Passengers : Rape Culture

Kept hearing this stuff about all the rape and misogyny in the movie and was very disappointed when the movie had none of that

I'm so personally tired of hearing about this false truth. Jim was alone, lacking all human contact, for a year. A YEAR! Studies in the field have shown that a month of isolation can be extremely harmful and Jim suffered through it for 12.

Never mind that "rape culture" would describe, following traditional language usage, the ways of a social splinter group that centers around rape and not, as the brainless use it, as undercurrents in general society that encourage rape.

I don't know exactly what you would classify Jims crime as. Kidnapping would seem to fit, but that doesn't really seem strong enough. I don't think we have something on the books to cover it.

But calling it rape is wholly inaccurate, and cheapens the crime that rape really is.

FWIW, I'd likely have done the same thing as Jim. Not saying it's right, but I'd wake someone else up. I'd go crazy that living much time alone. That doesnt make it right, but I'd do it to. That's why Gus couldn't condemn Jim when Aurora approached him about it. he knew it wasn't right, but also knew that's what a drowning man would do.

Good point about : "I don't think we have something on the books to cover it".

Imagine you are in a situation where your death could save the life of another ; or a hundred, or a million. Many of us have a figure above which we would sacrifice ourselves.
What if we could save a life by giving an arm, a hand, or a finger ? Many of us will never have that choice / opportunity.

What if the situation is such that you cannot be asked, but someone has to decide for you ? How useful would it be, if we had to state for the record in advance ( as people do in wills, organ donation card, do-not-resuscitate / do-not-give-blood-transfusion orders etc.) what we would want ? As you say, it is a unique situation, but perhaps we could estimate someone's response from some of their other answers. Maybe we need to know if they are Catholic, or vegan, or have some other priority list.
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In my thread Spoiler - response only from young, single females please I ask how Aurora would have felt, knowing Jim had killed himself as the only alternative to waking her. Some young females might think they had a lucky escape, others might think they missed out on the opportunity to help him. I notice that the IMDB ratings from Females, are higher than from Males, in every age group ; but if there was a general rape / exploitation perception, it would surely have been the other way round.

From young single females? Lmao. I qualify but I think that's a load of crap anyone could answer that question. How would you feel, regardless of gender or relationship status, knowing that Jim might have killed himself instead of wake you up (feeling a romantic, emotional and/or physical attraction towards you).


Of course at first I'd feel extremely unsafe around him, unsure of who he really was or what he really wanted me for, I'd feel manipulated and very betrayed. Very heartbroken. Any progress I'd have made towards coming to terms with this situation (having probably originally come to terms with it in part because I wound up with someone I genuinely liked) would go right back to zero and I'd be back to grieving for the life I expected to have as well as being both furious and terrified at this person.

But of course as she found out, time helps give clarification, and she could finally see past all of that to see it from his perspective the prospect of being so competely alone terrified her as much as loosing him emotionally. It'd be a horrible shock to realize I still felt feelings for him AND I suddenly understood the terror involved in being competely and absolutely alone.

As for it being rape/exploitation yes to exploitation, as he did have a physical draw to her as well, it was a kind of manipulation to take advantage of her in that kind of traumatic experience but it was understandable that he probably reached a mental limit of his own where he either went competely insane or he found company. It wasn't rape in my mind. But it's a pretty messed up relationship to begin with.

Once she knew about it AND knew she could escape it THEN decided to be with him instead, that's different, that's her knowing exactly where she stands and making her decision.

I've rephrased the thread title. I was meaning that non-single non-females shouldn't really be saying that they know how young single females would think. There are times when we have to decide for others ; and I'm clever enough to know, that in many situations I'm not clever enough to know.

It sounds as if you think what Jim did was on the right side of acceptable, and if he had managed to make Aurora happy enough over time, it might have been possible for him to admit what he'd done, and be forgiven. The option of escape, allowed her to effectively say, "If you wound the clock back, I'd have agreed to what you did".

