Sons of Anarchy : Sons of Anarchy is the most sexist show on television - says Salon mag

Sons of Anarchy is the most sexist show on television - says Salon mag

I saw a link title for a Salon.com article which said:


Sons of Anarchy is the most sexist show on television


The article criticizes the roles of women in the show for portraying negative stereotypes.

This article highlights a real social problem in society today. There is a disturbing cultural current presently which seeks to censor television which doesn't present positive role models for women. Even shows depicting criminal gang culture which normally attracts groupie girls with low self esteem who are completely submissive to the men they want are criticized for failing to show positive role models.
The Salon article even criticized the lady DA played by Tyne Patterson as

a tough as nails and utterly crooked prosecutor
but fails to back up that statement. Did anyone think DA Pounder was utterly crooked? No. But the Salon author hates seeing women actors portraying anything but positive role models that she lied about the DA and ignored the other positive female roles in the show. This is because this cultural current demands punishment of those who fail to fall in line with the feminist agenda (among other issues).


You could say the show is meant to be a reflection of the motorcycle gang culture, which may itself be sexist. But even so, Sons of Anarchy has the opportunity to rise above any culturally-entrenched sexism. Instead, the show continues to miss the mark by keeping women boxed into stereotypical roles.

The author expects every show to

rise above any culturally-entrenched sexism
. She cannot tolerate realism in television, only expression of an idealized world. Why?
I think she believes women who view SOA won't be able to avoid turning into submissive girls who live to pleasure men, that women cannot look at the show and say that is not for me.

will these sexist undertones persist, or will they give way to more nuanced characterization?
Really? The show depicts the biker world subculture.

This criticism of realism, this insistence that TV shows only present some idealized portrayal of women is a type of censorship.
I believe one of the reasons the show was so successful is because it is nearly the only one whose writers refused to run their scripts through the feminist cookie cutter.

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The article criticizes the roles of women in the show for portraying negative stereotypes.


lol...who are these idiots? Everyone in the show is a negative stereotype...even the toddler children are negative stereotypes, lol..

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The Salon article even criticized the lady DA played by Tyne Patterson as
a tough as nails and utterly crooked prosecutor but fails to back up that statement. Did anyone think DA Pounder was utterly crooked?



no, scheming/devious but never illegal or dirty, that I ever saw..


You could say the show is meant to be a reflection of the motorcycle gang culture, which may itself be sexist. But even so, Sons of Anarchy has the opportunity to rise above any culturally-entrenched sexism. Instead, the show continues to miss the mark by keeping women boxed into stereotypical roles.


read-the show may be realistic in some ways ie, telling the -truth-, and you slackjaws already know we do not allow that kind of thing with truth and facts that we do not like.

these kinds of *beep* idiots and their places in our society, are another reflection of what just happened in American politics and reasons why.
Unfortunately, right across the Western world, they still have the education system pinned down.

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read-the show may be realistic in some ways ie, telling the -truth-, and you slackjaws already know we do not allow that kind of thing with truth and facts that we do not like.
EXACTLY

Those people disgust me.

If the show were about neanderthals they would criticize it for failing to show women executives or something.

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If the show were about neanderthals they would criticize it for failing to show women executives or something.




worse...you could bet by then that Neanderthals would be a entitled whiny minority lobby group.

Neanderthal would probably actually be an N-word that only Neanderthals were allowed to utter.
Everybody would be frantically searching their genealology for their 1/64th one-drop Neanderthal blood...for the incredible breaks and freebees, and so you can blame all of your shyt and evertime you ever stubbed your toe, on how badly everybody has treated Neanderthals historically.

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Neanderthal would probably actually be an N-word that only Neanderthals were allowed to utter.
Everybody would be frantically searching their genealology for their 1/64th one-drop Neanderthal blood...for the incredible breaks and freebees, and so you can blame all of your shyt and evertime you ever stubbed your toe, on how badly everybody has treated Neanderthals historically.

Perfectly said.
Agreed.

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I'm a feminist, but I understand what you're saying. I saw some great feminism in the show, actually. The women could be more badass than the men, really. Love her or hate her, Gemma was a strong female character, who definitly challenged what a woman "should" be.

