Rings : What's the deal with the mother
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Either Rings completely ignores The Ring 2 *or* the priest left out the part where a heavily pregnant Evelyn escaped from the church dungeon and ended up in the shelter where she gave birth according to The Ring 2.
Who knows???
Who knows???
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They simply didn't explain what happened to Evelyn in this film. It never states she died or escaped or anything.
In the Ring Two, they state that Evelyn simply showed up one day.
In the Ring Two, they state that Evelyn simply showed up one day.
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They didn't change the story line. You have to watch really closely to understand it though.
Samara's mother was taken captive and raped by the priest. He chained her up because she was trying to kill the baby in the womb. She went through 8 1/2 months of pregnancy and was somehow able to escape captivity, and make it to the women's shelter where she later gave birth. Once she gave birth, she resumed her efforts to kill Samara. After she was caught by the nuns, she was sent to a mental institution and Samara was later adopted by the Morgans.
Samara's mother was taken captive and raped by the priest. He chained her up because she was trying to kill the baby in the womb. She went through 8 1/2 months of pregnancy and was somehow able to escape captivity, and make it to the women's shelter where she later gave birth. Once she gave birth, she resumed her efforts to kill Samara. After she was caught by the nuns, she was sent to a mental institution and Samara was later adopted by the Morgans.
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Yeah, you worded it better than I did. The 8 1/2 months thing didn't even occur to me until you just said that. That makes significantly more sense now.
Was it states, perhaps I missed it, that he chained her up "because" she was trying to kill the baby, or was that simply implied? I obviously saw the chains and such, but if she had room to scratch words and marks into the wall, and had at least 2 weeks to run away to a shelter, why didn't she try to kill the baby then?
Was it states, perhaps I missed it, that he chained her up "because" she was trying to kill the baby, or was that simply implied? I obviously saw the chains and such, but if she had room to scratch words and marks into the wall, and had at least 2 weeks to run away to a shelter, why didn't she try to kill the baby then?
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This was stated while he was chasing Julia around the house. He says something like "She tried to kill the baby so I chained her up. I should've let her kill it"
I guess you can imply that she didn't try to kill the baby over those two weeks because she was more focused on getting as far away from the priest as she could and once she was in the shelter she couldn't exactly try to abort the baby if the nuns were keeping close watch.
I guess you can imply that she didn't try to kill the baby over those two weeks because she was more focused on getting as far away from the priest as she could and once she was in the shelter she couldn't exactly try to abort the baby if the nuns were keeping close watch.
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Well, now this brings me to another question.
The nun tells Rachel that Evelyn believed something came to take her baby, something water related, I forget the exact phrase. What are your thoughts on that?
Plot hole or simply Evelyn believed her baby was otherworldly (which she was)
The nun tells Rachel that Evelyn believed something came to take her baby, something water related, I forget the exact phrase. What are your thoughts on that?
Plot hole or simply Evelyn believed her baby was otherworldly (which she was)
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I think Evelyn knew that her baby was otherworldly. The priest knew this too. He states that he thought Evelyn was giving birth to a holy being but later realized this wasn't true when Samara's body was returned to the Evelyn's town.
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Just read that section of the script, entirely too lazy to pop the DVD in right now.
And yes, you are correct. The line was "Evelyn believed something had come for her baby, from the waters beyond our world."
Rachel responds "Wait, did you say waters?"
Nun: "Everyone has a different interpretation of the afterlife."
Then later when Evelyn is yelling at Rachel, saying they both made the same mistake of "letting the dead get in".
I take all this to interpret that when Evelyn became pregnant, something from the afterlife possessed her child (most likely made more possible by the horrific way it happened ((being raped by a priest beneath a church))) and she began having visions during the pregnancy and heard her baby telling her to kill it, in order to destroy it.
She tried, she failed, twice.