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Jim was alone, lacking all human contact, for a year. A YEAR! Studies in the field have shown that a month of isolation can be extremely harmful and Jim suffered through it for 12.

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A year? A year? So what? Alexander Selkirk, the historical model for Robinson Crusoe, survived over half a decade of total isolation. Total isolation is not necessarily fatal.

Plus, those studies you mention aren't they based on individuals who were held in some kind of solitary confinement? A ship with 5,000 passengers is going to have an extensive library. There is no reason why its film library shouldn't have included every film ever made.

Isolation, when one has access to all the world's great books, all the world's movies, is different than solitary confinement.

It seems that the writer, and lots of commentators, are wedded to the idea that ANYONE in Jim's position would, eventually, crack, and wake up the hot girl, even though doing so would curse her to the same life of isolation he faced.

Some commentators seem to find it literally INCONCEIVABLE for anyone to show the restraint to make the right moral decision. Jim's choices included trying to write a novel of isolation, or make the great picturebook of the beauties of observing interstellar travel from the inside Or he could have been more modest and written book reviews, or reviews on key works in his field.

When intellectual pursuits fail him a spacewalk without a spacesuit remains a dignified, ethical final exit.

If you have a choice then that's different. Those people didn't.

Exactly. Going without a drink for a year, is very different to going without a drink for a year when you have bottles of it at home.
( I quit 20 years ago, but I understand anyway )

Perhaps we are missing that Jim would have to not only endure the isolation, but also continuously fight the temptation of easing it. Witness his long discussions with Arthur, about never mentioning her.

You seem to be saying that life on the spaceship wouldn't be that bad, so when Jim woke Aurora, he was "condemning" her to paradise ; which she could share with him as much or as little as she wanted. Very different to a desert island, as Robinson Crusoe or Tom Hanks.

Suicide requires such an extreme state of mind, that I don't think Jim could trust himself to not wake Aurora as an alternative. That would be like an alcoholic with bottles of drink in the house saying, "But if the temptation gets too great, I'll just pour them down the sink".

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You seem to be saying that life on the spaceship wouldn't be that bad

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Actually, I think I said experiencing isolation, on the Avalon, wouldn't be nearly as bad an experience as facing isolation because you were a convict being held in solitary confinement.

Waking the hot girl is still an awful thing to do as you strip her of choice.

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Suicide requires such an extreme state of mind, that I don't think Jim could trust himself to not wake Aurora as an alternative.

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Okay, if he doubts his own moral fiber then he should take that naked EVA out the nearest airlock.

Jim doesn't face a lifetime of zero human contact. He is healthy, can get sensible exercise, can visit the auto-doc, every day. It is quite possible for him to live long enough to receive that reply from Homestead corporation, in 55 years. A month into his voyage, he could send out another message, this time to the NYTimes, asking them to publish his journal, "The journal of the most isolated guy in the Milky Way". If he could make sure his journal sounded plucky, and inspirational, his unique situation would guarantee its publication, and he could look forward to copious fan mail in 55 years.

What could he write about, and bring a fresh perspective to? Well, he could review novels or movies where a character experiences long periods of isolation, from the perspective of someone actually experiencing isolation.

If Jim is supposed to be about 30 years old, he would get the reply aged 85. I'm not sure he would survive that long.

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If Jim is supposed to be about 30 years old, he would get the reply aged 85. I'm not sure he would survive that long.

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No, he is not guaranteed to live to 85. But (1) living to 85 is well within the normal range; (2) he can sit in the autodoc every single day; (3) If he asked, in his first poignant, plucky reports to Earth TV stations, that he would love to have adorable Kindergarten choirs record songs for him, he could count on getting multiple touching recordings it would be something to look forward to.

Yes, touching child choirs may not be much of a substitute for coitus with someone as hot as Aurora, but he doesn't have to ruin anyone else's life to get them.