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Yeah, Gemma didn't take sh*t from anyone, that is for sure. She had self control issues at times and flew off the handle sometimes, but so did Tig. And Jax also was victim of his own emotions at times.
The article also ignored other strong women in the show. Like the female sheriff for example.

This show is about a subculture which includes a subset of women who for whatever reasons want to be submissive to bikers. If the writers made the women independent and equal, it wouldn't be about the subculture they chose to write the story around.
It is a real subculture. There are elements of the story which stretch reality quite a bit , like the amount of violence which law enforcement looked the other way on, but it is based on realism with respect to biker culture.

This is what irritates me. This cultural current which demands all expression, including artistic expression, must conform only to certain stereotypes and seeks to punish those which fail to meet those standards or align with a particular agenda.

Do they really think that women will be injured or changed because of this show? Do they think all guys will run out and become criminal bikers who commit mass murder? Where is the evidence of this? Millions of people viewed this series and I have seen no evidence that the viewers became whores and hardened criminals.

This cultural current is bizarre and does not deserve to be taken seriously. It includes a bunch of passive aggressive college students who fake injury, claiming to be injured by seeing the name of a political candidate they don't like. The histrionics they display when in front of a camera are laughable. They are professional victims, finding offense where none exists, inventing it when it isn't there.
I half expect them to protest snow since it is only white; that is how ridiculous they act.

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Actually if the women were all upstanding and moral goody two-shoes, they would write articles moaning about that.

that the bad-guys and badness and being a bad asse were not equal-opportunity on the show.

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What a load of tripe. Screams 'gender studies' bullsh/t to me. Totally missing the point of the show

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Agreed. I think the author is one of that crowd, pushing this narrative continually, finding offense everywhere, inventing it when it doesn't exist. It is part of a passive aggressive strategy to control others. It is a form of censorship, part of a social engineering thing.

As they have taken it to the extremes they have become like the boy who cried wolf. People are sick of them and this article shows why.

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No one cares if some tït head thinks the show is sexist

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You're right that not many sane people agree, and ergo, we should not care.

Some Left-wing college feminist flake should not have been able to outrage us all like she just did.

I just saw a news story last night, two activists re cops kind of stopping and searching in trouble-spot crime areas, in this case an area with a lot of African immigrants, and a lot of trouble.

The female was introduced as "completing her PhD in racial profiling by police"

This is why China makes everthing that we buy, and lends all of the money which we in USA and the West borrows .
Because in their colleges an schools, they turn out people who can make that stuff and do that stuff.

We in ours, turn out *beep* idiots , " PhDs"...like these other examples.

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Ironically, it costs such an insane amount of money to go to college in the US. People get into debt for life. Maybe they should sue for fraud?

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Yes, apparently it does cost an insane amount of money, but not necessarily for everbody.

As for suing for fraud...it would be a complex case.The mind boggles.

But, there and all around the Western world, the colleges create enless lists of practically useless, and arguably even destructive, idiotic courses.

I guess one defence is that some idiot still has to come along and sign up for that.

And then you get a PhD in "racial profiling by police".

But for her part, she probably does very nicely, she is either employed and paid via some taxpayer funded grant...or she works for the colleges themselves, fulltime or consulting, getting paid for writing brain-dead papers and doing lectures, all at reasonable pay.

If you have to pay via your own money or student loan for this crap in America...imagine what it is like in rest of Western world, where more often that not, college tuition itself is fee-free.
For every one of these F-wits America thus produces, most of us are probably funding the production of 2 or 3 of them.

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My guess is that 'racial profiling' would be the topic of the thesis, but the degree itself is criminology or sociology

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I hope so, because criminology at least seems of some use and a fascinating subject.

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Maybe they should sue for fraud?

I have thought that same thing. Students are talked into choosing majors like "gender studies" or various other theories which have no real world use. And they pile up an insane level of college debt in the process.
The only place they can get a job is teaching the same thing to other students, or in some government job created to employ people with that major.

They would be better off going to a trade school, learning to be a machinist or something else that produces things of value which people need.

Also, at trade schools, they would not be taught to be mentally ill people, skilled in taking offense at everything, and cry bullying to get their way.

