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How and why can the Island move?

So it's harder to find and can be protected.

As for how? There's really no how for this, just like there's no 'how' for how the smoke monster works or how Miles can talk to the dead. It just 'is.' Just part of the island.

Isn't pretty much the whole show a paradox? They never would have crashed on the island if they themselves hadn't caused the incident in the 70's, which again requires them to be on the island, which they wouldn't be without the incident.

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Isn't pretty much the whole show a paradox? They never would have crashed on the island if they themselves hadn't caused the incident in the 70's, which again requires them to be on the island, which they wouldn't be without the incident.

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Yep. That's why there seems to be an alternate timeline. Nothing else could resolve the paradox we see.

If you're referring to the flash sideways in season 6, I don't see how that is a satisfactory response, as we know they were introduced to illustrate the afterlife and how they find each other in order to move on. Unlike everything on the islands, the sideways don't happen in the reality per se.

There is only one timeline, THEY DID help cause the Incident, THEY DID crash on the Island, These events happed once.

No paradox here.

Yes it is. The events happened once, yes, but one event wouldn not have happened without the other, which is pretty much a prime example for a paradox.

This is not a paradox.

In this situation, what happened..happened, just..before they knew it happened.

A paradox here would be if they had gone back to 1954/74/77 and changed events, leading to differences in their original time, here they changed nothing, on returning to 2007 everything was as it was when they left.

No paradox.

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There is only one timeline

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These events happed once.

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Is there only one?

"You don't buy the ring, Desmond."

I believe so, yes.

The thing with Eloise and Desmond imo is similar to the Desmond and Charlie thing, Desmond saw visions that COULD happen, but didnt, He/We saw Charlie die by electrocution, arrow through the neck, ect, however these events didnt actually happen, the only event that physically happened was Charlie drowning in the Looking Glass.

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The thing with Eloise and Desmond imo is similar to the Desmond and Charlie thing, Desmond saw visions that COULD happen, but didnt, He/We saw Charlie die by electrocution, arrow through the neck, ect, however these events didnt actually happen, the only event that physically happened was Charlie drowning in the Looking Glass.

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Ehh, maybe. Though it seems more like what happened in The Constant. The mind going back in time and reliving events, rather than seeing possible future events. Plus doesn't the possibility of seeing a future event and then changing that event, coincide more with the ability to change the timeline and that whatever happens didn't/doesn't always happen. Rather than everything is set in stone.

Can you explain the ending for me man? So were they all already dead? Meaning everything happened but at the end Jack figured out that they were all in limbo and they had to crossover now? Im confused.

its like this.

Season 1 - Current time - Flashbacks - All physically happened in what we would call "real life".

Season 2 - Current time - Flashbacks - All physically happened in what we would call "real life".

Season 3 - Current time - Flashbacks - Except for the season 3 finale which is Current time - FlashFORWARDS - All physically happened in what we would call "real life".

Season 4 - Current time - FlashFORWARDS - All physically happened in what we would call "real life".

Season 5 - This is where it gets a little more complicated. We have timejumping, this season we have some of the characters (Sawyer, Juliette, Daniel)jumping through time, landing most prominently in 1954 and 1974, this is where they spend 3 years, then in 1977, some of the other characters (Jack, Kate, Hurley etc)join them after spending 3 years as the "Oceanic 6 - All physically happened in what we would call "real life".

Season 6 - This season is mainly set in two different planes of existence, first we have what we call "real life", this is where The characters are attempting to destroy the "Man in Black".

We also have a couple of FlashBACKS, most notably Richard Alpert and Jacob and his brother.

All physically happened in what we would call "real life".

But we have something new this season also, The FlashSIDEWAYS, this is where it seemed as though the plane never crashed, where Jack has a son, Sawyer is a cop etc,

This "reality" is what happened to the characters AFTER they died, "purgatory" for want of a better term.

So everything we saw on that Island, really happened in what we call "real life", only the off Island Flashes in season 6 are what we might call "purgatory".

I'm sure Bsharporflat will be here soon to tell you I'm wrong.

Thanks Dave. It makes sense. So basically THEY did get off the island, so that happened! Am I correct?