OMG, you truly are clueless! I'm betting you can't even fathom what 55 years is, never mind have to wait that long AT THE EARLIEST just to MAYBE get a response from Earth saying "Sorry you're aware but there's nothing we can do from here."

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A month into his voyage, he could send out another message, this time to the NYTimes, asking them to publish his journal, "The journal of the most isolated guy in the Milky Way". If he could make sure his journal sounded plucky, and inspirational, his unique situation would guarantee its publication, and he could look forward to copious fan mail in 55 years.

What could he write about, and bring a fresh perspective to? Well, he could review novels or movies where a character experiences long periods of isolation, from the perspective of someone actually experiencing isolation.

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OMG, you are as deranged as Jim was. yeah, I'm sure he would be just fine sending these witty little things to earth to people who wouldn't even receive them for 19 years, all for the huge payoff of "fan mail" in 55 years (and remember it cost $1200 send even a short message I don't think "fan mail" would be worth it to them. He's still completely alone and by then, in his 70s.

Again to your comparison, someone in solitary confinement HAS NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER. He did, and he resisted for one very lonely year, but insanity and the basic human need for companionshipall of these living people are right under his nosefinally cost him what he saw as that choice.

All these postings of, "I could easily cope with isolation", from those who keeping interacting with people. How about they sign off for 55 years, and then tell us how it went.

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OMG, you truly are clueless! I'm betting you can't even

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OMG! have you ever noticed how people who start followup comments with an OMG, and then a string of insults, don't seem able to engage in a meaningful dialogue!

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MAYBE get a response from Earth saying "Sorry you're aware but there's nothing we can do from here."

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See? Here is you not paying attention to points that would interfere with your angry ranting. No one expects that HQ can do anything to the ship that would benefit Jim, other than retroactively upgrade him to first class. But, if there are some decent people at Homestead Corp they would arrange to have some entertainment, targeted at him, to lift his spirits, broadcast to him on a regular basis.

Since he can't count on decency from Homestead, as I already said in other messages, the second message he transmits to Earth should be to a newspaper, or other sources, that would tell the public about him, and keep them interested in him.

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OMG, you are as deranged as Jim was. yeah, I'm sure he would be just fine sending these witty little things to earth to people who wouldn't even receive them for 19 years, all for the huge payoff of "fan mail" in 55 years (and remember it cost $1200 send even a short message I don't think "fan mail" would be worth it to them. He's still completely alone and by then, in his 70s.

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See, there you go. In your desire to get up a good head of steam in your outraged rant, you didn't bother to actually read what I wrote. No one claimed his isolation wouldn't be difficult, I suggested it was merely survivable, without resorting to unscrupulously waking the hot chick.

The important thing would be to set up a forward looking daily routine, focussed around his work for others.

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Again to your comparison, someone in solitary confinement HAS NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER. He did, and he resisted for one very lonely year, but insanity and the basic human need for companionshipall of these living people are right under his nosefinally cost him what he saw as that choice.

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There is a TV ad playing now, where Bart reassures someone in a jam, "Don't worry, I am a Simpson, and we always try at least one easy thing!" Okay, he went through a tough year, and started go a bit nuts, with his unabomber look. One year should be survivable. And the moral thing to do, when one found one's self getting to point of unscrupulously waking someone else, just so one wouldn't feel lonely, would be to go to the airlock, without a space-suit, and go for a naked EVA.

You could wake someone, the hot chick, or dance-dance enthusiast, the checker's champion, and find the two of you could either never get along, or that you developed a hatred of one another, that lead to one of you murdering the other. If he feels bad now, he should imagine how he would feel if he wakes someone who goes nuts and tries to kill him, who he then kills in self-defense.




When the old Soviet Union collapsed they had one cosmonaut in orbit in one of their early space stations. The ISS always has one space capsule docked, allowing the crew to evacuate. This early space station didn't have a capsule attached. He had to wait until one came up to fetch him, and with the collapse of the USSR, his rescue was delayed.