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There are a lot of subjects which are great to study but jobs are very scarce -- anything artistic for example. However, at least they give a set of skills that can be transferable.
However, 'gender studies' or 'queer studies' -- i wonder what does one imagine doing with this when applying for university.

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However, 'gender studies' or 'queer studies' -- i wonder what does one imagine doing with this when applying for university.


Exactly. Students know how much they are going in debt to study. I mean if they are very wealthy and can pay for it up front, and don't need to work and want to major in gender studies or queer studies, fine.
But who can ethically advise anyone to take those majors when students are going deep into debt to study them?
I also wonder what practical use they have. Do companies hire them in their HR departments? That is about the only job I can imagine this major finding any kind of utility. Even there it seems to narrow a field for that job. Most people are not queer.

From a broader perspective, it seems to me that universities are encouraging mental illness in students by promoting safe spaces, and enabling the most childish, demanding behavior.

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More sexist *beep* Give me a *beep* break.

This is as bad as the people crying racist all the time now.

How did Tara portraying negative stereotypes? For the longest time she was a strong female character who was a smart and sexy doctor. She just happened to be in love with a criminal and mostly looked past his violence tendencies and his dangerous lifestyle until the final season when she was strong enough to say enough was enough. Even willing to give up and go to prison as long as her children were safe.

Lol, at first, I thought the name of the article was "sexiest show of all time"

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This is as bad as the people crying racist all the time now.


Exactly. Leftists see racism everywhere, and invent it where it doesn't exist. Same with those crying sexism. It is like a compulsion for them. They assume it is there when it isn't, and pretend it is there when they know it isn't, when any honest person would know it isn't.

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you would enjoy articles written here by people like Rita Panahi and Peta Credlin.

Both women, the first one an Iranian immigrant .

She has a Twitter page too, where she tweets about these morons.Doing it from the perspective of someone who checks most 'victimhood boxes" herself.

middle-eastern,woman, ex-muslim (she describes her school years in Revolutionary Iran, chanting "Down down Amlika!!" in class each morning, as everyone had to do) refugee, single mother (albeit financially successful)

What this all means is she drives the Left Kommentariat insane.
On her resume, she is supposed to be on their side.She should be one of their moaning minority clients.

Instead they get crazy and send her really nasty, potty-mouthed and abusive hate-tweets all day.

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Thanks, I just checked out Rita's twitter page. good stuff

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Keep in mind, not all us feminists are like the author of that article.

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I like to hope not.

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not all us feminists are like the author of that article.
Sure I know that. You are right to be concerned that people realize this of course.

I know that the few visible representatives of any large group are not representative of all members of the group. They are probably not representative of the average member, or even most members.
Usually the people who get articles published, or get invited on television news shows or opinion shows are those who say sensationalist things, or who are outlandish in some way. They get higher ratings. They are not a good example of the group as a whole.

Any large group has a broad range of people with different points of view. Usually there is one common area of agreement, but sometimes even there is a broad range of opinions on the unifying issue.

When I am critical of members of a group, I try not to refer to those particular people as if they are the larger group.
Actually I am pretty good about qualifying, i.e. using a modifying phrase such as "militant, activist" in front of the group name so avoid unfairly labeling other members of the group. It is the generally the publicly visible subset, those everyone is familiar with are the ones I talk about and am often critical of.

For reasons already mentioned, people often view all feminists as similar to the ones they know about; which are often just the ones on TV, the famous authors, etc. People assume that these famous or public feminists are leaders of the movement and are fairly representative of the group as a whole. While this might be true sometimes, it is more often false.

People make such assumptions unconsciously. But anyone who stops to think about it ought to realize how flawed such assumptions are, as they know that even very small associations they belong to are comprised of many grades and types of people, personalities, points of view.

