Moon : "He's a whacko or an illegal immigrant." What??????

"He's a whacko or an illegal immigrant." What??????

I liked this film, but this was said as the very last line of the film and I am still scratching my head trying to figure out WTF was that was even supposed to mean.

There was live video feed of the station correct? The original Sam could easily be found correct? So obviously everything the clone said could be proven so why would anyone call him a whacko and even more puzzling is why anyone would call him an illegal immigrant? What a stupid end cap for an otherwise good film.

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I thought the exact same thing. But I guess the point being made was that people on earth will doubt his story and there will always be a question mark over his head as to whether he was telling the truth and in fact a clone. The real Sam will be out there but I guess people could just think they are identical twins, not clones, and one has lost the plot. As for an 'illegal immigrant' ... I have no idea

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that line was supposed to be uttered by a radio-jockey like Rush Limbaugh, those types that wont see the truth when its smacking them in the face

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I doubt that, perhaps you are just a partisan person who sees everything through a partisan lens? If that is what it was about then that is pretty stupid, especially since the rest of the movie had nothing to do with anything like that.

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yes, but in this case the radio guy might actually accidentally have a good point.

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I agree. There are lots of people that don't believe in the moon landing, evolution, that the Earth is older than 3000 years, etc., just as there are radio talk jockeys that speak to those groups.

That is what I took from that line; he was addressing those that did not believe Sam 2's story, and set out to discredit him by vilifying him.

In addition, this movie came out at a time when illegal immigrant mania was reaching unprecedented levels in the US. (Remember Arizona SB 1070 (2010) and the uproar that caused?)


"Arguing with idiots is like trying to play chess with a pigeon..."

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...he was addressing those that did not believe Sam 2's story...

I think you mean Sam-6's story.

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uh, what do I know ?!?

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well excuse me, i didnt expect to offend you when describing Limbaugh.

your point is that the truth is easy to access because of overwhelming proof, which i was trying to explain with the radio jockey, i mean, you are scratching your head thinking WTF, why would he say that, right? so the radio guy is wrong.
BUT;
I think phantom's point about him being accidentally right was, because Sam is actually a clone and by definition illegal (assuming society still condemns human cloning) and also an immigrant since hes not originally from Earth.
But i dont think that thats what the radio guy really wanted to say if he knew that he was a clone from the Moon, thats not really how you welcome Aliens, albeit clone slaves, but then again, he sounded kinda angry towards immigrants too (hence the Limbaugh reference).

In the ending there is also a sentence about Lunar stocks dropping, so there is another side to Sam's return, one that does believe him.

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Well, first off, I wasn't offended, and if I did get offended it would never be because of an insult towards a political demagogue that I don't even listen to, I'm aware of him but certainly not a fan.

I don't care much for politics at all on either side of the aisle as it brings out the worst in people, which is all the more reason I get mad when it's slipped into films, I go to media for entertainment, to get away from all that venomous rhetoric I hear everywhere else.

If your film is specifically about politics and everyone knows that going in, fine, I'm certainly not suggesting a person can't make a political film, just declare it beforehand.

Finally, while I don't fall on any particular political side, and I certainly am not going to get roped into a political argument, I do feel some need to call people out on either side when they blatantly lie about the other side, most I know are not opposed to immigrants, they are opposed to illegal aliens, there is a huge difference and people deliberately equate the two, it's a cheap tactic and a stellar example of why I hate politics, people always have to twist the truth to demonize their opponents and then there can be no such thing as civil debate.

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But these Mexicans, doe?

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I agree with everything you said. I watch movies and tv shows to get entertained as well, if i go in knowing it's a political movie, well that's one thing. Having political views thrown in when it's not a political movie is just silly and wrong.

