The Tourist : So at what point did you know? SPOILERS
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Right at the beginning actually. But I must admit that later on I wasn't too sure. So perhaps I should have stuck with my original feeling.
By the way, remember "The Sixth Sense" with that marvellous twist? I really did see that right at the beginning. Just couldn't understand why the critics kept telling me how good the twist was.
By the way, remember "The Sixth Sense" with that marvellous twist? I really did see that right at the beginning. Just couldn't understand why the critics kept telling me how good the twist was.
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Not until he opened the safe. I just thought it would be way to lame for Depp to be him. And yet it was lame.
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I had a suspicion when Depp walked into the stand-off at the end. But then I thought better of it because that would be a retarded ending.
I contemplated several completely different retarded endings. The older brother (that's really just Depp in different make-up). Paul Bettany is really Pearce. Depp works for Pearce (I really thought this was the real ending).
Hell, after Salt I half expected JOLIE to be Pearce. Meaning Pearce never actually existed in the first place. That would have been a retarded ending too, but at least would have allowed one of those cool flashback montages explaining how she did it.
I contemplated several completely different retarded endings. The older brother (that's really just Depp in different make-up). Paul Bettany is really Pearce. Depp works for Pearce (I really thought this was the real ending).
Hell, after Salt I half expected JOLIE to be Pearce. Meaning Pearce never actually existed in the first place. That would have been a retarded ending too, but at least would have allowed one of those cool flashback montages explaining how she did it.
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I suspected for a while but knew for sure when they were at the final stand-off scene in the room with the safe. Its just that the mysterious "other" person dropping off envelopes was left too vague to be of importance. Doing a bit of Sherlock Holmes deduction, there was nobody left to be Pearce BUT Johnny Depp. Also they had mentioned plastic surgery.
It wasn't a completely stupid ending, imho, but I think Angelina Jolie would have been able to recognize him at least a little, despite the surgery changes. Still Depp did a good job of gradually transforming from clumsy American boob to dashing British hero/thief.
It wasn't a completely stupid ending, imho, but I think Angelina Jolie would have been able to recognize him at least a little, despite the surgery changes. Still Depp did a good job of gradually transforming from clumsy American boob to dashing British hero/thief.
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Yeah the rooftop scene, I thought this guy has balls.
Also when they bring up his file they say his wife was deceased, but he tells uhh Jolie that she left him, so that was odd too. I just watched the film so I noticed.
Other things too.
4/10 Did not like the twist
Also when they bring up his file they say his wife was deceased, but he tells uhh Jolie that she left him, so that was odd too. I just watched the film so I noticed.
Other things too.
4/10 Did not like the twist
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I started to think it was him when he was in that white suit lighting up the cig.
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I realized that the guy had to be one of the characters and Depp's was the one and only possibility.
I'm the kind of guy, when I move - watch my smoke. But I'm gonna need some good clothes though.
I'm the kind of guy, when I move - watch my smoke. But I'm gonna need some good clothes though.
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I didn't know til the end when he opened the safe. From the second half of the movie i thought "oh come on, he couldn't possibly be. that's be just too ridiculous" . I was wrong
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When Frank started smoking and was walking to the ball with the white Tuxedo on. He had a new swagger to him and I had a feeling it was him.
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You can see it from a mile away.
When Elise first met Frank on the train.
That was a complete giveaway.
When Elise first met Frank on the train.
That was a complete giveaway.
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>"When Frank started smoking and was walking to the ball with the white Tuxedo on."
Not to mention that he's suddenly able to waltz like a pro. Anybody who still thought he was just a math teacher after that scene shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Not to mention that he's suddenly able to waltz like a pro. Anybody who still thought he was just a math teacher after that scene shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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At dinner when he kept asking what this Pierce guy was like. It came across as both he and Jolie's character just playing at being different people and he was fishing for compliments. No guy who's trying to score would ever ask that many questions about a man the woman he was with supposedly loved. When she later set him up with the kiss and didn't sleep with him, I realized that she didn't know who he was.