But the public or famous subsets of groups, while not representative of all members, have enormous influence upon the rest of them, and frequently upon society as a whole.

e.g. I saw video of a lesbian lawyer speaking to a LGBT group, and she was saying the gay marriage issue is a red herring, a stepping stone so to speak. She said the real goal is to do away with the institution of marriage altogether. People would just be with people they love but there would be no legal recognition of their union. I don't know why her group of people think this is a better way. She seemed very angry. I wondered whether her motivation is revenge against a system she views as oppressive, as opposed to a desire to come up with a better workable system. I think it is the former.
I don't think she has any chance of achieving this any time soon.
But even as crazy as this idea sounds to most people today, because this woman has an alpha personality, is willing to stand up and give speeches to large groups of people, her ideas have been transmitted to thousands of people, perhaps more.
But presently anyway, I don't believe this woman's goals or views are representative of gay people as a whole.
The people who write articles, go on talk shows, shout through speakers to street crowds, etc. wind up having great influence, and spread their viewpoints. They usually have stronger personalities, are more charismatic. The majority of people are more easily led by the activist subset.

I guess that is why I feel compelled to criticize such people, and such subsets of larger groups, when I see them putting out crazy, dumb ideas, or misrepresenting issues or people.

Sorry, sometimes I get really long winded, trying to fine tune my points.

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I also feel the need to say this: there are very many conservative extremists putting lots of incredibly ridiculous ideas out there. I have seen time and time again conservatives complain about how, say, Christianity is being disrepected, and gays are ruining America. What faith doesn't get disrespected? And it's usually Christians doing the disrespecting. With all due respect to good Christians, I have seen so many use religion to discriminate in many ways. Often, those people are the so-called Christians. And how are gays hurting our country? Gays are hurting this country less than TV is. Speaking of TV, it's not just left-wingers complaining. Many conservatives complain about how TV should be wholesome, with actors who should help parents raise their kids under the job description known as "role model." And this talk of the education system.... some on the right would like to see public schools a thing of the past. Why? So very many can't afford private schools or homeschooling. Now in regards to the victim card, so many play that card. Period. I consider myself a fighter against racism. However, I agree some gp too far. "Star Wars" isn't racist. Still, racism - and sexism - are still major issues today. And what about those making a big deal out of some of us saying "Happy Holidays!" instead of "Merry Christmas!"? I am not saying you're one of these kind of people. I'm just saying this: not all feminists are like that pne woman, and some conservatives freak out over nothing. I hope you understand this post. It's time all of us - no matter what our political views are - must start working together.

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Take the "must" out, and overlook the other typos. Damn this cell I'm on! Here's a good political statment: cell phones are beneath computers when it comes to surfing the Web. There, I said it.

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cell phones are beneath computers when it comes to surfing the Web. There, I said it.


yeah, I won't use one for that, all my posting is from home.

But even on PC, Yahoo.com boards are hell to make work..just maybe loaded with so much crap, so many players playing suff at once you did not ask for, so many Flash players or wtf they are, that your PC even just cannot load and stabilise the pages, it logjams everything...

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What faith doesn't get disrespected? And it's usually Christians doing the disrespecting. With all due respect to good Christians


yes...but a very common complaint is that the people who get up in the morning to diss xianity, then get up the next day to finger-wag to those dissing certain other non-xian religions.

Hebdo did not, they seemed to be equal opportunity in ridicule.Which is fair enough.(you can overdo it, imo, there is no point abusing people of xian faith for the sake of it, no point in abusing what are often obviously very decent people who have never hurt anyone.)

But as I saw Graham Brooks remark on PBS Newshour...
to effect,
"Je suis Charlie" etc...ha!"... "Hebdo would have been shut down in one hour on any college campus in America...."

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And how are gays hurting our country?

I don't think most people think gays are hurting the country per se. But the militant gays who push political correctness to the point of censoring people, or getting them fired over what they feel are insensitive or bigoted opinions or attitudes, real or imagined, and report fake hate crimes etc. are tearing down the country.
One lesbian lawyer was videoed speaking to a crowd; she admitted that the whole gay marriage issue is a red herring. She said the plan is to tear down the institution of marriage until it is gone completely.
Forgetting for the moment how likely or not that is to happen, their plan is the destruction of society as we know it, not a fight for equal rights.

There are a lot of very angry people on the left who want revenge for imagined wrongs against people who have done nothing against them. Presently they are teaching children as young as 6 years old that being white is bad and they should feel guilty for being born that way.

People are tired of the fake hate crimes, false leftist narratives and libel campaigns. When I saw the Salon article it irritated me.
These leftist cry-bully types even try to tell writers that they cannot show realism in a show about a subset of society, motorcycle clubs and their hangers on.