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i think that last line is excellent, and elevates the film even further. in just a few words it raises another set of issues that hasn't been addressed and puts a new spin on the ending.

without it, you're left assuming that sam returns, exposes the bad guys, and lives happily ever after on a hawaiian beach. with it, you have to realize that he's not necessarily going to be welcomed with open arms and has a further struggle ahead of him and maybe you'd like to know how that turns out.

yes, the moon now has a live feed (at least until two minutes after the company gets wind of the clone making it to earth). that doesn't necessarily mean anybody can dial the moon base and chat to verify that the story is true.

and finally, he is an immigrant (illegal or not) since he's never been to earth before. his story is going to sound pretty far-fetched too, to your typical earthling.

it's a totally believable rant.

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There were several discussions going on about it prior to that which illustrated what you are saying, and with those I agree with you, I was specifically referring to the last line which was completely out of place and seemed like someone just threw it in their at the last minute to make some silly political statement which most certainly was not in line with the rest of the film.

Again now, I'm not taking any sides here in the politics but I doubt anyone would call a clone an "illegal alien", I mean for sure lots of people would have moral conflicts about cloning in and of itself, but I don't see the immigrant connection.

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The radio guy just sounded like a blowhard.

anyway, the part where the jockey calls Sam a wacko, is in itself a dismissal of Sam, the fact that he then also calls him an illegal immigrant only confirms how little the jockey actually knows.

The Moon is not a place one simply immigrates from, not even in the movie's Universe, because as far as we know, the Sam's are the only living things on there, but of kept simple, you could call it immigrating.
Being a clone doesnt just identify as being illegal, this falls under many more legislations other than a simple legal or illegal matter, but if you keep it simple, clones remain illegal (assuming Moon's people also condemn cloning).

So, the radio guy is accidentally sorta right in calling him an illegal immigrant, but is wrong in his definition of it because he dismisses Sam for being a wacko, so the only option that the radio guy could have in mind is the usual country to country with normal human beings immigration, thus not grasping the truth.

Which is understandable eventually, because despite the dropped stocks because of the presumed cloning controversy, the movie never tells us about the final verdict of Sam's trial, that Sam has to testify for, granting both sides to have their say in the end scene of the movie.
Its a mystery to what happens with the evidence.

But to us it sounds moronic because weve just watched Sam undergo all of this before landing on Earth, which explains your confusion.

i dont think the movie specifically tried to suddenly put some political agenda in there, other than trying to expose the duality in which things usually go in our society.

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Of course he's from earth. He's a human, and humans come from earth. He was just illegally transported through his DNA by a corporation only interested in profits. He was a slave and if Earth still has human rights then, they would be going against that.

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oh really? how can sam be from a place he's never been?

my computer was manufactured in china from a design created in the usa. does that mean this is an american computer?

sam is a slave? oh really? is he bought, sold, or forced to do anything against his will? if so, i missed that part.

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sam is a slave? oh really? is he bought, sold, or forced to do anything against his will? if so, i missed that part.


He was "forced" through elaborate deception--i.e. false memories were implanted in his clone mind, to make him think he was up there for three years on a contract, for which he'd "return" to Earth with a big paycheck at the end. So he felt obligated to work there as instructed because his brain was programmed to think he was under a contract obligation which he "remembered" agreeing to, in exchange for pay--just as we all feel obligation to do the work of our jobs which we remember signing employment contracts to do, in exchange for the pay we will receive for that work next payday. Difference is, we actually did sign such contracts, but Sam did not. And when the three years came due he was slated to be killed by his employer rather than getting paid and "returning" to Earth.

Now technically that may not be "slavery"--or at least not exactly congruent to the examples of slavery we're most familiar with from history--but what else exactly would you call it?

Was he "bought" or "sold"? Not exactly, but certainly "owned" by the corporation (perhaps the original Sam got some compensation for giving the corporation rights to clone himself and use those clones--if so then he was essentially "bought" and "sold", akin perhaps to parents selling their child into slavery). "Forced to do anything against his will"? Why yes--because he never actually signed any contract to work for this corporation, but was made to believe (by false memories) that he did. And of course the corporation never planned to actually pay him, because there wasn't really a contract. Would you willfully work for three years if you knew your employer would kill you at the end of it, and not pay you? Of course not. Nobody would. Hence the elaborate deception designed specifically to make him believe that wouldn't happen, as firmly as we believe we'll get paid for the 40 hours or more of work we do every week (and not get killed by our employer when they're done with us)--that belief probably being the only thing keeping us there, right? Hence the elaborate deception, to essentially make him do something that would be against his will without that complete and willful deception on their part. At the very least, he did not--could not--give his informed consent.

