Magnolia : Magnolia is the most sublime form of decadent suburban self-hatred
Re: Magnolia is the most sublime form of decadent suburban self-hatred
Beautiful film. Terribly underrated and under appreciated. Brilliant on soooo many different levels.
Re: Magnolia is the most sublime form of decadent suburban self-hatred
how is this widely acclaimed film underrated
Re: Magnolia is the most sublime form of decadent suburban self-hatred
I mean as far as today goes, not enough people are aware of it in my opinion. maybe I'm just in the wrong place but I don't know
Enough people who have seen or who love this film
Enough people who have seen or who love this film
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Far more people know about Magnolia than they do about the far better Nashville or Short Cuts (which Magnolia heavily borrowed from, but didn't have as good writing or complexity to the characters).
But that is the natural consequence of a generation raised on home video without a proper education on film history. They don't recognize derivative works when they see it. Their reactions are shaped entirely by the purely random rental choices they had growing up.
But not only is Magnolia a derivative film, it isn't even a good one. This reviewer pretty much nails it, expanding on the problem that the OP suggests:
http://itsabadmovie.blogspot.com/2013/01/magnolia-1999.html
But that is the natural consequence of a generation raised on home video without a proper education on film history. They don't recognize derivative works when they see it. Their reactions are shaped entirely by the purely random rental choices they had growing up.
But not only is Magnolia a derivative film, it isn't even a good one. This reviewer pretty much nails it, expanding on the problem that the OP suggests:
http://itsabadmovie.blogspot.com/2013/01/magnolia-1999.html
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wow, i mean i hate this movie but you really made an entire account just for getting mad at anderson fans on almost every single film's board, that's crazy
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this thread is beautiful, thank you
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Re: Magnolia is the most sublime form of decadent suburban self-hatred
This is wrong on so many levels. If theres one thing that is most definetly good, its the acting. The acting in this, is not only good, its phenomenal. In my opinion the directing is even stronger. Some of the shots PTA is able to pull off, made my mouth drop.
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Well said. I knew I noticed similarities between "Magnolia" and "Happiness" and why they both made me cringe.
Hey for more hipster nonsense you guys should check out "Ghost World" as well. If I could rewind time and unwatch a few movies those would be on the list.
Hey for more hipster nonsense you guys should check out "Ghost World" as well. If I could rewind time and unwatch a few movies those would be on the list.
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yes, happiness is another. ghost world is hipster nonsense but hipster nonsense is the child of the genre of magnolia and happiness, whose genre is self-congratulatory upper middle class but deeply insecure liberal boomer nonsense. so ghost world is what you tell yourself you like when you're disgusted with your parents for liking movies like magnolia and happiness.
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Your analysis cracks me up. Well said again Very eloquent, lol.
I always thought of it as pretentious insecurity but your definition explains it better.
magnolia and happiness, whose genre is self-congratulatory upper middle class but deeply insecure liberal boomer nonsense
I always thought of it as pretentious insecurity but your definition explains it better.
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Oh here we go again. "Hipster nonesense" anyone who uses that word, "hipster" is equivalent to a 14 year old boy screaming at other people for not liking the transformers movies. Grow up, will you? I know without a doubt that you also hate Birdman, the rest of PTAs film and every other film that is not a superhero flick.
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Most of the characters in this film are completely unsympathetic, with few if any redeeming qualities that didn't seem forced or an afterthought (the last moment "redemption" of the Partridge family didn't seem remotely believable, and was out of keeping with the tone of the film). I don't mind unsympathetic characters, most people you meet in your daily life aren't very likeable or worthy of respect either.
The only character that didn't come across as either utterly pathetic or morally repulsive was Phil (nurse played by Philip Seymour Hoffman). The rest of the characters were idiots, losers, perverts, or disgusting narcissists, e.g.
Jim Gator (Philip Baker Hall) - raped his daughter
Earl Partridge (Jason Robards) - abandoned his son and dying wife for a mistress
Linda Partridge (Julianne Moore) - whoring trophy wife, headcase and prescription pill addict
Frank/Jack Partridge (Tom Cruise) - narcissistic sleaze
Donnie Smith (William Macy) - one of the most pathetic sad sacks ever shown on film
Claudia Wilson - coke head
Rick Spector - father who abuses and lives vicariously through his kid
Officer Jim (John Reilly) - a well-intentioned moron
Solomon (Alfred Molina) - Shylock reborn
The only character that didn't come across as either utterly pathetic or morally repulsive was Phil (nurse played by Philip Seymour Hoffman). The rest of the characters were idiots, losers, perverts, or disgusting narcissists, e.g.
Jim Gator (Philip Baker Hall) - raped his daughter
Earl Partridge (Jason Robards) - abandoned his son and dying wife for a mistress
Linda Partridge (Julianne Moore) - whoring trophy wife, headcase and prescription pill addict
Frank/Jack Partridge (Tom Cruise) - narcissistic sleaze
Donnie Smith (William Macy) - one of the most pathetic sad sacks ever shown on film
Claudia Wilson - coke head
Rick Spector - father who abuses and lives vicariously through his kid
Officer Jim (John Reilly) - a well-intentioned moron
Solomon (Alfred Molina) - Shylock reborn
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THANKS FOR ALL THESE WORDS, NERD. I'LL ADD THEM TO MY COLLECTION
Re: Magnolia is the most sublime form of decadent suburban self-hatred
THANKS FOR ALL THESE WORDS, NERD. I'LL ADD THEM TO MY COLLECTION
It isn't my fault that you're (legally) an adult and still have the vocabulary and syntax of a third grader. Try reading sometime instead of playing video games and watching porn, it will work wonders for your thick head and your hairy palms.
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oh, you've sunk my battleship
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This post is great, because with two sentences you've gone revealed your real position and also countered provided the perfect rebuttal to your own original post.
Magnolia is the most sublime form of decadent suburban self-hatred