Soviet mission control was no longer being staffed. There was a team of HAM radio operators, in the UK. They figured out the short windows when his station would be over the UK, and they made sure that at least one UK HAM radio operator had their set turned on, ready to provide him with a friendly voice. I think his return to Earth was delayed something like a year. He was extremely grateful to those HAM radio operators. Those brief but predictable contacts were something to look forward to.

Ah.. GSwan.. So speaks someone who has never been truly lonely.

We are a Social species. One that thrives on interacting with others. For Alexander Selkirk there was Always the hope of rescue.. A chance that another ship might pass and see his signals. And his isolation was only 5 years..

But Jim is different. There is no chance of rescue, and all the books in the world will never fulfil a friendly voice or the touch of another. Even with the best autodoc treatment he will never see another human face for another 90 years.
Thats 180 times longer than Alex had to endure.


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Leave nothing but Smiles and Pawprints

First, math not your best subject?

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Even with the best autodoc treatment he will never see another human face for another 90 years. Thats 180 times longer than Alex had to endure.

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Selkirk was marooned for something like 5 years. 90 / 5 == 18, not 180. In fact he can look forward to human contact in 55 years.

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Ah.. GSwan.. So speaks someone who has never been truly lonely.

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You are the second person to insist you have the right to mock my loneliness credentials.

Jim can experience some social interaction when he imagines how his readers will react to the journal he should start. He is in a position to make an unique contribution to the literature on how individuals react to social isolation. Yes, just about all of us would prefer to get it on with beautiful Aurora.

We don't get everything I want. My life would be improved if I had $5 million in my bank account. I live with not having that $5 million, and I live with not having beautiful Aurora.

You live life by getting up ion the morning and seeing other living faces around you.. Whether you decide to interact with them then that is your choice.

Jim has no choice - there is nobody for him to interact with.

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Selkirk may have survived but there is a massive difference between survival and living.

While the studies were of people in solitary confinement (at least mostly from what I recall) one still has access to books in solitary as far as I'm aware unless otherwise restricted, which doesn't seem to be common anymore.

Even then, the choice to what an endless array of movies, read an infinite number of books, etc. isn't a reasonable substitute for actual human contact. Even people who choose to minimize human contact in real life still prefer to have some contact, even if it's brief.

Beyond that, I don't really see it as a moral choice but a practical one. In the movie Jim isn't just living out his time but is required to fix several systems. If he had killed himself when he originally considered it then everyone would have died. Aurora had a full life, Jim had a full life, and nearly everyone reached their destination despite the odds being against it in this particular instance.

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Beyond that, I don't really see it as a moral choice but a practical one. In the movie Jim isn't just living out his time but is required to fix several systems. If he had killed himself when he originally considered it then everyone would have died. Aurora had a full life, Jim had a full life, and nearly everyone reached their destination despite the odds being against it in this particular instance.

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At the time Jim considered committing suicide he had no way of knowing that the ship was even at risk, let alone that he would be called upon to serve as a heroic amateur repairman.

I think that makes his choice remain a moral choice.

I have to disagree. His stasis pod failed, systems were experiencing problems, and robots were malfunctioning. These were all signs, increasing in frequency, that should have set off alarms in his head that there was something going on. That said, if the engineer had never been awoken then it would have all been for nothing since Jim would have been unable to realistically access the critical systems needed to effect repairs.

Jim was obviously more than just an amateur repairman. The very fact that his trip was discounted shows that his abilities and intelligence make him a skilled technician that is able to quickly grasp complex systems.

You show how very clueless you are in this post.

Robinson Crusoe DID NOT HAVE A WAY TO MAKE SOMEONE ELSE APPEAR. Jim did.

And, before you claim it wouldn't bad to be totally alone for a year, experience it for yourself and then come back to us. As far as "they have a library etc"-he would know that nothing was ever going to change FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, all the while having to see these other people "sleeping" just feet from him.

I believe EVERYONE some point would wake someone else up. Maybe not one year, but probably would by then. Others MIGHT make it to 5.