The corporation essentially had him captive under their complete control (how could he get away), under circumstances he never actually agreed to (although he was made to believe he had). They used his body for three years, then would kill and dispose of that body (as they had with the other clones) when the radiation broke it down. He was essentially treated as just another piece of equipment, in a planned, scheduled, and very much premeditated fashion that hinged on planting false memories in his head that made him believe he rightfully belonged there.

They had a whole stock of Sam clones warehoused under the base, for the purpose of having and using human labor that they would not have to pay.

I'd say characterizing this as "slavery" is close enough to the mark, at least for purposes of moral judgement anyway.


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good answer.

is trickery the same as force? maybe - i think you can make a good case for it.

on the other hand, the company does manufacture the clones, so they have a pretty solid claim to own their creations. it all depends on whether you grant human clones human rights. if you don't, they're just biological machines - built to last three years and then disposed of, quickly, cleanly and painlessly.

what's the difference between a sam clone and gerty, really? they're both manufactured, programmed, and will be decommissioned unceremoniously when their time comes.

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what's the difference between a sam clone and gerty, really? they're both manufactured, programmed, and will be decommissioned unceremoniously when their time comes.
That's indeed the essential question of the movie.

I'd say one major difference is that the Sam clone is being limited in his potential (and hence in his freedom and choices), whereas GERTY was created specifically for service on the moonbase and was fulfilling his potential to the max.

Children could be considered "creations" that are "manufactured" by their parents. In other words, parents have a pretty solid claim to "own" their children. Suppose a child is being conceived by parents, specifically so that the child becomes, say, a perfect concert pianist. So from birth on, everything in his youth, his upbringing, education, interaction with his parents etc. is aimed by his parents at making him a concert pianist. What's the difference between that child and the Sam clone?

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*SPOILER ALERT*

I agree - good answer.

The main difference between the Sam clones and Gerty (apart from the obvious biological/machine difference) is that the Sams are deliberately deceived by the corporation, planted with false memories and killed at the end of their 'contracts'. Gerty is programmed to serve the clones, 'he' is not deceived, he is aware of his true function, his emoticons are there to aid communication with the Sams, he cannot have real emotions like the clones and is not programmed with false memories. In helping Sam5 to escape to Earth and suggesting the re-booting ploy he is simply following his programming. The company did not foresee the circumstances that occur in the movie.

A fascinating film, in that we become emotionally involved with the clones and Gerty and not with the 'real' Sam and his family back on Earth. The tag lines at the end serve to highten the real question - what are the statuses of clones and intelligent machines?

On the other hand - why didn't the company automate the entire energy harvesting project from the outset...? (of course there wouldn't have been a movie at all if they had).😉

Blowin' the changes!

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Being human is not synonymous with being from Earth. Besides which, being from Earth doesn't mean one is from the US.

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Long story short!
Sam made it to Earth. Encountered people, told his story, media intervenes, huge scandal, people call radio stations and tell their views about Sam's story (some say he's a wacko, some say he's illegal immigrant). Antenna goes down, live feed up, Stock shares drops..meaning that "someone big back home" believed the clone.
Happy ending!

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Yes the radio host was like one of those news corporations who only work for one type of political party, who care more about profits of corporations than people. A bit like Fox News etc. As he was already chosen to speak at a legal hearing, his side should be believed.

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Oh brother. FOX news? So I guess MSNBC, CNN, all the rest aren't run by corporations and they don't push propaganda for any political party?

As for caring more about profits than people, everyone one of us works for profit and for ourselves, sure, some people do some charity work, but let's face it, the vast majority of us are not sitting there at our jobs saying "Golly gee, I'm so happy that my work here is helping people", we go in and punch that clock to make money - for ourselves.

