The Martian : Sending a girl into space

Sending a girl into space

Great movie - but I don't think at the end you would send a girl into space to do the rescue, where physical strength could certainly be an issue.

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This "girl" you are talking about, was mission commander of the Ares 3 mission. And as commanding officer, she made the call. There is no debate.

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Sexist much?

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Do you speak English?

Are you aware that women are weaker than man, and thus physically capable of less tasks?

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Do you speak English?

Quite well you sad, sorry, sick excuse for a human being.


Are you aware that women are weaker than man, and thus physically capable of less tasks?


That is complete and utter male bovine excrement. Quite frankly, I know a few who could likely put a Gordian knot in your anus. Why do I get the impression that your last date with with a rubber woman and even she rejected you?

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Completely irrelevant though. It wasnt a question of strength. The question was to catch him, thus agility and speed was needed.

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Probably true of a tennis ball.
What about a bowling ball?

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Your nickname is misogynist.

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well, she's the boss so she outrules all the dudes.

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Well according to this (terrible) movie (and most of Ridley Scott's other "productions") girls do everything mate and the strength thing doesn't matter as long as they're all unfeasibly thin/hot which they always are of course, in addition to having nothing at all of interest to say or do, like most all other female "characters" that oust genuine talent so they can flaunt their painted ho selves at us all - apparently it's what "we" want or they wouldn't keep doing it ..............

Oh, Deus ... here is yet another disgruntled poster hating on Ridley Scott for being a Feminist.

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Oh, Deus ... here is yet another disgruntled poster hating on Ridley Scott for being a Feminist.


Just another misogynist lurking on IMDB.


Well according to this (terrible) movie (and most of Ridley Scott's other "productions") girls do everything mate and the strength thing doesn't matter as long as they're all unfeasibly thin/hot which they always are of course, in addition to having nothing at all of interest to say or do, like most all other female "characters" that oust genuine talent so they can flaunt their painted ho selves at us all - apparently it's what "we" want or they wouldn't keep doing it



And by the way, the actress portraying the mission commander is Jessica Chastain, a superb actor. She's done excellent work in many films, here her role is limited due to the wooden writing--so blame the writer not the actor.



Their painted ho selves


Wow, you are not well.





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Jessica Chastain is an ACTRESS, not an actor.

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Jessica Chastain is an ACTRESS, not an actor.


Actor: A person who acts in stage plays, motion pictures, television broadcasts, etc. (dictionary.com).



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He seems like the type that still calls flight attendants, "stewardesses". :-)

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So is there no such thing as an actress? Whom does the word refer to?

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Nothing

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Nope, an actress is a female actor. End. Of. Story.

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Great movie - but I don't think at the end you would send a girl into space to do the rescue, where physical strength could certainly be an issue.

Do you mean the girl who was in the military and also Commander of the Ares 3 Mars Mission?

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Completely agree although I will be slammed as sexist. Remember, we mustn't point out facts that offend women or we are branded sexist. It's pathetic

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I will be slammed as sexist.


At least you're aware of your shortcomings as a person.

Let's be bad guys.

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Or society's shortcomings in labeling everything they dont like as sexist.

While i do not agree with original poster, it is a fact that physical strenght is far superior in even untrained men, something many feminists do not want to admit. When someone is labeled as sexist for pointing out a fact it is not his personal shortcoming, but one of societys for puting their biases and feelings above facts.

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While i do not agree with original poster, it is a fact that physical strenght is far superior in even untrained men, something many feminists do not want to admit.


The place I work has buttons to open all the doors, or you can just open it manually. I was walking down the hall with a co-worker, a young lady whose hobby is the practice of mixed martial arts and who is something of a fitness fanatic. She pushed the button to open the doors ahead of us. I asked her about this, and she noted that to a woman those doors were heavy and hard to open. I never found them to be anything remarkable in that regard and only use the button if I've got my hands full or am pushing a cart or the like.

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"Or society's shortcomings in labeling everything they dont like as sexist."

Exactly right, this society of just trying to label everything that is even remotely negative about women as being misogynistic is retarded and everyone that attempts to do it also appears to be on the same intellectual level as one as well.

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So much stupidity in your one post. Amazing!

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men on average have only around 20% more muscle mass then woman. this in itself might sound like men are stronger. but this isn't true. no matter if you are a woman or a man. if you account for individual muscle fiber strength every person on earth has a total strength that could move 20 tonnes. strength training is not to build strength but a means to release strength that humans already posseses. having 20% less muscle mass simply means that woman have to work 20% more to gain strenght. meaning it is very likely that a military trained individual would have the required strength to move a man in outerspace

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No. Men have around 60% more upper body muscle strenght and around 30% lower body muscle strenght. Men, on average, ARE stronger tham women. That being said when it comes to individuals there is quite a lot variation. I have no doubt there are plenty of women stronger than me. However when it comes to extremes men still win. There was a good documentary by BBC (i think?) about the record holder for the strongest woman on earth. In one part of the documentary she went on and did some arm wrestling with people in the bar. Surprisingly, your average fit man would consistently win the arm wrestle. Apperently despite being strongest woman on earth, she was only as strong as an average fit man.