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The letter gave it away for me. First, I thought it was odd that it was read with Angelina Jolie's voice, so I figured that the filmmakers did this in order not to spoil a possible twist. And the moment when Paul Bettany's character put the pieces together and found out that Frank "only was a decoy", I knew that he had to be Alexander Pearce.
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It was so transparent from the begining ...For me the biggest twist would be if he wouldn't be alexander.
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I knew pretty early on. Everyone was saying they didn't know what Alexander looked like, which made me immediately think it was Depp. "Twist" endings are so common these days that I automatically become skeptical in any mystery film like this.
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Having recently seen The Conversation I knew as soon as she read the letter.
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I knew as soon as the Scotland Yard guy shouted "get that note".
I realised then that it was going to be a double bluff on the police, and that whoever she met on the train would be the actual fugitive.
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I was born knowing it and my first words were "Depp is Alexander Pearce."
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I finally saw it (for free on Encore, the only way I'd watch crap like this) and I came here to see if it was perhaps as obvious to others as it was to me.
I knew after she read the letter/when they met on the train. Logic it out:
1. There were rumors of plastic surgery/a complete identity change. Alexander is wondering/would want to know/has to find out:
- Does she still love me after 2 years apart?
and
- Can she love me [looking] like this?
2. The letter says to find someone that could be him and make the authorities believe it is him. This was done to make the police believe she just picked a random tourist as a decoy, which would get them some alone time, which is what he would want in order to make her fall in love with his new face.
After that, there are other things:
- He gets on the boat. We could assume that they discussed his itinerary during the trip, but it's a reach. "Frank" couldn't know where she intended to go or that she intended to room with him and make the authorities believe he was Pearce. She could be a psycho killer or a criminal who will drug him, cut out his kidney, and leave him for dead. He doesn't know, but he goes along for the ride anyway and he seems to have absolutely NO plans to actually explore Italy as a tourist. A lonely math teacher from Wisconsin pays for a trip to Italy and does... nothing? He has no hotel reservations or plans; he's content to just be in the same suite as a "beautiful woman" rather than exploring Italy? Really?
- He calls her attention to the flowers and the accompanying ball invitation.
- Fishing for information at dinner about Elise and Alexander's relationship (which goes back to the "does she still love me" thing.)
- He says something like, "I didn't expect [Shaw] to show up so soon" which clues you in that "Frank" knows more than he lets on about Shaw.
There were also a few things out of place for a simple math teacher:
- The boat knot
- Running across rooftops from gangsters. Granted I don't know for sure what I'd do in that situation but theoretically if you're not who they're looking for, you don't really have much to worry about. If you ARE who they're looking for, then you KNOW to run because you KNOW who they are and what they'll do to you regardless of whether or not they believe you.
Two things made me question my assumption:
How Frank behaves when no one's watching (it seemed like even Depp didn't know he was going to end up being Pearce.) You could explain this away by saying AP wanted to keep up the illusion just in case someone shows up, but there really was no need to do so because no one in Italy knew him. You could say "well maybe the room was bugged" but you'd just be piling stuff on to explain that oddness.
How everything was so contrived and awful that I ended up hoping "The Englishman" was actually Pearce.
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I had slight doubts at the beginning with the whole letter and dude on the train scheme, except at that point I would have thought Elise knew who he was. I was only sure he was Pierce after he decided to stay in Venice, especially with the "James Bond"-ish too nice looking white suit.
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Hahaha... I just found out when he opened the safe! Gosh, am i slow!
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Me too. From the train scene onward I felt so sorry for Frank and figured he was going to have a very very bad day.
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After the arrest.
When I read the cast and saw that there was no other important actor that could be the villain.
You cannot hire a low budget actor for that role, and there was no important actor.
So Pearce could only be Depp
When I read the cast and saw that there was no other important actor that could be the villain.
You cannot hire a low budget actor for that role, and there was no important actor.
So Pearce could only be Depp
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I came to this board just to discuss this. I knew it was him when they meet for dinner, and he asks her - "What's he like"?...The way he asks is such a giveaway. Hence the whole movie got ruined for me.
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I'm the kind of guy, when I move - watch my smoke. But I'm gonna need some good clothes though. I was still remembering the wording in the note and it hit me that he very well had this planned.