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i thought about this as well. But a few things came to mind that the director/writer placed that for me clarified things a bit.
The music sam was listening to was 80's rock, and the TV shows he was watching were 70's 80's re-runs, i think they were there for a purpose to show us that this was not a movie set in our future, but an altered timeline of our present, in which this technology was possible in the 90's/2000's and that there are still paranoid right wing racists living on earth... They should have got a Bill O'Reilly voice impersonator to deliver that last line lol.

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"paranoid right wing racists"

Well, I see you're a deep thinker.

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I don't think it's a goof. I just assumed that he had more options for shows to watch, but he just liked to watch the older shows. Maybe nostalgia for the shows he watched as a kid or something.

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The line seemed to be pretty clearly coming from a Fox News type. The idea is that the people on Earth weren't aware of what the company was doing, specifically using a series of clones to harvest fuel and killing them off every three years.


even more puzzling is why anyone would call him an illegal immigrant?


Well I mean... Technically this is actually true. He was born on the moon and illegally immigrated(he didn't get proper paper work to enter the US).

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The line seemed to be pretty clearly coming from a Fox News type.


A "FOX News Type", well that is exactly what I was complaining about, they suddenly shoe horn in some stupid political crap at the end of a movie that had nothing to do with any of that.



The idea is that the people on Earth weren't aware of what the company was doing, specifically using a series of clones to harvest fuel and killing them off every three years.


OK, I don't disagree with that aspect of it, I'm still not getting any valid explanation as to why the "illegal alien" thing was the final quote to a film that was not trying to make any kind of political statement previously.

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A "FOX News Type", well that is exactly what I was complaining about, they suddenly shoe horn in some stupid political crap at the end of a movie that had nothing to do with any of that.


It isn't political. Not really. It was just showing that despite the fact that the world was more advanced, that the Earth is still more or less the same. Or "The more things change, the more they stay the same." Perhaps you've heard that famous quote. In this case it isn't about right or left, it's about pro or anti corporation.



OK, I don't disagree with that aspect of it, I'm still not getting any valid explanation as to why the "illegal alien" thing was the final quote to a film that was not trying to make any kind of political statement previously.


As I said, it's technically true. He wasn't born in the US, so he isn't naturalized, and he has no parents so he can't claim their nationality.

And this isn't political either, it's just a statement of fact. Sam that returns to Earth has no documentation. He immigrated illegally from the moon, as he never obtained paperwork in order to enter the country legally.

You're looking for political arguments, but the movie takes no stance on politics aside from the fact that it's very clearly against corporate secrecy.

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I think everyone is against corporate secrecy, except the corporations :)

I still say it was just a pointless and completely out of place thing, especially to end the movie on. Just my opinion, obviously others disagree.

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I think everyone is against corporate secrecy, except the corporations


Then you need to take a good hard look around the US. That is clearly not correct. Also, corporations aren't intelligent entities. They're made up of people. People who have a vested interest in maintaining secrecy.



I still say it was just a pointless and completely out of place thing, especially to end the movie on. Just my opinion, obviously others disagree.


You can say it all you like, but sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating the same idea over and over is never going to make it correct.

Others disagree, AND they give reasons for their disagreement. None of which do you combat. You just dismiss other opinions.

It makes perfect sense to close out the movie this way. Just like the closing to The Boondock Saints fits that movie. Note that it's almost exactly the same. In this movie we're given two perspectives on Sam's return. One trusts what he says while the other dismisses his claims. In Boondock Saints we have multiple people being interviewed and giving their opinion on the boys.

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Then you need to take a good hard look around the US. That is clearly not correct. Also, corporations aren't intelligent entities. They're made up of people. People who have a vested interest in maintaining secrecy.


When did I say they weren't made up of people? Show me the people, who aren't politicians or stock holders in the corporation that support corporate secrecy.


You can say it all you like, but sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating the same idea over and over is never going to make it correct. Others disagree, AND they give reasons for their disagreement. None of which do you combat. You just dismiss other opinions.