And then they just couldnt live with themselves, knowing that there were still people on the island, so like Jack and everyone else went back! That happened?

So when the man in black is killed and they have to go the fountain or whatever, what was the actual purpose of that then? Why did Jack wake up back on the island in the series finale? I did not understand that part.

Thanks for the explanation!

"So basically THEY did get off the island, so that happened! Am I correct?"

Yes.

"And then they just couldnt live with themselves, knowing that there were still people on the island, so like Jack and everyone else went back! That happened?"

Yes.

"So when the man in black is killed and they have to go the fountain or whatever, what was the actual purpose of that then?"

The "light", is the "source of life", without it life itself would cease to exist, and the dead would have no way of "moving on", so after the Man in Black is killed, Jack has to reihnite the light to save humanity.

"Why did Jack wake up back on the island in the series finale? I did not understand that part."

If youre referring to the point after he's restored the "light", its what happens when people(except for Desmond) enter the "light", If you recall the same thing happened to the Man In Black's body after he was thrown in by Jacob.

"Thanks for the explanation!"

youre very welcome.

What happened to the drapes Kate made in her apartment?

Shut up talking spaceship! I'm trying to watch my favorite sci-fi show.

As seen in a deleted scene (season 4 box set), Kate used the drapes as decoration in John's coffin.

Shame it was deleted.

But for real: When Oceanic 815 crashed, everybody was just like, ow okay, a plane crashed, let's just continue doing what we were doing (except for Ethan,).

Like, okay, The others were kind of weird, but they saw a plane crash, and they don't even care for more than 2 minutes.

1)What is the story behind the Cabin? Like, why is the Ash circle broken? What is the ash?

2)I take it the Monster was the one pretending to speak to John in the Cabin, the one who said "help me", the one who threw Ben Linus against the wall when he was pretending ("putting on a show" in John's words).

Am I wrong about this?


3)Why did Jacob move from the Cabin to the Statue? Or did Jacob never live in the Cabin?

4)Is the smoke monster really a security system? Was Jacob's adopted mother the smoke monster?

5)Did John pass Richard's test or fail it as a child? Great episode, but left me confused for years.


Those are the most important questions I have.

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5)Did John pass Richard's test or fail it as a child? Great episode, but left me confused for years.

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It seems he failed:

RICHARD: Over, uh, twenty years ago, a man named John Locke, he walked right into our camp. And he told me that he was going to be our leader. Now I've gone off the Island three times, to visit him. But he never seemed particularly special to me.

Shut up talking spaceship! I'm trying to watch my favorite sci-fi show.

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It seems he failed:

RICHARD: Over, uh, twenty years ago, a man named John Locke, he walked right into our camp. And he told me that he was going to be our leader. Now I've gone off the Island three times, to visit him. But he never seemed particularly special to me.

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That's what I thought too when I heard that quote from Richard in season 5.

Richard confused me when he said that because it seems he invested so much in John in season 3, with helping him let go of his father, finding his purpose etc.

Doesn't it seem a bit contradictory? Why would Richard place so much hope in John in season 3 prior to him asking Jack about him in Season 5?

Also, how exactly did he fail the test? Do you know what the knife represented? Richard looked impressed at the smoke monster drawing on the wall.

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Richard confused me when he said that because it seems he invested so much in John in season 3, with helping him let go of his father, finding his purpose etc.

Doesn't it seem a bit contradictory?

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Not really, the Incident was in the 70s and the stuff on the island in season 3 in 2004.

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Why would Richard place so much hope in John in season 3 prior to him asking Jack about him in Season 5?

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Well, maybe he took Jack's word for it:

JACK: Yeah. Yeah, I know him. And if I were you, I wouldn't give up on him.

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Also, how exactly did he fail the test? Do you know what the knife represented?

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I don't, but I guess it was somebody else's

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Richard looked impressed at the smoke monster drawing on the wall.

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Or concerned maybe?

Shut up talking spaceship! I'm trying to watch my favorite sci-fi show.

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Not really, the Incident was in the 70s and the stuff on the island in season 3 in 2004.

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Yeah, I guess I agree. The time travel stuff is a little hard for me to follow. I wonder if I over analyze the time travel looking for secret meanings, its always a balancing act for me between over analyzing and giving up.

