North & South : OT: Outlander

Just received S1Part2 today!!

Enjoy Pat. Does it have any extras?

I 'hummed and harred' a bit about buying the Collectors Edition of the complete series when I already had Volume One, but I'm glad I did.

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Well I say 'enjoy'. I have just been re-watching some of the last episode because I wanted to listen to the podcast audios during some of the scenes and I was reminded that this episode (well the last two episodes) contains some of the most harrowing TV scenes I have ever seen.

Laura, you are watching it on dvd, is that right? So it was never on in England, you had to get the dvds??

I guess I have to Netflix it.

Sam Heughan and Russell Crowe tweeted. Looks like Sam worked with the same horse Russell had in Robin Hood. Too cool. The horse is a beautiful white horse. Sam said he wishes he could take the horse wiht him to Scotland. Maybe Sam was in rehearsals and will have a different horse for filming in Scotland? I dont know. I just thought it was cool those guys tweeted.

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Laura, you are watching it on dvd, is that right? So it was never on in England, you had to get the dvds??

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Yes, I had to buy the DVD, because it was on Amazon Prime, which I don't have. Mind you, I would have bought the DVD anyway.

That's interesting about horse. Yes, I would have thought he will have a different horse in Scotland.

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Speaking of SH tweets. I just saw this birthday one to CB. Sweet and a funny pic.

https://twitter.com/SamHeughan/status/650602348142821377

Great to hear we have another Outlander book fan Maddy.

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It's so good and I was surprised to learn the first novel was from 1991! I though they were quite recent. Anyway loving it so far and I will check back in with more thoughts once I've read more.

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Yes, I was surprised by that as well. I've read a few 'time slip' novels but had never come across these until I heard about the series. btw Have you watched all the TV Series?

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Yes I've seen season 1 and can't wait for season 2.

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Do you mean you have seen Volume One of Season One or the whole 16 episodes? It confuses me sometimes with them splitting Season One into two parts.

I agree, they have great chemistry.

Laura, it just seems strange that Outlander is not on in England.


The horse that Sam H and Russell C talked about must be a sweet horse, calm. It must be an older horse. Robin H was years ago. I wonder if the horse is a he or she. I think if its a he, they um, cut off the, you know, so that the horse wont have females on his mind, ha!



Hi Maddy.

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Laura, it just seems strange that Outlander is not on in England.

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Well you can watch it if you have Amazon Prime. But it's such a shame it is not on one of the mainstream or satellite channels. A lot of people who would really love this are really missing out.

My Outlander season 1 vol. 2 DVD has arrived! So, I'm in for some binge watching this weekend.

Volume 2 now seems to be available over here with the Complete Series One out on the 26th October. I'm pleased I bought the Collectors Edition Blu Ray though. I love all the extras especially the podcast audios.

I'm through with binge watching volume 2 now and I must say that they've done an incredible job there! Much of what riled me in terms of changes from the book in the first part finally made sense, and parts of the plot have actually become neater than in the novel IMO.

I should have liked for Claire and Jamie to have more time together as a couple, getting to know each other, either at Castle Leoch or at Lallybroch, but I understand that there are some restrictions due to serialisation and getting a proper story arch for each individual episode

The last two episodes were really hard to watchbut as you said, Laura, incredible acting. And TM certainly portrayed a formidable sadist.

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Much of what riled me in terms of changes from the book in the first part finally made sense, and parts of the plot have actually become neater than in the novel IMO.

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Which parts Birds?

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I should have liked for Claire and Jamie to have more time together as a couple, getting to know each other, either at Castle Leoch or at Lallybroch, but I understand that there are some restrictions due to serialisation and getting a proper story arch for each individual episode

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Yes, me too but like you say there are time restrictions. They did explain in the podcast audio they wanted to bring a bit more tension into the second episode at Lallybroch and that's why they introduced The Watch. I actually enjoyed that change in the story and liked the character of MacQuarrie and the reintroduction of Horrocks. Overall, I loved that so much happened in every episode and found each hour just flew past.

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The last two episodes were really hard to watchbut as you said, Laura, incredible acting. And TM certainly portrayed a formidable sadist.