And frankly I have a hard time believing the two of them lived their entire natural lives without ever waking someone else up, since the longer they stayed there, the more detached from "conventional morality" they would grow. Especially after one of them died (or did they have a suicide pact?)

In short, it's easy to get high and mighty about moral issues when you haven't faced remotely what the other person has, but thousands of people who've been in extremely trying situations d done some pretty unthinkable things, save themselves (take war, for examplepeople who can't imagine killing someone but themselves in a war, did what they had to do).

I can only imagine that you've never faced a REAL moral dilemma.

I hope you realize that I was being sarcastic. Some femidimwit message board was whinging about "rape". But what he did was wholly understandable given the scenario that he was to spend the rest of his life in comfortable but total isolation.

Yeah, I understood what you were saying and I was agreeing.

12 months and 3 weeks. It is said that most of the rape was cut from the theatrical version.

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If this was a Wikipedia entry, it would now look like this :
It is said that ( by whom ? citation required ) most of the rape was cut from the theatrical version.

And this is from someone who advocates armed conflict between nations. SMH

Yeah, hadn't heard any rape theories regarding Jim's decision until I visited the IMDB forums.

To simplify Jim's motivation of waking Aurora simply because he sadistically needed to violate her seemed never the movie's true intent. It spent an inordinate amount of time couching his decision in loneliness and (perceived) romantic love.

Had the film shown him ejaculating over her recumbent body, then perhaps rape might have been a factor. But nopeI just don't see it.

I thought there be some foddlin of boobies in her pod Cosby-style of course!

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See you have to appreciate the subtleties of consent to get why people are talking about rape.

Scenario 1:
Tom and Dom are twins. One day Dom comes home to Tom's wife Cat and pretends to be Tom. He then takes the time to turn her on and then they have sex. Now, even though she consented to have sex with the man infront of her this still counts as rape because her consent is based on the understanding that this is Tom. Dom misrepresented who he was and therefore this is rape. This , in any court of law, lands Dom in jail.

Scenario 2:
Dan and Jan meet in a support group for terminal illnesses: they connect over being in the same plight, then date, then have sex. Then Jan finds out Dan deliberately injected her with a dose of that terminal illness. Now Dan misrepresented himself like Dom (in Scenario 1) and a court of law - that will happily charge him with homicide - will rule on whether Jan's consent was elicited fraudulently based on whoever got the better lawyer.

Anyhow, so you see, for Aurora it certainly counts as rape in some people's opinion and not really in other's.

OK - consider this:

Scenario:
Tina and Diane are twins. One day Diane comes home to Tina's husband Jim and pretends to be Tina. She then takes the time to turn him on and then they have sex. Now, even though he consented to have sex with the woman in front of him this still counts as rape because his consent is based on the understanding that this is Tina. Diane misrepresented who she was and therefore this is rape. This, in any court of law, lands Diane in jail.

Serious question - is this a valid position? Do the same rules apply if the genders are reversed?

If no, why not?

I think the definition of rape includes penetration of an orifice. Everything else is just sexual assault, which is a little lower on the scale.

So a man can be raped by a woman, but not during the sort of sex that could lead to the woman becoming pregnant by him.

Honestly that's what I'm curious about and the point I'm trying to raise on this issue.

I don't consider penetration of an orifice rape unless it's forced by physically overpowering the victim or threatening the victim with violence or perhaps using some form of blackmail. Penetration is intercourse, but that doesn't always indicate rape. I consider rape a brutal, violent crime so I don't believe simple deception should constitute rape.

I realize I could be wrong here, but to just seems to me the term rape is being too broadly applied in scenarios where it doesn't (or shouldn't) apply. Yes, a man deceiving a woman can render her pregnant, but a woman deceiving a man can saddle him with 18+ years of child support. Where's the balance? Where's the equity?

I find it odd that if the genders in this movie were reversed and Aurora's pod malfunctioned, awakening her first, and then she intentionally awakened Jim it likely wouldn't have seriously bothered anybody.