First off, what's with the hostility all of a sudden? Second....What? I have no idea what you are talking about. This entire film had nothing to do with politics, left wing, right wing or any of that, then all of sudden out of nowhere they end the film with some absurdly biased political jab.

You say I just "dismiss" other opinions, no, I said everyone has their opinion, but I've yet to hear anyone give me a reason why that statement fits at all with the rest of the movie or even makes any sense. If someone wants to make a political film attacking the left or right or whoever, fine, but I saw no indication throughout the film that that is what it was. I never saw "Boondock".

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When did I say they weren't made up of people? Show me the people, who aren't politicians or stock holders in the corporation that support corporate secrecy.


"I think everyone is against corporate secrecy, except the corporations"

Right there. You made a distinction between people and corporations.


First off, what's with the hostility all of a sudden?


No hostility, just a simple statement of fact. Repeating the same incorrect statements over and over again is never going to result in those statements being correct.


Second....What? I have no idea what you are talking about. This entire film had nothing to do with politics, left wing, right wing or any of that, then all of sudden out of nowhere they end the film with some absurdly biased political jab.


What are you talking about? I never said the movie was political, and the ending of the movie is equally not political. Even if you didn't understand what I typed before, there's no possible way you could have interpreted my words as saying the movie has a political agenda.

What exactly is the "political jab" and who is it supposedly directed towards?


You say I just "dismiss" other opinions, no, I said everyone has their opinion, but I've yet to hear anyone give me a reason why that statement fits at all with the rest of the movie or even makes any sense. If someone wants to make a political film attacking the left or right or whoever, fine, but I saw no indication throughout the film that that is what it was. I never saw "Boondock".


Are you being purposely obtuse? When I say you dismiss others opinions I'm referring to their arguments. Which is true, since you offer no counter points to their arguments. You just repeat your belief that the final line is somehow politically motivated.

I have explained it to you, you simply refuse to accept what I say. In my very first reply to you in this thread I explain it exactly. Your only response was "I still say it was just a pointless and completely out of place thing". Immediately after I explained why it isn't pointless or out of place. This only shows your unwillingness to actually engage in a debate on the subject YOU started.

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OK, several people now have stated it was political, wasn't it even you that said it was a "FOX News" type thing? I'm also confused by how you say you weren't stating the movie was political, but at the same time you say I'm wrong to claim putting in a political rant as the final line of the film is out of place since it was not a political film?

If the movie was not meant to be political (which I didn't think it was meant to be) then it makes no sense to throw in that last line, it is out of place which is all I said. You keep going on about how I didn't refute the other statements, I most certainly did, I also said in the end, we all have our opinions, which cannot be proven right or wrong.

You did not feel it was out of place, OK, that is your opinion, you gave your reasons why you feel that way, I feel it was out of place, I gave my reasons, in your opinion my reasons don't change your mind, likewise what you said doesn't change mine.

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OK, several people now have stated it was political, wasn't it even you that said it was a "FOX News" type thing?


I really don't care what other people have said. And being a "Fox News type" doesn't make it political. What we get in the closing voice overs is two perspectives. One from the left and one from the right, but neither are particularly motivated by politics.


I'm also confused by how you say you weren't stating the movie was political, but at the same time you say I'm wrong to claim putting in a political rant as the final line of the film is out of place since it was not a political film?


You're apparently extremely easily confused then. I very clearly said the movie and the ending are not political nor is it anything approaching a rant.

The final line is NOT political. You're forcing me to ask again, are you being willfully obtuse?


If the movie was not meant to be political (which I didn't think it was meant to be) then it makes no sense to throw in that last line, it is out of place which is all I said. You keep going on about how I didn't refute the other statements, I most certainly did, I also said in the end, we all have our opinions, which cannot be proven right or wrong.


God damn, dude. The final line of the movie IS NOT POLITICAL. This isn't a matter of opinion. This is a matter of you looking for something that isn't there.

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i agree, i also tried to explain this to him, but once you utter a name that has political strings attached to it, he will take it as a political point of the movie, which it isnt, other than a difference in policies that are in place in the movie's universe (the anti corporation mentality), but it is NOT a demo vs. rep war.

