Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens : Finn is a racist caricature - debate
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No. Just Stop. The only one turning this into a racist thing is you.
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Thanks you for responding.
If you'll kindly post your address I'll mail you your trophy for social justice bravery.
If you'll kindly post your address I'll mail you your trophy for social justice bravery.
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Well, yes, but everyone has their prejudices, even you brave warrior.
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Well, yes, but everyone has their prejudices, even you brave warrior.
So you literally just admitted to being a racist.
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Yes, like you should. Because you are.
And you're advocating the debasement of black men in film.
And you're advocating the debasement of black men in film.
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Can you elaborate on this? Are you ideologically racist? That is, are you like a white supremacist, or are you being provocative?
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Disney/Hollywood/KK is racist
no excuse for 'Droid Please' alone
Can you imagine Rey or Poe saying itor anyone else
no excuse for 'Droid Please' alone
Can you imagine Rey or Poe saying itor anyone else
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What's the big deal with "Droid Please"??? He was begging for the droid to cooperate with him! It WASN'T a "Droid Please" like [droid whatever] or [droid go on somewhere]. It was a literal plea. Y'all are dumbed down racist!
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Are you dense or sheltered? You never heard a black people say the phrase "N!gga Please!". Finn said that phrase the way he did for a "LOL HE'S A BLACK GUY" moment.
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No, YOU are actually the racist. But you need to grow older to see the error in your ways.
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no its true starwars 7 is racist and shows that feminist is whitefemales fighting white males but they are both identical. this film would have been equality and been good for feminism if both finn and rey were equals and both contributed and were standing in the end to take down kylo and both get training to be jedi. instead just the whites get to be the hero. i thought they were going to take starwars into a good direction. where you have heroes working together aka like the avengers and all beat down the baddy together instead of one white snowflake doing it.
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feminism is actually pretty dern racist if you look into it
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I can actually sense how hard a time you have with this because it all is true. They threw Fin under the bus to make Rey as strong as possible. The white master is now a woman, but it's still a white master.
It's very ridiculous and it makes your brainy hurt that it's so true.
It's very ridiculous and it makes your brainy hurt that it's so true.
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Thank you! The poster started a fire and you extinguished it.
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Havent you made this thread MULTIPLE times already? We get it you dont like Finn. And thats fine but why do people keep making the same thread over and over again, as if we didnt hear it the first time?
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Because it's worth being shared with all new members who didn't see the previous posts.
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Then just bump those threads man. To keep making new ones for the same topic feels like you're sinking attention.
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*seeking attention.
And I am.
Which is why I keep sharing this information.
To get attention.
And I am.
Which is why I keep sharing this information.
To get attention.
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Again you ALREADY have other threads on this. Just bump those. Thats what I'm saying instead of regurgitate the same dozen arguments over and over again.
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Let's make a compromise.
I keep posting new threads on this topic and you continue to tell me not to.
I keep posting new threads on this topic and you continue to tell me not to.
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Havent you made this thread MULTIPLE times already? We get it you dont like Finn. And thats fine but why do people keep making the same thread over and over again, as if we didnt hear it the first time?
I enjoyed Finn myself, but didn't you find it a bit odd that this one film had all these little moments surrounding this character, who so happened to be played by a black actor, that added up to a "this just doesn't feel right" reaction?
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Finn wasnt perfect, but none of the characters were. I think saying he's a racist caricature just goes way too far IMO. And some of the Ops 'points' are just utterly ridiculous. But yes thats my opinion. I'm not getting on other peoples case if they see that I'm only saying the OP has made this numerous times already. We get it.
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Finn wasnt perfect, but none of the characters were. I think saying he's a racist caricature just goes way too far IMO.
Probably because you're ignorant to the history of racist black stereotyping in film.
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Please man I'm black and I watch all the same damn films you do. I didnt say I didnt agree with none of them but some of your 'points' are so ridiculous. They wouldnt like him if he was white? WTF does that mean? The guy who risked his life to save one of their men and then went to shut the shields down? And when the hell did he become a 'force user'?
Anyway this thread is just eye rolling to me so I'll step out of it now.
And yeah it looks like it wont be making the $2.5 billion you were pretty sure about a few weeks ago. Told you.
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Anyway this thread is just eye rolling to me so I'll step out of it now.
And yeah it looks like it wont be making the $2.5 billion you were pretty sure about a few weeks ago. Told you.
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You don't think Finn has Force ability?
If Finn were played by some white actor barely anyone knew before, he'd get blasted for being so annoying.
Did I say *near* 2.5 bil.? And possibly, not definitively?
If Finn were played by some white actor barely anyone knew before, he'd get blasted for being so annoying.
Did I say *near* 2.5 bil.? And possibly, not definitively?