Rape is penetration without consent, and where the perpetrator ought to have known there was no consent. If the victim is drunk, drugged, or otherwise unconscious ; that would be rape, unless perhaps there is some "standing order" between the parties. German law is heading towards needing an active statement of consent each time.

Consent, really means "informed consent". If a woman likes to be tied up and blindfolded by her husband for sex, but a burglar knocks out the husband and goes up the stairs to the bedroom ; the request for activity made by the misinformed wife, to the burglar, thinking him to be husband, wouldn't be informed consent.

What if they meet in a bar, and the man says he has a certain : name, profession, bank balance, right of abode in a county, freedom from infection etc. I think the court would then have to decide if any lies are serious enough to have affected the consent :
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/crown-court-compendium-pt1-legal-summaries-directions-examples-20160511.pdf
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16. The absence of consent may be proved by evidence of one or more of the
following:
(7) deceit as to the nature and/or purpose of the act
(8) deceit as to the identity of the Defendant.

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Serious question - is this a valid position? Do the same rules apply if the genders are reversed?

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Yes. In both cases, the other party consented to sex with a specific person (their spouse). They did not consent to sex with their spouse's twin, hence the sex was non consensual and thus rape.

The same would apply in, say, cases where someone pretended to be a celebrity to get others to sleep with them. Consent was given to a different party than the one who eventually had the sex.

This is different from cases where the person consented to sex with another based on misperceptions of that person: e.g. say some guy is only attracted to brunettes, and is hit on by a woman who's actually blonde but dyed her hair; if they have sex, it is not rape. In a more serious example, perhaps he was married but did not tell her, knowing she would have refused to have sex had she known he was married. This would still not be rape, because she consented to sex with him.

Likewise in the case of Passengers - while she was unaware of information that would likely have resulted in her not consenting, she did consent to sex with him. It was deceptive, manipulative and a morally terrible thing to do, but it would not legally qualify as rape. Doing so dangerously blurs the definitions: for instance you might have a racist who refuses to have sex with anyone who isn't 100% white, but unknowingly consents to sex with someone who's 7% black and aware of that person's preferences - should the racist discover the truth, it still wouldn't mean that he or she was raped, just deceived. As long as there is unforced consent (deception is not force), it is not rape.


It's the question that drives us. I know the answer is 42.

Not sure about your Scenario 2. It sounds as if Dan gets life imprisonment for murder anyway, and the rape charge is almost irrelevant. What if instead Dan took some drugs to mimic the effect of the illness, and hence was able to share doctor's notes to convince Jan that he was in the same situation ?

There is some debate in the UK about policemen going undercover to join activist groups and then having sex with a member of that group ; while perhaps they are married.

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I'm so personally tired of hearing about this false truth. Jim was alone, lacking all human contact, for a year. A YEAR! Studies in the field have shown that a month of isolation can be extremely harmful and Jim suffered through it for 12.

Never mind that "rape culture" would describe, following traditional language usage, the ways of a social splinter group that centers around rape and not, as the brainless use it, as undercurrents in general society that encourage rape."

I agree with what he said, when I watched this I was thinking of a episode of the Twilight Zone when a man was living on a planet alone then he is left with an android woman for a companion. I think this would have made an excellent episode on the Twilight Zone. Course it should be on the woman's point of view, where she solves the mystery about the man who claimed to have awoken by accident at the same time she did but turned out he awoke by accident and he got lonely and woke her for company.

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I'm so personally tired of hearing about this false truth.

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what is a false truth? I really want to know, like , bigly

Well, say a person agrees with you and says Jim was in the right to wake a woman for companionship. You don't seem bothered about what he did next:
lied about how she woke up, concealed his role in it
had sex with her when he knew she would not have agreed if she knew the truth about him.

See there are several things he did wrong : he cd hv woken her up for humanitarian reasons but because he then kept deceiving her he compounded his wrongdoings.


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If that's true, he should've woken a man for company. But he wanted a sexual object for his pleasure.