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They were. It was some of the most harrowing TV I have ever watched. The writer of those episodes, Ira Steven Behr, said in the podcast that the days filming in that cell were most unpleasant and most trying time he had ever had on a film set and how everyone felt it. He said members of the crew were in tears and they all couldn't wait to get out of that cell. It was really starting to get to Sam by the end as well.

But yes, the acting was incredible from the three main actors. It has been excellent throughout but I thought they really stepped it up a gear in those final two episodes. Not just those three either but everyone. I have an incredible soft spot for Duncan Lacroix as Murtagh. He really grew on me over the series.

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Which parts Birds?

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These things come to mind

My pet peeve had always been that they hadn't included the 'I promise you honesty' line in the wedding episode. But they did include it, in ep. 11, right before Jamie asked Claire if she was a witch. Honesty was crucial at that point while at the wedding it would have been just romantic but not a necessity and unlike in the book they couldn't easily rehash that promise of honesty for 4 episodes until it was really needed.

I also liked when it transpired in ep. 9 that Jamie really was Callum's choice as his successor, rather than this just being wishful thinking by some of the clansmen (as it was in the book). This fits in nicely with the really awkward silence in ep. 2 when Claire mistook Hamish for Dougal's son; for obviously rumours had been about. It also explains why Dougal is portrayed as more of a 'loose cannon' than in the novel, and finally this gives Callum a good reason to do away with Claire (the future laird couldn't possibly be married to an Englishwoman), and a reason for which Claire is not to blame, for onceother than in the book where she blurts out that she knows Callum not to be Hamish's father.

Before I watched vol. 2 I kept thinking that there was rather too much Frank in ep. 8, especially as some of the scenes were invented, but now I feel that it ties in nicely with ep. 1 where there is also a lot of Frankand by showing the reasons for his disillusionment with the search for his wife, and by his leaving Scotland his storyline comes to a close with no loose ends.

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They did explain in the podcast audio they wanted to bring a bit more tension into the second episode at Lallybroch and that's why they introduced The Watch. I actually enjoyed that change in the story and liked the character of MacQuarrie and the reintroduction of Horrocks.

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I also rather like 'The Watch' becausequite franklythat time at Lallybroch wouldn't otherwise have had much of a storyline, considering what happens in the book right then.

Surprisingly, I do like 'The Search', but then I also like that part in Harry Potter book 7 when Harry, Ron and Hermoine spend ages in that tent, teleporting from hiding place to hiding place and getting nowhere, except in each others' faces.

I'm happy that they dropped the wolves in ep. 16 (which would have been 'jumping the shark'), and I prefer the way Claire brought back Jamie from 'the dark place' to the book version, and I also appreciate the notion that obviously not all is well by the time the final credits roll, which seems more realistic.

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My pet peeve had always been that they hadn't included the 'I promise you honesty' line in the wedding episode. But they did include it, in ep. 11, right before Jamie asked Claire if she was a witch. Honesty was crucial at that point while at the wedding it would have been just romantic but not a necessity..

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That line or something similar is actually in a deleted scene from the wedding episode. I think they must have changed that episode quite a bit because the marriage ceremony scene was longer as well in another deleted scene.

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Surprisingly, I do like 'The Search'

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Yes, I liked it as well and the fact that they went into more detail than in the book. I liked the interaction between Claire and Murtagh and how closer they had become by the end.

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I'm happy that they dropped the wolves in ep. 16

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They talked about that on podcast as well. About how it would have been just too difficult to shoot. They said they included a wolf howling at one point as a nod to that scene. LOL! Mind you we did find out in DIA that Jack knew there were wolves out there. I remember he told Claire that he had expected her to be killed when he turned her out. But they might not include that line in the next series.

Birds, I was thinking again about the deleted scenes from the wedding episode and re-watched them. Yes, in the one I was thinking of the line was taken straight from the book. At the start of the scene Jamie says "We have nothing now between us, save - respect, perhaps. And I think that respect has maybe room for secrets, but not for lies" etc. I think they planned to put it in late in the episode because he wasnt wearing his shirt and had a blanket around his shoulders and Claire was wrapped in the shawl she put on when she went to get more wine. In the same deleted scene he explains what the blood vow means. I remember some of that in the gag reel when he stopped because a plane went over. LOL! I wondered then if it was a scene they changed because I remembered in the actual episode the bit where he explained what the Gaelic meant, was done as a voiceover as Jamie was recounting his memories of the wedding and we were actually seeing them saying the vow, which was much nicer and more romantic.