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While there are some gays who exaggerate some things, homophobia is still an issue. Some of what many in the LGBT community cry out about may be "imagined" (this happens in basically every group, though, doesn't it?), many in that community face lots of discrimination still. Out of curiosity I ask, what have the LGBT community been complaining about that you're referring to? The fight for gays to marry is a red herring how? It is incredibly ridiculous that gays haven't been allowed to marry everywhere to begin with. And what imagined wrongs in general are you referring to? You say 6-year-olds are being taught that being white is bad and that they should feel guilty for being born white. I see people on the right complain so much about this, yet I have never seen a real argument for that. Like I said, "Star Wars" isn't racist, contrary to what some have said, and that irked me. But I don't blame people of different colors as a whole, which I have noticed many (especially in my small hick area) like to do. Aside from a few fanatics (which most certainly exist on the right in many ways - they exist everywhere), it seems to me that many really do just want equality. Many blacks aren't going on about the slavery thing to make people feel guilty. It's just we must be reminded of that horrible time. Now, of course, some blacks will want you to feel guilty because they themselves are racist, which is horrible. But that's just a few. One guy I know is a major and VERY proud racist. He is racist because his sister was raped by black men, which led to her husband murdering her. While him being angry over her being raped is certainly understandable, two questions must be asked: Is every single black person at fault? And why didn't the her white husband murdering her cause him to hate white people? No, not every black person is to blame for her being raped and eventually murdered. And some will say when answering the second question "This guy is white himself." Yes. So? Just because he isn't black doesn't mean him and the blacks aren't the same.... you know, we're all human. Well, I consider myself half-human and half-alien, but that's another discussion. I get that you're not saying you feel like some of these racist people, like the guy I mentioned. But some could mistake your comments as being racist. Then again, misunderstanding is partly why people fight so much. Everyone - the gays and straights, the blacks and whites, the religious and nonreligious, and the liberals and conservatives - all need to get together and start communicating better.

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Have you heard a term 'weapons of mass distraction'? Gays are a minority. Whatever they do, does not affect the majority on the slightest. Yet people are effectively at each others' throats over something that doesn't concern them, while happily paying taxes to fund a war in a very remote land and other crap.

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Yet people are effectively at each others' throats over something that doesn't concern them, while happily paying taxes to fund a war in a very remote land and other crap.


one issue with the gay marriage thing , is that it is likely to be exploited by certain other cultural groups wanting to vary the legal definitions of marriage..


the proponents of course, either deny that this can or will happen, then don't elaborate why not...or they go

"well, we don't know that that will happen" ...(great Progressive dodge-phrase)

the other aggravating aspect, is the way the Clinton Progressive types also seem to assume, that gay people themselves are all pre-occupied with this *beep* issue, and will vote for any idiot who has it as part of their package, regardless of other issues.

For example...what if you were gay, believed in gay marriage...but were also "Islamophobic" as the Clinton-ites call anybody who does not want our society Islamized, or who even wants immigration by muslims given a haircut.
I'll guarantee there are gay people who do..who are in many ways conservative, in fact.
But these F-wits assume that gay people are all militant activists and one-issue voters who automatically vote for them.
BTW, I don't care what anyone's sexual proclivity is, provided consenting adult and not constituting a public health risk.There always has been homosexuality, and there always will be.You cannot 'cure' or 'treat' it with prayers and Jesus.

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Here's another grimace of today's political climate. Pitch two 'hard-done-by' minorities against each other. Meanwhile, the real issues, e.g. child abuse, get effectively swept under the carpet. Don't know much about America, but its very evident in Britain.

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Pitch two 'hard-done-by' minorities against each other.



chuckles..

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But these F-wits assume that gay people are all militant activists and one-issue voters who automatically vote for them.


True. I think those F-wits actually promote the idea that gay people are all militant activists and one-issue voters.
If gay people think everyone else is on the one issue bandwagon, they may, for example, feel pressured to support the Clinton progressive types even though that means supporting the inclusion of Sharia law in the American judicial system. (don't laugh, there are plenty of cases where American judges used Sharia in forming their decisions, supported by Dems).

