefs are your own, and you want them to be respected. So, why is it so hard to respect the beliefs of others?

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Ohok, if I have personally given you that impression, I apologize. I don't think everyone that is on welfare is lazy. I do think there are some who have just gotten comfortable with it and use it but I think every case is very different. However, I think the numbers may be high who abuse it/are lazy.

I also agree that everyone that chooses to have premarital sex is not necessarily immoral or lacking in values. You may wonder how I could possibly say that based on my comments. I will try to explain but just keep in mind, my opinion is faith based.
No one is without sin. The act of premarital sex alone is sinful and immoral, but it doesn't mean that people who participate in it are bad people. It means they've sinned against God like we ALL do in one way or another. With sin though, there's a price. Premarital sex is just one way of playing with fire. If it leads to an unwanted pregnancy and that leads to an abortion, it just made matters much worse.

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Only approximately 80% of eggs survive the fertilization process. 60% of fertilized eggs don't' survive to implantation. Of those that are implanted, only around 35% make it to the fetus stage. So, almost 2/3 of all fertilized eggs are spontaneously aborted by the body. If a fertilized egg survives to the fetus stage, at least 10-15% don't survive to 13 weeks. That's why the cutoff is traditionally 12 weeks from conception for a termination. Those are facts. They are not based on religious beliefs, moral values, etc. They are based on the actual development from conception to the second trimester.

Many scientists have differed on what constitutes life, and the only ones that say it starts at fertilization, implantation, etc. are the ones basing it on faith and their belief system. Many that are not religious have said that the embryo is considered a baby when the mother decides it is. A fetus has the possibility of becoming a premature baby. An embryo does not.

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I appreciate your all of your responses to me but here, we are going to have to agree to disagree. I can understand one without faith may agree with what you said without argument however, having the faith I do, God's Word says "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.".And I believe Him.

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And look which branches of the government you now control. For all your lying and fraud and abuse and violence, you now control none of the branches of government.

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We can agree to disagree, but don't assume anyone that chooses termination is without faith or belief in God. It's not an easy choice for more than 90% of the women that make it.

I assume nothing of the sort, zabbree. I was just explaining where I'm personally coming from.

How is it hate? It's love!

Yeah, what a coherent argument. No matter how many times I have heard that one, it's still nonsense. So if you don't believe in murder, don't kill anyone, otherwise


Facts are not liberals strong suit. Rhetoric is. Thomas Sowell

And that's really the bottom line, pj. It IS murder.

Why are people so horrified when a baby is found dead in a dumpster? Why did people freak out when Casey Anthony got away with murdering her 2 year old daughter, even labeling her the most hated woman during that time? Why does it matter if it wouldn't have mattered 2 years prior (meaning if she aborted her)? The little girl is still the same person who was murdered at the hands of her mother, just not in utero.
And the argument about these babies just being a fetus is moronic. Every human fetus is born a BABY 100% of the time. If a human is pregnant, she is indeed carrying a living baby. One who can feel pain if it is torn apart from its mothers womb.
That is one horrific murder.

I will start my comment here saying I am proud choice. Not here to change anyone's mind! But wanted to say as someone who is pro choice, her argument annoys me because she always says that it's a hard choice. But is it really a hard choice for everyone? Probably not! I am sure for some woman it is extremely painful while for others it's not. Whoopi likes to paint everyone with one brush and that annoys me.

I agree about Whoopi, meggy. Just curious though, would you mind explaining why you're pro-choice? Just trying to understand from people who feel that way and where they're coming from such as yourself.
I'm not trying to cause any arguments as I am just sincerely asking you about your reasons. Thank you.

No problem! I thank you for your sincere question. The basic reason I am pro choice is because I think the only person who should be able to make decisions for a women's body is that woman. I could go into all the reasons a woman might need an abortion, but I am sure you are aware of them. I don't think anyone should be pressured into a decision either way. Hence the pro- "CHOICE". However, I did see a comment on Facebook that called pro-choice "pro abortion", which offended me at first. I never looked at myself as "pro abortion". But that comment really made me examine my beliefs, and I realize I guess I am "pro abortion" as uncomfortable as it sounds. Meaning, I believe safe abortion services should be available and that a woman should be able to have an abortion if she chooses.

Thank you for listening! I hope I could offer you the perspective from the pro choice side of things. Please note, this is only my view. I know many women who personally think no one should have an abortion, yet they still consider themselves pro-choice because they think ultimately a woman should get to decide that for herself. I really think there are a WIDE range of opinions from both the pro-choice and the anti choice side of things.