Lost is brilliant, some of the best episodes were with Ben, Locke and Richard in seasons 3-5.

The Man from Tallahassee is probably my favorite in Season 3, followed by The Man behind the Curtain. I think the genius of both those episodes are often overlooked by fans, possibly because the first half of season 3, with the excessive use of cages and tiresome flashbacks are all that casual fans remember (Kate's marriagecringe).

I remember when those first episodes came out, and it was so painful watching them week to week 10 or so years ago, especially with all the commercial breaks. The only thing that kept me watching was really Michael Emerson's humor and brilliant acting style.

Cabin Fever one of my favorite episodes in Season 4, along with with The Shape of Things to Come, and Something Nice back Home. Brilliant episodes.

As for Season 5, I remember seeing the season finale part 1, "The Incident" and it just blew me away. Of course this was on Netflix about 2 years ago. I gave up on the show years back around season 4, because I underestimated to value of Faraday and Miles as characters, it just seemed so silly back in 2007. But that was week to week and dealing with commercials.

But yeah, the Incident opening was superb with the brilliant dialogue between Jacob and MiB, the black rock approaching, the statue, everything. And of course Ben's choice, the music was hauntingly beautiful as was the script. When I first saw it, I was actually rooting for Locke because I thought Jacob was possibly evil.

Unfortunately Season 6 really let me down, especially the temple scenes and most of the flash sideways except for Ben, Locke and Alex I think.

I did like most of Ab Aeterno, but a lot of it still confuses me. Love the very beginning though, when Richard says "We're in Hell" with the black sky behind him and the ocean waves crashing. That was very creepy. I kinda wish the show went in that direction to be honest, where the characters had to get out of Hell, or something along those lines.

I did not care for Jacob in season 6, and I hated the others in the temple running around, doing useless things, along with Ilana. Oh and Desmond, Widmore, and Zoe were just awful. I actually cheered when MiB slit Zoe's throat, her acting was just so terrible as was her character.

Was Widmore lying about Jacob inviting him back? I certainly hope so. If not, Ben had every right to do what he did to Jacob. In fact, if he didn't do it, Sa'id probably would have.

Can't believe the way they dropped the ball in the last season.

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The Man from Tallahassee is probably my favorite in Season 3, followed by The Man behind the Curtain. I think the genius of both those episodes are often overlooked by fans, possibly because the first half of season 3, with the excessive use of cages and tiresome flashbacks are all that casual fans remember (Kate's marriagecringe).

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TMFT is one of my favorite episodes. Through the Looking Glass was also fantastic. I also enjoyed A Tale of Two Cities. I Do was pretty bad, Kate's cringeworthy flashback. The only high point was when Jack managed to turn the tables on Ben.

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Cabin Fever one of my favorite episodes in Season 4, along with with The Shape of Things to Come, and Something Nice back Home. Brilliant episodes.

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The Shape of Things to Come and Something Nice Back Home are my favorites in season 4.

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TMFT is one of my favorite episodes. Through the Looking Glass was also fantastic. I also enjoyed A Tale of Two Cities. I Do was pretty bad, Kate's cringeworthy flashback. The only high point was when Jack managed to turn the tables on Ben.

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Yes, TMFT is fantastic, quite often overlooked by many fans for some reason. I forgot to mention "The Brig", that episode is pure perfection, the music, script, the merging of Locke and Sawyer's story lines was beautiful.

And of course TMBHTC was brilliant as well. One of the reasons I love the show is that you can come up with different interpretations. I honestly still like to believe that the MiB is the one scaring Ben in the Cabin, even the producers said otherwise. In either case, that part is just so funny and scary at the same time, one of the best moments ever to air on television.

Through the looking glass is great, I just miss Tom lol. Wish he didn't have to die yet.

I liked Tom too. His death seemed a bit unnecessary.

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Doesn't it seem a bit contradictory? Why would Richard place so much hope in John in season 3 prior to him asking Jack about him in Season 5?

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Maybe because Jack tells Richard to not give up on John Locke back in 1977. So whatever happened, happened.

Why am I so alone?

Hard in the hairy ass