Its a shame that the deleted scenes from the first eight episodes dont have an intro from Ronald D Moore, like the last eight do. Before each of them he explains the reasons for cutting the scenes and no doubt he would have said why that particular scene where Jamie talked about honesty was taken out. But I think this episode must have been complete rejigged because, watching both again I can see that the wedding ceremony was not only shorter but much of it was changed from that in the deleted scene. And I think it was going to be shown in real time rather than Jamie recounting what he remembered later. On the whole I'm glad they shortened it showed it the way they did. I thought it worked very well.

I've got vol. 2 only on DVD, Laura, which doesn't have all that many additional stuff, but it does have the podcasts on all 8 episodes, the gag reel, and a piece on the fabrics (which is the only one I haven't watched yet).

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On the whole I'm glad they shortened it showed it the way they did. I thought it worked very well.

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I saw some of the deleted scenes on YouTube, and it seems like they tried to capture the wedding vows from different angles (e.g. with the priest more prominently included), to see what worked best in the final cut



The podcasts are a great addition, and it's quite a shame that my DVD on vol. 1 didn't include any

Overall, I can live quite well with most of the changes they made from the book. And even though DG writes fantastic scenes and has created wonderful characters, there are some structural weaknesses in her novels (which I'd mostly put down to her method of writing in episodes). Her books are not perfect by any means, so I don't mind them getting 'tampered with' so much.

BTW, how do you feel about ep. 12 "Lallybroch", Laura? I know that some folks have strong issues about that one because it seemed to debase Jamie's character, and made him look too immature

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I've got vol. 2 only on DVD, Laura, which doesn't have all that many additional stuff, but it does have the podcasts on all 8 episodes, the gag reel, and a piece on the fabrics (which is the only one I haven't watched yet).

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I know I posted this before, but here again is what is included on the Collectors Edition of the whole series. Ive watched everything now.

Diana Gabaldon Tours Outlander
Casting Outlander
Walk Through the Sets and Stages with Ronald D. Moore
Emerging a Scot: Cast Goes to Boot Camp
On Location: Castle Leoch The Magic of Scotland
Outlander Cast & Crew Table Read
Triangle in Time
33 Deleted Scenes
The Reckoning Extended Episode
An Epic Adaptation
The Dresses and Kilts of Outlander
Weaving Authentic: Making the Fabrics of Outlander
Podcast Audio x 8 with Ronald D. Moore

Also the longer gag reel, as well.

As you can see there were lots of deleted scenes and even an extended episode of The Reckoning, which didnt have the voiceover by Jamie.

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The podcasts are a great addition, and it's quite a shame that my DVD on vol. 1 didn't include any

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Yes, I really enjoyed listening to those. I'm pleased that your DVD had them because I thought they might have been something only included on the Collectors Edition. No, I didnt have them on my DVD of Volume One either. They must have been done later, along with the intros to the deleted scenes on the Volume Two episodes.

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Her books are not perfect by any means, so I don't mind them getting 'tampered with' so much.

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No me neither.

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BTW, how do you feel about ep. 12 "Lallybroch", Laura? I know that some folks have strong issues about that one because it seemed to debase Jamie's character, and made him look too immature

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What did you think Birds? I actually didn't mind that Jamie was shown as more immature than he was in the book at this point. He is still quite young after all and being back home for the first time since his father's death, I thought it was believable that he might struggle with taking over the mantle of lairdship and not do it right at first. I dont know if you listened to the podcast on that episode but they talked about the fact that when he was collecting the rents he was wearing his fathers coat - the one we saw Brian wearing in the flashbacks. I'm glad they mentioned that because I hadn't noticed the first time I watched. I thought it was quite touching and to me it showed how he was trying to be like his father and maybe thought wearing his coat might help.

btw I loved the scene when he came up to bed drunk and Claire is trying to be mad but cant help smiling.