It is like the "group think, global values" curriculum which has been destroying the education system in America. They don't want to produce students with critical thinking skills, they want students who place high value on group conformity, who have been indoctrinated with progressive values, ideas, and beliefs. They use behavioral conditioning science to get everyone saying the "correct" things. Peer pressure, ridicule and other means are brought to bear on resistant students.

It is difficult to talk to students who have been indoctrinated this way. If you express an opinion at odds with the approved viewpoint they were taught, they resort to labeling you as some "-ist", racist sexist, or some kind of -phobe. It is difficult to lead them into a congenial honest discussion. They were not taught "everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion", "to each his own", and to have respect for others.

If you express a non-progressive opinion you are viewed as an enemy. They believe your opinion constitutes an assault on them. So they feel justified in attacking you, sometimes even physically. And then they feel proud about doing so.

It is really bizarre. It is so bizarre it seems like something you might see in an old science fiction movie about mind controlled people. Plan 9 From Outer Space or something. It would be funny if it were not really happening.


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The fight for gays to marry is a red herring how?

I was referring to what a militant lesbian lawyer said to a crowd of lesbian and gay people. She portrayed the gay marriage issue as a stepping stone in a strategy to destroy the institution of marriage.
As I said before, I don't think most people (like me) think that gays are hurting the country. I said it is the militant activists (like that lesbian lawyer) and those who report fake hate crimes and people like that who want to tear things down and create fights and division who are hurting the country.
I didn't imply that all gays are doing this stuff. But the vocal, activist, militant, angry subset don't seem to want equality at all; they seem to want revenge. They seem to want to dictate behavior and speech to religious people, to tear down institutions, to censor speech they don't like, etc.
It doesn't take a large percentage to have a powerful effect, particularly if their narratives are taken up and promoted by the media. Countries have been taken over by a mere 3% of the population. (Not implying these people are starting an armed revolution or anything like that. Just making the point that a small active group can have a huge impact upon a whole country.)
I don't think most people have any problem with gays having equal rights. Granted there are some, there always are. No matter who you are, there will always be some people who don't like what they think you stand for, what they perceive you to be, etc. I have heard comments about me at times by various sorts.
But the law generally protects against them. And probably most gays don't want to create division, they just want to live their lives like everyone else.

You say 6-year-olds are being taught that being white is bad and that they should feel guilty for being born white. I see people on the right complain so much about this, yet I have never seen a real argument for that.
Well the anti white meme is being taught in schools, that is not hard to verify. I even read of a class of kindergarten kids who were subjected to this crap. They were segregated, the white kids didn't get any cupcakes and were subjected to some white privilege dogma. If you really want me to I will search for the report on it again and post a link.
See, there are leftists who don't want equality and good relations between the races as they claim to want; they want division and revenge. What did those children do to anyone? Nothing, but because the leftists are angry about how black kids were made to feel in schools in the past they want revenge, at least that is how it appears to me. That only perpetuates problems, it doesn't fix them. There is no end to that kind of thing when it is handled like that.
I don't say that everyone on the left wants revenge, but there are definitely people in decision and policy making positions who are pushing for it.
Check what I said before, I stipulated that it was a particular subset I was talking about. They may defend their actions and portray themselves as wanting equality because they know to use the right language. But look at what they say when they don't know the cameras are rolling, look at what their policies are, look at their actions.
This small core group which has the power to promote policies into schools, push narratives in the media, have tremendous influence. Young people often follow them without giving much thought to what it is they are being roped into.
Most gays, most blacks, most whites, most people of about any group are not seeking division, or would not if not taught to by people in power with destructive agendas.
But every fake news story about discrimination or police brutality which is promoted to advance a narrative promoting division convinces more young people to buy into that crap. The truth never gets the coverage that the sensational fake news gets.

Some troubled young person gets arrested for something, bashes his head against the wall while in jail and claims the police did it: big news story. Later it comes out he didn't realize there was video of him bashing his own head against the wall in jail. That story is buried. The net result is more people believe the police beat up a gay guy. Now there is more distrust and anger. Who benefits? (That was a real thing that happened)

I never said I was talking about the whole gay community. But these fake stories impact the whole community, gay and straight. The kid who did that was obviously troubled, but those who promoted the story and didn't correct it are evil. For whatever reasons, they WANT division and distrust and anger.