IMO, this movie endorses rape.

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IMO, this movie endorses rape.

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Then you are tragically deluded about the concept. When a woman willingly and EAGERLY has sex with a man, even saying it's about time, that is NEVER "rape" no matter what b.s. and hateful nonsense gets spewed from man-hating feminist lesbians. You've been seriously misled.

There is no rape in the film.

There is consensual sex between adults, with no coercion at all. Being lied to or not told a truth is not rapefor example a man cheating on a partner with another woman is not a rapist, but they are liars to at least one of their sexual partners.



"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

I agree.

I don't see rape here. Both are adults. Chris' character is lied, deceived, and altered the course of someone's life without their consent. He cheated her of a life. I see it as homicide even though I understand his psyche but cannot condone. It wasn't right.

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He cheated her of a life.

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Totally disagree. If he hadn't woken her, she was deadhe GAVE her a life.

If he hadn't woken her up, she would have died when the ship exploded. It needed 2 people to fix it. So he saved her life and the lives of all 5000+ people on board. She didn't have the life she wanted when she went into stasis, but without him waking her up, her life was over.



"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

Jim didn't know that when he woke her. He did know that he could make a real effort to make her happy, which seems to have worked ; the life-saving bit and the 1 autodoc, usefully helped him to prove he was ( otherwise ) good.

Please see my thread What would Jim have wanted ? No sex

Although he didn't know it, it doesn't change the fact that his actions saved her life. If he hadn't woken her, she was dead. So like i say, its not the life she chose, but the choice was that or death.

In hindsight, she was very lucky he chose to wake someone up.



"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

For a similar ethical conflict, try Flight.

If I mug you on the way to the airport, so you miss your flight, which crashes ; then I saved your life. However, mugging could then be justified by saying I REALLY thought your plane was going to crash. See No Highway.

Jim being an Engineer, he could maybe have guessed that the ship had some other problems, and he might have tried to work out what they were. Just after waking Aurora, he should perhaps have made a big show of trying to work out how to wake someone early, eventually telling her, "If anything happens to me, and you need help, this is how to get it." He might even have suggested she might want to wake someone, who would be better company than he was ; that might have helped prove something, and maybe that was in his plan.

Jim might have worked out that maybe, sometime in the next 90 years, an event might occur that would need human help to fix. Some posters suggest Jim & Aurora died before the ship arrived. In case of that, perhaps the sensible thing for J & A to do, would be to wake a compatible couple, just 10 or 20 years out ; not a "death sentence", but an insurance policy for the others. He could probably rig a 1 week wake-up timer, that he reset every few days as a "dead-man's handle" ; in case they both died at the same time.

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If I mug you on the way to the airport, so you miss your flight, which crashes

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That situation is not a good comparison. Pratts decision saved the whole plane not just one passenger. Also his decision was not a petty criminal act like a mugging, he thought long and hard about what he did, even to the point of nearly killing himself rather than doing it. Also the person who was mugged WOULD think themselves lucky to have missed that fatal flight.

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Jim being an Engineer, he could maybe have guessed that the ship had some other problems

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But he didn't. It wasn't until the crewman woke that they realised how serious things were. If that crewman hadn't died so quickly he could have helped Pratt, but thats not what happened.

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"If anything happens to me, and you need help, this is how to get it."

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Once the cat was out of the bag, this would probably have been a good idea.

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In case of that, perhaps the sensible thing for J & A to do, would be to wake a compatible couple, just 10 or 20 years out

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Also would have been a good ideathey should have woken 2 of the crew, or even put one of themselves in stasis for the last ten years so they could be woken and explain what happened.



"I'll hit you with so many rights you'll be begging for a left."

Him and Fishburne's character might have been enough manpower to fix the ship. I don't remember them setting up Chris' character as a psychic - so he didn't know whether anything was wrong with the ship or not. So what if the ship exploded and they all died?? That's fate.

can't outrun your own shadow