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Here again is what is what is included on the Collectors Edition.

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Thanks for listing those again, Laura. Some of themthe walk through the sets and some of the deleted scenesI've seen on YouTube already; I haven't come across the extended version of "The Reckoning", though. Maybe if I search for it specifically

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What did you think Birds? I actually didn't mind that Jamie was shown as more immature than he was in the book at this point.

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Neither did I. In the book everything that needs to be resolved with the Lallybroch situation gets sorted out in one single chapter, in the aftermath of Jenny's and Jamie's initial row. And then, those 4 years when Jamie was away just don't matter anymore
In the book I love the quiet time they had at Lallybroch, but I can also see that it wouldn't have been thrilling to adapt for the series.

So, I enjoyed how on screen this whole episode turned into a family piece with all the 'undercurrents between siblings' stuff. And yes, why shouldn't Jamie be insecure, and act immaturely and 'brash' in a situation that's new to him; and his own guilt over his father's death and Jenny's continuing disapproval of him (which I thought was an interesting twistand was resolved nicely in that graveyard scene!) wouldn't make things any easier.

I also don't mind that Claire (publicly) reproves Jamie at one point. Just because a situation makes the audience cringe on the characters' behalf doesn't mean that it is badly done; on the contrary, I think it makes sense here. With Frank she was in a relationship with a man much her senior, so being equals or even the more experienced now could go a little to her head.

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btw I loved the scene when he came up to bed drunk and Claire is trying to be mad but cant help smiling.

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That scene's just brilliant!

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So, I enjoyed how on screen this whole episode turned into a family piece with all the 'undercurrents between siblings' stuff. And yes, why shouldn't Jamie be insecure, and act immaturely and 'brash' in a situation that's new to him; and his own guilt over his father's death and Jenny's continuing disapproval of him (which I thought was an interesting twistand was resolved nicely in that graveyard scene!) wouldn't make things any easier.

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Yes, Jamie is only human and after all he has been through and thinking he would never go home again, I can understand why finally getting to be the laird would go to his head a little bit at first. Like you, I enjoyed all the sibling stuff. I particularly liked the twist of Jenny seeing the scars on Jamies back and then blaming herself. That graveyard scene was really well done. I love Laura Donnellys Jenny. More brilliant casting. I enjoyed the way the relationship between Jenny and Claire developed as well.

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I dont know if you listened to the podcast on that episode but they talked about the fact that when he was collecting the rents he was wearing his fathers coat

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Thanks for pointing this out, Laura. When I watched the episode the first time I thought that the coat looked unusual, and unlike anything Jamie had worn before, but I didn't recognise it as his father's coat

I listened to the podcast on 'Lallybroch', too, but this must have slipped my notice Truth be told, being less used to them, I often find American accents more difficult to follow than (British) English ones. Mind you, some of the local English accents can be rather tricky as well. But of course I'm quite comfortable with the Scottish burr

How do you like book 7 so far, Laura?

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but I didn't recognise it as his father's coat

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No, I didn't but after they said that I couldn't resist running it back and watching the flashbacks of the scenes of his father.

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How do you like book 7 so far, Laura?

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I must admit that (so far) this has been my least favourite book of the series. A slow start and in the first half there was just not Claire and Jamie in it for me. They are who I most enjoy reading about, then young Ian and Roger and Brianna. I'm afraid I find Lord John, although a nice and honourable character, a bit boring. And although it was good reading about William now he has grown up from a spoilt little boy into a nice young man, I just don't find him that interesting yet. Don't get me wrong I am enjoying it, and now I am in the second half of the book it is definitely much more interesting. I am just at the point where William Buccleigh MacKenzie has turned up at Lallybroch.

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I must admit that (so far) this has been my least favourite book of the series. In the first half there was just not Claire and Jamie in it for me. They are who I most enjoy reading about, then young Ian and Roger and Brianna.