When it comes to space, i think in order to be sent to space you require to pass a certain level of physical fitness requirements and thus any woman that passed this requirement would be strong enough to move a man in outer space. Altrough rare, there are woman soldiers that pass all military strenght requirements. They constantly get angry at all those advocating for lower requirements for those who failed to pass.



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men on average have only around 20% more muscle mass then woman. this in itself might sound like men are stronger. but this isn't true. no matter if you are a woman or a man. if you account for individual muscle fiber strength every person on earth has a total strength that could move 20 tonnes. strength training is not to build strength but a means to release strength that humans already posseses. having 20% less muscle mass simply means that woman have to work 20% more to gain strenght. meaning it is very likely that a military trained individual would have the required strength to move a man in outerspace

If men on average are only 20% stronger than women, why do women have so much difficulty doing pull ups?

"55% of the female graduating class at boot camp failed the three pullup minimum"

http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-pullups-and-women

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Strength? You do realize the lack of gravity pretty much nullifies any strength advantage men have over women. But of course you do. It would be absurd to even think that you don't know what you're talking about.

Moving in space is all about finesse and patience, and has pretty much nothing to do with raw strength. If anything, the greater mass (on average) of a male would be a disadvantage, with energy being at a premium and whatnot, and as I once again don't need to point out simple physics, it takes more energy to move more mass.

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Huh? If you are floating past a heavy object in space, your strength will determine your ability to catch it.

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No because in space the weight of that object will be practically nothing. In space no one is "heavy" and thus even if she was extremely weak, then she would still be able to get the job done as well as Arnold Schwarzenegger... but then again don't forget she is a military woman so she is not weak either.

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The physics is a little more complicated.
Yes, things are floating in space because they are far enough away from any planet to be affected by it's gravity.
But we still have mass. For instance, if a human and an insect push against each other, the insect will move more because
it has less mass.
And stopping a moving insect will be easier than stopping a moving human, because it has less mass.
But crucially, speed increases your mass.

https://www.quora.com/Does-a-moving-object-gain-mass-or-weight

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... And stopping a moving insect will be easier than stopping a moving human, because it has less mass.
Yes. However...

But crucially, speed increases your mass.

'Relativistic mass' isn't really relevant to this discussion. Nothing's moving that fast!

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If a human body floated by slowly, you wouldn't need much strength to hold on to it.
If that body is moving faster, that speed increases it's mass relative to you - you would need more strength to hang on.
If it's moving fast enough, no-one could hang on.
Hence the original idea that you would send a strong person into space.

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If that body is moving faster, that speed increases it's mass relative to you - you would need more strength to hang on.


If it's moving fast enough for mass to change noticeably you probably aren't even going to see it coming.

The words you are looking for are "momentum" and "kinetic energy".

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Think of it this way - a bowling ball moving very slowly requires not much strength to stop it.
But try to stop a ball being bowled at a bowling alley with your hand - not so easy.
Being in space or not doesn't change this at all.

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Sure, but as JClarke says, that's not mass.
Momentum: force * time = mass * velocity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum
Kinetic energy: force * distance = 1/2 * mass * velocity^2.

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[Trying to move a large-ish mass in zero-gee,] Castor became impatient and suggested they give the line another tug. His father shook his head. Hazel added, "I saw a green hand at the space station try to hurry a load that way. Steel plate, it was."
"What happened?"
"He had started it with a pull; he thought he could stop it with a shove. They had to amputate both legs but they saved his life." Castor shut up.

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Think of it this way - a bowling ball moving very slowly requires not much strength to stop it.
But try to stop a ball being bowled at a bowling alley with your hand - not so easy.
Being in space or not doesn't change this at all.


While this is true, it is not because the mass of the ball changes.

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I was about to say that I didn't say that, then i checked and I wrote "speed increases your mass".
Quite wrong - it's a while since i did my physics, I remember the concepts, but clearly not the words.

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"No because in space the weight of that object will be practically nothing."

True, weight would be zero, but objects still have mass. Whether more strength is required to capture more massive objects (and thus moving with more momentum), I'll leave as an exercise for the reader.

But I will say this: in the book, the commander stayed in Hermes, commanding (which was her job, after all). I don't understand why the script writers had to change that (well, yes I do). I guess since "Gravity", we have to have female space heroes.

It's the politically correct thing to do after all.

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Some females are physically stronger than some males. European females tend to be bigger and stronger than oriental males. Should China not send people into space?

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European females tend to be bigger and stronger than oriental males. Should China not send people into space?


Bigger yes. That doesn't equate to stronger though.

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For purposes of using inertial mass to resist to pull of a moving object, then bigger is more important than stronger.

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because holding on to someone in the vacuum of space requires physical strength...


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because holding on to someone in the vacuum of space requires physical strength...


Stopping that someone does require physical strength.

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No. It requires mass.

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Thank you for making that trivial point.

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Don't you know that women can do anything men can do, and better?
(incidentally, that's the Affirmative Action motto)

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Don't you know that women can do anything men can do, and better?

And cheaper too. Or so I've heard.

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Did you not see the the dudes on the Ares? Jessica Chastain's probably stronger than any of them, except maybe for Muñoz.
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