But some could mistake your comments as being racist. Then again, misunderstanding is partly why people fight so much. Everyone - the gays and straights, the blacks and whites, the religious and nonreligious, and the liberals and conservatives - all need to get together and start communicating better.

We do need to communicate well. It is a good thing to hear other people's genuine points of view. We can all learn from each other that way. I appreciate your honesty and your opinions.

But the agitators, the promoters of division and distrust, don't want good communication. You could tell I didn't include myself with the racists. But there are some people who will want to interpret what I said as racist, though they know it was not what I meant. That kind of intentional wrong interpretation makes communication impossible. There is no good will when someone intentionally infers a different meaning to your words. I have tried to talk to people who did that, giving them the benefit of the doubt; maybe they really didn't understand me. But they continued to do it, even mocking me. They had no intention of understanding what I really meant. It was like their goal was to label me a racist simply because we had different opinions.
That is the kind of thing which tears down relations, prevents understanding and dialogue.
That fake racist labeling thing is far too common. It increases distrust, division, and anger. It destroys and prevents communication and good relations. I think it is also being promoted by those activists who seem to want racial tension, for whatever purpose it serves for them. Though a small group, they are influential. There is now a cultural current promoting division. Young people are learning to simply label you as racists, sexists, whatever-ists if they don't like your opinion on an issue, instead of having an honest dialogue. They are learning to avoid honest discussions by labeling.

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some on the right would like to see public schools a thing of the past.


There are plenty of conservatives who object to public schools because of the present state of public schools, but not to the idea of public schooling per se. Granted, I have seen soundbites of some on TV news which don't convey that distinction clearly.


One big objection to present day public schools is that the federal government has become involved. Education is legally the function of State and local governments. There is a danger in having a small group of people controlling the curriculum of the entire nation.

The trends in school curriculum developed by national education leaders and disseminated into the public school systems across the nation fail to educate students in basics. for example:
The old curriculum placed a priority on performance, the new one places a priority on self-image as the generator of performance. The result is that
American high school students used to be among the best in the world, but currently they score much lower than most developed nations in all categories but one: self esteem.
They cannot perform well on tests, but they think they are doing fine. Whatever the motivation for this new paradigm, the results are disastrous. And they are nationwide.

There is a coordinated effort to desensitize students to their parents' values and traditional ways of living. Factual based learning has been discarded in favor of indoctrination with "approved" ideas, values, beliefs.

"What's happening in America today ...is a total transformation of our society. We have moved into a new era..... The revolution...in curriculum is that we no longer are teaching facts to children." [Dr. Shirley McCune addressing the 1989 Governor's Conference on Education]
(education defined as vehicle to change society as opposed to imparting facts and skills)

Students are taught to place high value on group conformity. Those who resist adopting the new values, those who want to retain traditional values, are ridiculed, not just by their teachers. Other students are encouraged to use peer pressure on them.
Traditional values are challenged, then teachers produce cognitive dissonance, a form of mental confusion and emotional tension caused by incompatible values. Finally a new response is elicited and rewarded, relieving the confusion and emotional tension.

They are taught to feel as opposed to being taught critical thinking skills. The new goal of education is to change society via indoctrination of students; the goal of education used to be to teach students facts, analytical linear thinking skills, critical thinking skills, science, history, literature, composition, grammar, etc.


"You can only have a new society... if you change the education of the younger generation...." Marilyn Ferguson

"The purpose of education and the schools is to change the thoughts, feelings and actions of students." Professor Benjamin Bloom


Socialization--the "right" attitudes, beliefs, and behavior--has replaced academics as the main outcome of education. In spite of the nice-sounding promises, individualism is out; group thinking and universal values are in. The minds of children are being molded through the latest techniques in behavioral psychology. The focus is on molding the beliefs and attitudes, and to teach group thinking/ group conformity, rather than on literacy, comprehension, and fact based learning.

These changes in education come from national and international educators, not local teachers. Local teachers are mostly good people who are simply following the curriculum which is handed down to them.
But the results are devastating to the students; they have poor academic performance. Many college students must take remedial courses before they can begin taking freshman classes, so many that it has become a news item.
The 'group think' and 'global values' training, and deficit in critical thinking skills, produces people whose behavior can be predictably controlled. The Nazi and Communist school systems used similar methods for indoctrination and control of the people.