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Personally, I'm not all that keen on the present-day Roger and Brianna storyline and upon re-reading I tend to skip most of it (in book 4, too). But you are right, Laura, book 7 starts rather slowly, with LJG's political machinations, and William getting constantly lost (first on Long Island and then in the Great Dismal) or stuck (in Canada for the winter). But things speed up quite a bit later on

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But you are right, Laura, book 7 starts rather slowly, with LJG's political machinations,

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Yes, I skimmed a lot of that. I don't think I would be interested in reading the LJG stories.

I don't mind the Roger and Brianna stuff in this book but I know what you mean about Book 4. I'm hoping William will become more interesting. I know he is young yet but Jamie was not much older when we first met him and I loved him from the start. Maybe it is because he is more serious and not as humorous as Jamie. I love Jamie's sense of humour and funny remarks. They are one of the things I find most attractive about him. Maybe DG didn't just want to turn William into a carbon copy of Jamie personality wise.

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But things speed up quite a bit later on

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Yes they are. Really enjoying the latter part of the book.

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Btw Birds I dont tend to visit the IMDb Outlander Board often but lurk occasionally and yesterday I noticed someone said that Frank was Ronald D Moore's favourite character from the books. Now I don't know how true that is, but it made me think back to these comments you made on 18th October.

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Before I watched vol. 2 I kept thinking that there was rather too much Frank in ep. 8, especially as some of the scenes were invented, but now I feel that it ties in nicely with ep. 1 where there is also a lot of Frankand by showing the reasons for his disillusionment with the search for his wife, and by his leaving Scotland his storyline comes to a close with no loose ends.

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I knew from the podcasts that RDM co-wrote Episode 16 but none of the other episodes from Volume Two. But when I checked to see who wrote the earlier episodes (sorry if you already know this) but RDM wrote three of them including Episode 1 and Episode 8. I wondered, if he is such a fan, this might explain why there was so much Frank in these.

Like you, I didn't mind all the Frank stuff in the end. It filled in gaps that because the story is told from Claire POV we just didn't get to know about in the book. It also helped me to feel more sympathy for Frank because, unlike RDM, I am not a book Frank fan. LOL!

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I love Jamie's sense of humour and funny remarks. They are one of the things I find most attractive about him. Maybe DG didn't just want to turn William into a carbon copy of Jamie personality wise.

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Well, William is only 18 or so at the beginning, so that's quite a bit younger. But even if making allowances for being a lieutenant and Lord so-and-so, he is quite full of himself, and rather 'intense' but so is Brianna (intense, that is). But then they're both single children, and there's probably nothing like having a big sister like Jenny to bring you down a peg or two, and stop you from taking yourself too seriously.

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when I checked to see who wrote the earlier episodes (sorry if you already know this) but RDM wrote three of them including Episode 1 and Episode 8. I wondered, if he is such a fan, this might explain why there was so much Frank in these.

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Thanks Laura, very interesting information, and rather telling. But as I think that the aditional Frank scenes in ep. 8 fit into the overall structure of the series, I don't mindyet. I just hope that RDM won't get carried away in season 2 because there's not much point for Frank to show up then except in the briefest of flashbacks.

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Well, William is only 18 or so at the beginning, so that's quite a bit younger.

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Yes that's true, I had forgotten just how young he was at the start. Mind you I can imagine that Jamie was just as interesting and humorous when he was 18 as he was when he was older. I agree William is quite intense and being a Lord has made him a bit full of himself. Although, he has turned out much nicer than I thought he would - from that spoiled little boy. No doubt that is Lord John's influence. It would be nice to see a bit more wit and humour though like Jamie and young Ian have.

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But then they're both single children, and there's probably nothing like having a big sister like Jenny to bring you down a peg or two, and stop you from taking yourself too seriously.

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That's true. LOL! That would explain young Ian's less serious personality as well.

I have finished book 7. Definitely preferred the second half of the book, much more interesting and exciting, if a little rushed at the end. I will re-read like I usually do but I think I am going to move straight onto book 8 first, as there are just too many loose ends at the end of this one for me to wait. LOL! The only other time I did this was at the end of book 2. There was no way I couldnt move on to the next book after that cliffhanger.