Now, the guard explains to Rachel that she isn't the first person to come see Evelyn regarding something being wrong with their child. He doesn't state son, just child, meaning Samaras M.O. at that point was trying to be reborn through the child of someone coming to look for her. I'm assuming that the other people probably killed their kids in order to get rid of Samara, but alas, it didn't work and she went back to living in the tape. This is proven when she drowms Aiden and Samara isn't destroyed, just cast out of Aiden and back into the tape.
I don't think the idea of her wanting a Mommy was really the goal persay, it was just a tactic she used to get close enough to possess the child. Plus, it is technically some otherworldly spirit trapped within the body of a child.
Cut to her remains being moved to the new town, and her still trying to maneuver the right people to find her and cremate her bones so that she could be set free.
What I'm taking away from this, is her goal was always to be reborn and her body not being cremated kept her confined to the tape, so she either had to possess a child, or have her body creamated so she could possess an adult and have her power grow.
Thoughts?
And yes, you are correct. The line was "Evelyn believed something had come for her baby, from the waters beyond our world."
Rachel responds "Wait, did you say waters?"
Nun: "Everyone has a different interpretation of the afterlife."
Then later when Evelyn is yelling at Rachel, saying they both made the same mistake of "letting the dead get in".
I take all this to interpret that when Evelyn became pregnant, something from the afterlife possessed her child (most likely made more possible by the horrific way it happened ((being raped by a priest beneath a church))) and she began having visions during the pregnancy and heard her baby telling her to kill it, in order to destroy it.
She tried, she failed, twice.
Now, the guard explains to Rachel that she isn't the first person to come see Evelyn regarding something being wrong with their child. He doesn't state son, just child, meaning Samaras M.O. at that point was trying to be reborn through the child of someone coming to look for her. I'm assuming that the other people probably killed their kids in order to get rid of Samara, but alas, it didn't work and she went back to living in the tape. This is proven when she drowms Aiden and Samara isn't destroyed, just cast out of Aiden and back into the tape.
I don't think the idea of her wanting a Mommy was really the goal persay, it was just a tactic she used to get close enough to possess the child. Plus, it is technically some otherworldly spirit trapped within the body of a child.
Cut to her remains being moved to the new town, and her still trying to maneuver the right people to find her and cremate her bones so that she could be set free.
What I'm taking away from this, is her goal was always to be reborn and her body not being cremated kept her confined to the tape, so she either had to possess a child, or have her body creamated so she could possess an adult and have her power grow.
Thoughts?
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Maybe if she was cremated, and the ashes scattered, she would no longer be trapped. That would allow Samara to go on to an afterlife or whatever.
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The baby itself otherworldly or an evil spirit got into the baby in the ring 2?
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SPOILERS What bothered me was the priest's motivations. He captured a woman and kept her imprisoned, supposedly initially just for his sick sexual pleasure, but then he takes an interest in her pregnancy because it might be a "holy" being? What were his plans? Did he intend to keep mother and daughter beneath the church and raise Samara there? Or was he just bat$&@& crazy?
Also, I interpreted Samara's flooding of the church and her general unrest to be an expression of sympathy and rage with regard to what happened to her mother. However, would Samara really feel this way given the knowledge that her mother tried to kill her at least twice? I mean, it makes sense that even if she didn't believe that a demon had possessed her child, that Evelyn would not have wanted to have the child of her rapist and tormentor - however, while WE understand that, I wouldn't expect Samara to be as sympathetic.
Also, I interpreted Samara's flooding of the church and her general unrest to be an expression of sympathy and rage with regard to what happened to her mother. However, would Samara really feel this way given the knowledge that her mother tried to kill her at least twice? I mean, it makes sense that even if she didn't believe that a demon had possessed her child, that Evelyn would not have wanted to have the child of her rapist and tormentor - however, while WE understand that, I wouldn't expect Samara to be as sympathetic.
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I'm assuming that her flooding the church was simply the spirit being pissed off about being buried in the same place she was conceived by rape. It's an angry spirit lol
What's the deal with the mother