Game of Thrones : Can someone explain the ending of the sixth season to me…

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I cannot wrap my mind around two things. First, Tyrion's promotion to the Hand of the Queen's position. The way I see it, his progress as an advisor so far wasn't good. Not only he did something that the queen wouldn't be very happy about (allowed slavery for seven years), but it didn't even pay off as well as expected (the attack on Meereen happened soon). Yes, Tyrion was explaining to Deny that the attack in fact means his success (the slavers don't want Meereen to succeed), but from his tone alone it sounded like making excuses. At that point I felt that, as soon as the attack is stopped and everyone is safe, he's going to be reprimanded for his actions.
Not that I think he shouldn't be the Hand (he's the best the queen has anyway), but from how it happened it felt like he's been doing extremely well so far.
Second, Jon Snow. Here's similar to Tyrion's situation. The way I see it, his fight against Bolton was a complete failure. Bolton was clearly leading the game, Jon got into his trap, and eventually every action of his army was extremely disorganized. He led his army into a slaughter, and the day was saved by something out of his control, almost by luck. I imagine the majority of his army was lost anyway.
Yet not only he was chosen the next king of the north, but treated as some sort of a genius and superhero at that last meeting. Not that I mind him being the king. After all, he's from Stark family, and yes, he was brave at the battlefield. But still, that victory doesn't change the fact that he's completely screwed up.
Also, I don't understand how could such a victory suddenly persuade all the lords to follow him after they refused before. If they were so loyal to Starks regardless of circumstances, they would have followed him in the first place. If not, then shouldn't it take a little more than such a victory to persuade them?

Perhaps I am mistaken or failed to understand something. Maybe Tyrion's plan was in fact genius, and maybe Jon's actions during the battle were no more chaotic than any other commander's would be

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Pretty much this. At this point you're just supposed to sit back and enjoy the CGI.

Pretty much this. At this point you're just supposed to sit back and enjoy the CGI.

It does make sense, but it seemed to go over some people's heads. Way too much to explain to the people who did not pay attention.

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First, Tyrion's promotion to the Hand of the Queen's position. The way I see it, his progress as an advisor so far wasn't good.

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Fans wanted it so much.
He's an underdog, you see, because he's a dwarf, so the fools who still like this farce which used to be a good show wanted to see him win some sor of prize.

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Second, Jon Snow. Here's similar to Tyrion's situation.

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He's an underdog, you see, because he's a bastard, so the same reasoning applies. Most of the "fandom" wanted that too, so they got it.

And they got Daenerys sailing at last, they even got Arya popping up for an extra kill all the fandom had been wanting for so long.

How can you not be happy when you are given just what you want?

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Jon and Tyrion fit the ancient character archetype of The Orphan/The Ordinary Man or Woman/The Martyr/The Hero/The Everyman. There's a reason the archetype works - people relate to it.

It's the same reason people like Rocky Balboa, Frodo Baggins, Luke Skywalker, Aladdin, Katniss Everdeen, Tom Sawyer, Robin Hood, Harry Potter, etc.

In terms of Jon and Tyrion as individual characters: it's too bad they can't put Tyrion's brain into Jon's body. That would be an interesting combo.

Well Tyrion had been doing a good job in the Queens abscence for some time. And like you said, it did show that the 7 year end of slavery was a step in the right direction.
Daenerys knows he's amazing at his job. She was aggravated but I think she knows he held things together while she was flying around. :)

I had a slightly different take on these events:

1. Tyrion is the best she had, and was not rewarded with the position, rather made hand because who else? Also, I'm pretty sure he never expected her to honor the deal. I'm pretty sure he was just stalling when he met with the slavers. And of course, things did improve for the littles, which is what she wanted.

2. Jon was not rewarded for winning. Nobody said he was brilliant. Nobody said the would no longer follow a Stark. What they said was that they were afraid of the Boltons. Once the Boltons were gone, they followed Jon. Not much of a mystery.

While these things may look like fanservice to some, they both looked kind of logical to me.

Wait..What?

It was half-assed fan fiction.

Nuncle owned you. You're wrong, deal with it. Quit trying to validate your erroneous point.

Firstly, Tyrion was promoted to Hand of the Queen because although he made a grave mistake in the end, he compensated for it by ensuring that Daenerys did not descend on a path towards madness by choosing the same decision her father would have (burning entire cities to the ground). Also, it would make sense that she would choose Tyrion as hand over anyone in her court. No one else in her party is from Westeros and understands how the game is played, as he had mastered wrapping even the smartest of men around his finger despite the conniving nature of King's Landing and Tyrion's ability to see the best in people.

Secondly, Jon's tactics were a complete mess on the battlefield. He's a typical Stark; he let his emotion get the best of him and therefore abandoned all strategy in order to save Rickon. It was admirable, of course, but he made a huge gamble that didn't pay off and almost cost them the battle. However, in Westeros and Essos, although the female bias is lessened it is still evident. Daenerys only took control because of her dragons, and Cersei possesses a ruthless and cunning nature. Sansa has neither. Although her alliance with Littlefinger saved the battle, the northern lords only rallied to their side because of they had the comfort of knowing that Jon Snow would be leading the charge. Same with the wildings. Without Sansa, there would've been no victory, but without Jon, there would've been no war effort in the first place.

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Firstly, Tyrion was promoted to Hand of the Queen because although he made a grave mistake in the end, he compensated for it by ensuring that Daenerys did not descend on a path towards madness by choosing the same decision her father would have (burning entire cities to the ground). Also, it would make sense that she would choose Tyrion as hand over anyone in her court.

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She doesn't need a Hand at this point and Tyrion was of no more use than anyone else around her. It was pure fan service.