As cliffhangers go book 7 is pretty badthough not nearly as bad as book 2. That was the ultimate cliffhanger!
Anyway, you'll have plenty of time to re-read after finishing with book 8about another two years or so, telling by the usual rate of Outlander book releases.

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Anyway, you'll have plenty of time to re-read after finishing with book 8about another two years or so, telling by the usual rate of Outlander book releases.

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Yes, I will go back and re-read 7 and 8 as soon as I have finished. But if the time between the last two books is anything to go off, I will almost certainly have time to re-read the whole series yet again, at my leisure, before Book 9 is released. There was actually almost 5 years between Book 7 and Book 8. I would have hated to wait that long if I'd read Book 7 back in 2009. I hope it isn't, but it could turn out to be another 4 years to wait for Book 9. The time between books seems to be getting longer and longer. At least there was only one year duration between the release dates of the first three books, so the wait for Book 3 three after that cliffhanger at the end of Book 2 wasn't quite so bad. LOL!

ETA: I have started Book 8. No slow start for this one. Very action packed first few chapters.

The ladies at the Outlander Book Club have finished reading North & South and have just watched the mini-series. For anyone who is interested in their opinions:
http://outlanderbookclub.freeforums.org/classic-read-f286.html

Also, over at the Outlander board there is a book club for 'Cross Stitch' but as I've mentioned before: Although I really like the novels I don't think they are the kind of books which greatly improve by discussing them at length.
So I just lurk a little from time to time but without joining in and yesterday I came across that remark on ch. 25 by broughps which made me chuckle: "You'd think a sporran was the size of a suitcase with as much stuff as Jamie keeps in it."

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There was actually almost 5 years between Book 7 and Book 8.

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Rather than writing all those spinn-offs DG should better concentrate on her 'big books'

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The ladies at the Outlander Book Club have finished reading North & South and have just watched the mini-series.

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That's spooky, I had a look over there this morning and noticed they were watching the mini-series. I didn't have chance to read any of their comments though.

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Rather than writing all those spinn-offs DG should better concentrate on her 'big books'

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I agree. I'm not sure how much of her time is taken up with being a consultant for the TV series as well. Also at Comic Con she said she was writing a script for one of the episodes of Season Two.

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So I just lurk a little from time to time but without joining in and yesterday I came across that remark on ch. 25 by broughps which made me chuckle: "You'd think a sporran was the size of a suitcase with as much stuff as Jamie keeps in it."

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It's like a sporran 'tardis'. But this made me think about how I don't really notice the sporrans much in the TV series. But then that is perhaps because they are the plain leather pouches they had in the 18th century. When I see or hear the word sporran I can't help thinking of the elaborate fur covered ones with tassels you see now-a-days.

Congrats to Outlander on their win at the People's Choice Awards.

http://blog.peopleschoice.com/2015/01/08/peoples-choice-awards-2015-outlander-favorite-cable-sci-fi-fantasy-tv-show-acceptance-speech/

http://blog.peopleschoice.com/2015/01/07/peoples-choice-awards-2015-winners-list/

Some new cast members revealed for Season 2. Going off what I have seen on Twitter I think the casting of the young actor rumoured to be playing the young Lord John is confirmed.

http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/outlander-season-two-spoiler-alert-6825850

I've seen Clive Russell in lots of things including Game of Thrones and Ripper Street. Great choice for Jamie's grandfather Lord Lovat. I didn't realise until recently that he actually existed. Of course that explains why Brian was an illegimate son.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fraser,_11th_Lord_Lovat

Clive Russell is certainly an improvement on the original Lord Lovat. Still no sign of Brianna and Roger being cast yet, is there?

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Still no sign of Brianna and Roger being cast yet, is there?

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No, not yet. But it can't long now. It seems like they are leaving them until last.

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Tobias Menzies has also been in Game of Thrones and I just realised that Clive Russell plays his uncle in it. LOL!

Season 2 Teaser Trailer.



I miss Jamie's fringe of curls.

Thanks, Laura. The costumes look gorgeous!

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I miss Jamie's fringe of curls.

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I can't say I do I quite like the longer hair.

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I can't say I do I quite like the longer hair.

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I suppose the longer hair fits in better with the fashion in France, but I just prefer him with a fringe.