Conservatives want public schools to focus on academics, not social engineering or indoctrination.

It is hard to do justice to this issue in a short note. I only included a couple of quotes, and did not provide references. It would just take too much space to do that here.

Re: Sons of Anarchy is the most sexist show on television - says Salon m

I would not consider this show sexist by any means. There are many strong female characters in this show. It was probably unrealistic that Gemma had as much control over the club as she did.


You could say the show is meant to be a reflection of the motorcycle gang culture, which may itself be sexist. But even so, Sons of Anarchy has the opportunity to rise above any culturally-entrenched sexism. Instead, the show continues to miss the mark by keeping women boxed into stereotypical roles.


People want to see a dramatic show about biker gangs, not a dramatic show about fake politically correct unrealistic biker gangs.

Theres a strong difference between a show being sexist and a show having characters that are sexist. There are many sexist characters on this show, but the show doesnt portray their opinions as "correct".

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Agreed.
One of the reasons I like the show as much as I do is because it isn't politically correct. It has realism.

I figured most people would agree with me on this post. Snowflakes probably never watched the show.

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How could you possibly try to do a TV show realistically about a Mortorcycle Club like the Hell's Angels, and not display a little sexism during it? Let me guess, the Mini Series Roots, is racist, right?

Rylant

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Donna was a strong female character that I think had a feminist quality about her. The same with Wendy. Wendy wasn't so strong at first, though. Still.

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People want to see a dramatic show about biker gangs, not a dramatic show about fake politically correct unrealistic biker gangs.

Indeed.
This show is great. Blacks can call whites honkeys or crackers, and whites can call blacks Buckwheat, and neither of them are upset about it. It is just tough talk but doesn't mean anything.
Nobody gets "offended", and nobody cries "racism". These are normal people, not the politically correct, snowflake, victims found in the media and on college campuses.

It is a welcome relief to see normal people who can trash talk without going ballistic and screaming about "-isms" and claiming to be injured by such talk.

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Interestingly enough, the was no Confederate flag in sight. Anywhere

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Yeah,it is strongly associated with slavery and the civil war (though it also has older benign associations, much less well known today). It has come to be associated almost entirely with slavery today in the public mind.
The MC was clearly not a racist bunch, though they might use trash talk terms back and forth with other groups. It wouldn't make sense for them to use the confederate flag.

Nobody used the word eff you see kay (you know the one) either, even though there was plenty of cussing and vulgar language. I don't think network television is the place for the f word; parents would complain if their kids picked it up from TV.
I don't know why the public objects to that word on TV, but they don't get upset over shyt and other cuss words.

It would be interesting to sit in on the discussions the writers and the network execs and lawyers must have had about what is considered too controversial or offensive and what isn't.
I bet they do lots of polling and use test audiences to figure out what turns off the audience and what doesn't bother them..

Re: Sons of Anarchy is the most sexist show on television - says Salon m

On dvd extras there were commentaries. It was said that the F word was not allowed on television. Not that much because of kids (its not a family-friendly show anyway), but because of classification, segmenting and advertising.

As for the flag, its quite a popular symbol in the biker culture. Its only the very recent shooting that made it 'wrong'. My American friends have given me quite a few items with it in the past.

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As for the flag, its quite a popular symbol in the biker culture.


Yeah, but in the past couple of decades there have been movements to remove the flag from from southern State governments which used to fly it. Certain political groups made a media push to associate the flag with racism and slavery. The flag became "not politically correct" so to speak.

Bikers like it because it denotes rebellion against the government, independence, etc. And they don't give a *beep* about political correctness, which is just a form of censorship and control.

I am guessing the writers kept it out of the show to avoid bad press from the political groups which oppose the flag.
The MC was based in California which is far removed from the southern States which flew the flag, so it could be argued that the flag did not have as much meaning for the people out there on the west coast. I mean the producers of the show could make that argument if asked why they did not include the flag.

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Bikers like it because it denotes rebellion against the government, independence, etc.


same, re truckers


and connotations of Nashville-genre music i think, also comes in..
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