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SO lemme see? Dany sent Jorah away and then left Daanario behind..

Who else was gonna be the Hand, you know the one that has to speak on behalf of the Regeant, like lulling the Masters into a trap at the Pyramids?




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Not every king had a hand, not every king needs or wants one.
Louis XIV explicitly refused to rely of such a prominent minister.

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Dany isnt a King Duh !!!





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Daenerys needs someone to keep her grounded, more than anything else. That's what she was rewarding him for and why she wants him to stick by her. There was no way Tyrion could've held things together indefinitely in Meereen, if Daenerys hadn't returned. His meeting (and bargain) with the slavers was strictly meant to buy time. I'm sure he realized they wouldn't keep it forever, but was probably a little shocked by how quickly they assaulted the city. He did the best he could under the circumstances.

Jon has balls of steel and can inspire people to follow him. He's not exactly the most intellectual of guys though. Everyone would probably be better off in the future if he met with Sansa first and then went out to announce "his" decisions, since she's clearly the brains of the operation.

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Daenerys needs someone to keep her grounded, more than anything else.

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If it is true she doesn't know it. This is nothing but the logic of underdog fans who want their poor dear Tyrion to get some recognition at last, no matter how illogical or far fetched it may seem.
His rise to Daenerys' council right after being brought by the man she never wanted to see again is just another instance of this. Poortyrion fans will swallow anything just like Bastardjon fans will accept that a bastard be made king on admonition of a 10 year old girl. It warms their little hearts.

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It feels rushed. I'm guessing when GRRM gets to writing Tyrion's involvement with Dany, it will make a lot more sense. It will be more natural and realistic. I agree with what you said about how Danny suddenly allows Tyrion into her inner circle after a 2-3 minute scene, it didn't seem real.

The show is speeding up and glossing over too much content from the books. Sometimes it works, but mostly it just leaves people with lots of questions (like the whole ordeal with Shae).

It's a shame GRRM won't write for the show anymore. At least with him involved, perhaps the writing for the remainder of the story might not be so weak. It's like having someone trying to write Tom Sawyer or A Tale of Two Cities based on CliffsNotes

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It's a shame GRRM won't write for the show anymore. At least with him involved, perhaps the writing for the remainder of the story might not be so weak.

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You cannot take such shortcuts without it weighing down on quality and logic. There would still be enough story for six more seasons or more but the showrunners have decided to wrap things up for various reasons.

The success of S6 proves them right, fools loved it.

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I think you hit the nail on the head. I love in particular how people you get Tyrion's role vis a vis Dany.

Tyrion is not a leader. He has said as much about himself plenty of times and if he ever shows signs of forgetting that, Varys is more than ready to remind him.

And Tyrion is also not the most brilliant tactician, although you do have to hive him all the credit for that brilliant move against Stannis's fleet in Blackwater Bay way back when.

But Tyrion is still Dany's touchstone, and for her in particular, that is extremely important. Dany is aware of the madness of both her father and her brother, and I think she is increasingly on alert for signs of that same madness in herself. It's unspoken, but I'm seeing it in the way she increasingly gives Tyrionand indeed her other advisorsdue consideration. And Tyrion fits this role almost perfectly: not a leader, and not always getting things right, but terrifically good at getting her to think. Tyrion does not hesitate to hold up the mirror she needs to look into. He's done it several times now, from the moment of their first meeting when she decided the fate of Jorah, to the moment she was ready to lay waste to the lesser cities of Slaver's bay after their fleet attacked Meereen.

Does Tyrion make mistakes? Yes, and plenty of them. But he is still the one person above all others who can most likely stop Dany from acting without thinking. He is the one person who can make her stop and think, and she knows that.

Regarding Tyrion, I'm sure she remembers that he challenge her when she wanted to burn the master's cities, and upon retrospect, realizes she needs Tyrion's counsel to keep her grounded.

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I think Tyrion probably did reasonably well in Meereen all things considered. In Dany's absence (no dragons) he tried to peacefully put an end to conflict with the Masters, but it didn't work.

My biggest concern with Dany making him Hand of the Queen though is Tyrion's reputation in Westeros. Even after contributing to the successful defence of King's Landing he wasn't well liked. Then he was convicted of killing King Joffrey and then he murdered his father Lord Tywin. And this is the man Dany wants to present as her Hand of the Queen!

Just as Dany left Daario behind in Meereen she should also have left Tyrion behind and for much greater reasons.


JON SNOW

Agreed, Jon Snow is totally clueless as a battle leader. However he does inspire loyalty and people will follow him. He just needs to surround himself with competent advisers and listen to them, very hard.





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My biggest concern with Dany making him Hand of the Queen though is Tyrion's reputation in Westeros. Even after contributing to the successful defence of King's Landing he wasn't well liked. Then he was convicted of killing King Joffrey and then he murdered his father Lord Tyrion. And this is the man Dany wants to present as her Hand of the Queen!

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Absolutely. This show is clearly taking its viewers for idiots now, which is probably why its popularity increases.

Take a look at her whole crew here: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com:443/data.filmboards/images/upload/U0G9DuX.jpg
Tyrion is just one of many of the same kind.

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Basically the show is written by idiot fan boys nowso it will never make sense.

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Basically the show is written by idiot fan boys nowso it will never make sense.

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Typo. It should say "for idiot fanboys".
The guys who write it are getting insanely rich. That's clever, not idiotic.

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Both. I'm actually surprised they are going to kill off a dragon, and not have Jon, Dany, and Tyrion ride to save the day!

Maybe it's not a children's fairytale after all.

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HE WAS DEAD THE WHOLE TIME



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