I have just finished Book 8 (Written in My Own Hearts Blood). I much preferred this to Book 7. Of course I was pleased that there was more Jamie and Claire in it (or so it seemed to me), but I enjoyed all of it. I liked the Lord John bits more in this one. I do like the friendship he has with Claire now. I love it when he calls her my dear. Their relationship has come a long way. LOL! I did find William's constant angst over his parentage a bit wearing at times. But I think that wasnt help by the fact that he didnt get chance to speak properly to Jamie until the end. I did love that he turned to him for help though even if it was a last resort. I really want to see more of them re-establishing a relationship in the next book.

Speaking of which I found a little excerpt from Book 9 online.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snnqrt

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I did find William's constant angst over his parentage a bit wearing at times.

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I don't think it was personal and against Jamie as such. I think that William must have felt totally at sea, the certainty of being an earl with a lineage all the way back it the Norman invasion gone in a flash, and he little better than an imposter in his own estimation While all the others (Ian, Rachel & her brother, besides Claire, Lord John, and his uncle Hal) knew before him, or at least guessed at the truth. I think it speaks for him that he couldn't pretend that nothing had happened, and just get on with his life And he is still rather young, only 19 or 20, and at that age folks tend to take most things very hard. I just hope that once he gets over it he develops a good sense of humour; he could do with that!

Actually, one of the things I really liked about book 8 (quite besides the story) is how DG made us follow 4 men through that battle at Monmouth (?) and you could tell whose storyline she was picking up even before she mentioned the respective names, simply by the way she subtly altered her style of writing. I thought that was really brilliant!

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Speaking of which I found a little excerpt from Book 9 online.

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Actually, there's more on book nine; only, I didn't post it before because I wasn't sure how you'd feel about spoilers but here's the link now:

http://www.dianagabaldon.com/books/outlander-series/book-nine-outlander-series/

Another thing I liked about Book 8 was that the Roger/Brianna storylines were in two blocks.

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I just hope that once he gets over it he develops a good sense of humour; he could do with that!

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Yes, I totally agree. He could certainly do with that. He needs to spend more time with Jamie. He'll loosen him up a bit. LOL!

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I was wondering if Brianna would be able to help with Jamie and William now she is back. I know her situation wasnt exactly the same but she knows all about having to forge a relationship with him as a father. Of course there is Claire as well and William is fond of her and doesn't appear to be blaming her for not telling him the truth. I like that he was thinking of her as Mother Claire by the end of Book 8 again.


I forgot to say yesterday, but did you notice the little nod to Sam Heughan with the blacksmith who was called Heughan. I've forgotten the chapter. I wasnt sure at first, but it is such an unusual name, so I googled found this.

http://www.outlanderlife.com/2014/02/sam-heughan-cameo-in-diana-gabaldons.html

Also I noticed that one of Ellen Mackenzies middle names was listed as Caitriona. Im not sure if that was for Caitriona Balfe or not, but that does tend to be the Irish spelling as opposed to the Scottish Catriona.

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Actually, there's more on book nine; only, I didn't post it before because I wasn't sure how you'd feel about spoilers but here's the link now:

http://www.dianagabaldon.com/books/outlander-series/book-nine-outlander-series/

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Oh thanks. I will check those out later.

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I enjoyed reading those Birds. No Jamie and William situations there. I suppose it's possible they might not actually meet up again in Book 9. I will be disappointed if that is the case though. I found the excerpt entitled 'Jamie and Roger' very interesting.

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No Jamie and William situations there. I suppose it's possible they might not actually meet up again in Book 9. I will be disappointed if that is the case though

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I think they will meet up again in book 9. With her excerpts DG just wouldn't want to give away too much of what's going to happen

Btw, occasionally I 'lurk at the edges' of the Outlander board and, while their discussions are generally too heated for me to care to join in, I came across this post whichto memade a lot of sense (The thread is about a possible spoiler that Laoghaire makes an appearance in season 2):
http://www.imdb.com/board/13006802/board/thread/251163616?d=251196072#251196072

Wasn't L's first husband a Mackenzie clansman who died at Culloden? So, if she followed her husband to the battles she could have been there once Callum was dead and Dougal joined the Jacobite forces

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I think they will meet up again in book 9. With her excerpts DG just wouldn't want to give away too much of what's going to happen

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Yes, you're right of course.