The reason i named Limbaugh, or O'Reilly for that matter, is because they are usually known for being blowhards, i name them because i disagree with their POV a lot and makes me feel that theyre wrong a lot, BUT i didnt make the comparison to project a political agenda onto the movie.

Youre right, the OP only seems to respond whenever someone mentions something political, which isnt relevant to this movie at all.

It is the duality of mankind, sides of a coin, the radio jockeys negative response to Sam, versus the trial in favor of Sam, it has no political attachments, just a difference in which 'truth' some people decide to pin themselves on to.
Which in this case exposes the OP of his version of the truth :)

Im not aware of Duncan Jones' thoughts on politics, dont really care either, unless he does something really stupid, i would not change my opinion about Duncan, or his movies.

Im starting to think OP is not aware of the term "illegal Alien", id advice to listen to Sting's "English Man in New York", and Genesis' "Illegal Alien".

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The reason i named Limbaugh, or O'Reilly for that matter, is because they are usually known for being blowhards, i name them because i disagree with their POV a lot and makes me feel that theyre wrong a lot, BUT i didnt make the comparison to project a political agenda onto the movie.


Indeed. We could equally pick someone from the left. Well, perhaps not "easily." Since it seems that people on the left tend towards making their points with logic. But I'm sure if we tried we could come up with the names of a few left leaning blowhards.



Im starting to think OP is not aware of the term "illegal Alien", id advice to listen to Sting's "English Man in New York", and Genesis' "Illegal Alien".


I agree. I thought I made it pretty clear why\how he could be considered to be an illegal immigrant\alien.

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Can come up with just as many. Try Mike Malloy, Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, Al Sharpton...

There's no shortage of demagoguery and idiocy on BOTH sides.

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Well there you go :)

I skip reading the bottom line, because it is usually some lame signature.

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Like Weyland Yutani in Alien, the company that ran the moon base was willing to compromise on ethics for the bottom line. When clone Sam returns to Earth, he carries with him news that would probably destroy the company. (which you can imagine is probably the biggest company in the world) So, is anyone on Earth going to want to believe this news that would cause 100,000 people to lose their jobs and energy prices to skyrocket? The answer is no. People would be desperate to not believe the story. (which is what that line points out) The truth is not always easy to hear.

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Exactly. The final line is exactly the kind of media response that would come up in response to his allegations. I can see certain media figures scrambling for ways to discredit him, and calling him an illegal alien, based on his having been cloned outside the country, is one possible, if silly, way he might be attacked.

I liked the two final lines being used to sum up the ending. It let us know what Sam would do very briefly, and with some humour.


Tell me the truth. Are we still in the game?

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its a bit like mark wahlberg crashing at the end of planet of the apes then he's surrounded by ape cops

Uh....oh,oh, it's the pancakes! You don't like pancakes, I will get you somethin else!

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Only a dumbazz would get upset over this.

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There was live video feed of the station correct? The original Sam could easily be found correct? So obviously everything the clone said could be proven so why would anyone call him a whacko and even more puzzling is why anyone would call him an illegal immigrant? What a stupid end cap for an otherwise good film.



Simple really. If the lifeform we know to be a clone of Sam was born on The Moon, is he even an Earthling?

He most definitely NOT a citizen of Earth, but instead an illegal copy of one.

Next question.




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Lots of media only work for certain political parties, and only give their point of view. Like how the Murdoch media Sky News is a Conservative Party political propaganda channel, or how the Telegraph is known as the Torygraph.

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Have you read the comments on a news media outlet's facebook page? If you ever had any doubt about the colossal stupidity and ignorance of big chunks of the population, you'll be reassured there.


...then whoa, differences...

Re: "He's a whacko or an illegal immigrant." What??????

Wrong it was perfect. It captured the madness of human society. Hello. The movie was made in 2009 here we are in almost 2016 with the Trump wanting to build walls and lockout Muslims. From a country that had 300 mass shootings during 2015 of which over 95% were carried out by White Christian gun lovin' American born American males.
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