That is an interesting post on the Outlander Board. I suppose Laoghaire could make an appearance in Season 2. Like the poster said the writers have the advantage of knowing which characters play a role in further books and where the story is going.

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Wasn't L's first husband a Mackenzie clansman who died at Culloden? So, if she followed her husband to the battles she could have been there once Callum was dead and Dougal joined the Jacobite forces

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I can't remember if her first husband died at Culloden or not, I would have to check.

Here's another link, this time to a site where they discuss period film costumes Check out the replies. Terry Dresbach is amongst those who comment.

http://www.frockflicks.com/outlander-costumes-mid-season-1-recap-and-preview/
http://www.frockflicks.com/the-real-deal-on-tartan-kilts-and-outlander-costumes/
http://www.frockflicks.com/outlander-finally-we-can-talk-geillis/

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Wasn't L's first husband a Mackenzie clansman who died at Culloden? So, if she followed her husband to the battles she could have been there once Callum was dead and Dougal joined the Jacobite forces

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I can't remember if her first husband died at Culloden or not, I would have to check.

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I just checked in 'Voyager' and yes, Laoghaire's first husband 'Hugh Mackenzie' who was one of Colum's tackmen was killed at Culloden.

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Here's another link, this time to a site where they discuss period film costumes Check out the replies. Terry Dresbach is amongst those who comment.

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Thanks for that Birds. The bits about the kilts is particularly interesting. I remember in one of the extras on the DVD called 'The Dresses and Kilts of Outlander' where it talked about the kilts and how each actor put their own on differently. There was a deleted scene from Episode 14 where Claire is remembering watching Jamie putting his kilt on one morning - pleating it carefully then lying down and folding it around his waist. I remember Ron D Moore saying in his intro to it, that they put the scene in because a) Jamie wasn't going to be in that episode otherwise and b) because people get asking him how highlanders put on their kilts. LOL! He was gutted they had to cut it because of time. Of course there is still a similar but much briefer scene in the titles of another episode (I can't remember which ETA: It was in the titles of Episode 9 - The Reckoning) of him doing the same.

I think the costumes are just fantastic and incredibly authentic. And, as you said, the ones in France for Season Two look gorgeous in the trailer. Here is another pic I saw on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/Outlander_Starz/status/672824969399689221

Speaking of Season Two, I know it rains a lot in Scotland and you can see it quite often in scenes in Season One so the cast and crew will be used to it. But earlier I was thinking about how it is has been particularly bad lately with all the storms and heavy rain we have been having and wondered how they were faring, then I saw this very succinct Tweet by Sam Heughan.

https://twitter.com/SamHeughan/status/673071106723590144

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I saw this very succinct Tweet by Sam Heughan.

https://twitter.com/SamHeughan/status/673071106723590144

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THIS coming from a Scot really says it all!

Lois just posted this link on the 'HT' thread. Outlander has been nominated for best drama series at the Golden Globes. There is also acting nominations for Tobias Menzie and Caitriona Balfe. It's a shame that Sam Heughan didn't get one as well though. I thought he was particularly outstanding in those final two episodes.

http://tinyurl.com/qbkgmfn

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https://twitter.com/Outlander_Starz/status/674999870277595136

Here is an interview with Ron D Moore about the Golden Globes nominations. Interesting what he says about Sam Heughan not being nominated. I suppose he's right, his role was a slow burn in the first season. So maybe with a much bigger part and a lot more material in Season Two, he might get a nod for best actor next year.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/10/outlander-golden-globe-noms-sam-heughan-snub?hootPostID=d8fdd40cc575f6693387508c74cd7906

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Another interview with RDM after the GG nominations, which I thought I would post because of the last question.

http://tvline.com/2015/12/10/outlander-season-2-lord-john-ronald-moore/

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TVLINE | You know I have to ask: Brianna and Roger? Have you cast them?

Very close. Were hoping to be able to announce them very soon.

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