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You claiming to be black means nothing
We had a full thread of linking to black reviewers calling this film racist :)
We had a full thread of linking to black reviewers calling this film racist :)
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I can see some black guys liking Finn because he's good hearted, a white girl likes him and kisses him.
Kind of makes up for the stereotyping in the eyes of some, I guess.
Kind of makes up for the stereotyping in the eyes of some, I guess.
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I've seen the opposite actually
The videos I've seen call Finn emasculated, and they say if he were white he would have gotten a proper kiss
The videos I've seen call Finn emasculated, and they say if he were white he would have gotten a proper kiss
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That's why I said some. Not most.
I can can see some black guys liking Finn because he was written as good hearted and the white girl likes him, kisses him.
I can can see some black guys liking Finn because he was written as good hearted and the white girl likes him, kisses him.
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I can see some black guys liking Finn because he's good hearted, a white girl likes him and kisses him.
I definitely felt the lack of a proper kiss was extremely bizarre, and probably a sign of a racist Hollywood system, or that America is somehow being way behind in this area. I doubt a white person would even have noticed itbut I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, and hoping they save a proper kiss for the end of the third film.
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How can you properly kiss a man in a coma?? Where do you people come from??
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He was a racist character
They told a UK actor to act this way
It wasn't even subtle
They told a UK actor to act this way
It wasn't even subtle
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Finn wasnt perfect, but none of the characters were. I think saying he's a racist caricature just goes way too far IMO. And some of the Ops 'points' are just utterly ridiculous. But yes thats my opinion. I'm not getting on other peoples case if they see that I'm only saying the OP has made this numerous times already. We get it.
Nobody's talking about Finn being perfect. It just feels to me that some of the things associated with this character, added up, don't look right considering the fact that he just so happens to be played by a black actor.
- drinks from a dirty animal trough
- accused of stealing and is tased
- some of his comedy reminds me of Kevin Hart
- works in sanitation
Not that black characters in Star Wars can't have any of these traits
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I used to think Ray was impartial and a fence sitter but at least he's being honest about who he really is.
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Your analysis of the Finn character is completely correct. If Poe had named him "Friday" or "Rastus" some of the uneducated and unwashed fans of Jar Jar's celluloid tripe might just begin to notice that the Black guy is actually depicted as an inferior who constantly runs away, kills his former comrades, deserts his new friends, needs to be saved from every fight and danger he faces (usually by a girl) and turns out to be a garbage worker.
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Finn drinks out of a dirty animal trough. Come on. You know they wouldn't have pulled that mess with their white female lead.
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after being accused of theft.
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Not good, but what do you expect?
When a White/Jewish man writes/directs a Black character, more often than not, they will write/direct according to stereotype.
The first sign was dropping the British accent when there was no artistic reason to do so in a galaxy far, far away.
Same thing happens to Asian characters when they are written/directed by White/Jewish males. A stereotype usually emerges.
It wasn't like this in 1980 with Lando administrator of Cloud City.
When a White/Jewish man writes/directs a Black character, more often than not, they will write/direct according to stereotype.
The first sign was dropping the British accent when there was no artistic reason to do so in a galaxy far, far away.
Same thing happens to Asian characters when they are written/directed by White/Jewish males. A stereotype usually emerges.
It wasn't like this in 1980 with Lando administrator of Cloud City.
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What the hell does being Jewish have to do with it? Do you think a white Christian would have created a more accurate representation of black people? The point is that white people Dont understand the black experience. If anything, a white Jew might have a better chance at understanding the challenges of being treated as an 'other' by white people, considering they're the second most mistreated group throughout history.
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Panicky runaway, initially has no name but is given one, horny, sanitation worker, ineffectual, slang talking, drinks out of an animal trough, gets lashed across the back. I noticed all this stuff too. Surprised there aren't a dozen angry think-pieces about it online by now.
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A few black guys who have criticized Finn's portrayal claim it's because black people in general are way too happy just to have a lead role in Star Wars.
I don't know how true that is though. I'm having some trouble finding many black reviews on Google.
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I don't know how true that is though. I'm having some trouble finding many black reviews on Google.
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I also forgot, Finn is immediately profiled as a thief when first meeting Rey (BB-8 tells Rey Finn stole Poe's jacket). Notice how Rey's response to Finn "the thief" is also so much more violent than her response to that little gnome riding the rhino (or whatever) dragging a sentient BB-8 across the dunes in a net. Ray also says something like "that jacket belongs to BB-8's master" to a black character. So Finn is accused of stealing from someone else's "master." I know droids call their human owners "master" but I kinda cringed.
It's probably all innocent coincidence, but it's hard to miss if you can read the subtleties. I work in media so I have to be aware of this kind of stuff, so as not to offend anybody. PC world we live in.
It's probably all innocent coincidence, but it's hard to miss if you can read the subtleties. I work in media so I have to be aware of this kind of stuff, so as not to offend anybody. PC world we live in.
Finn is a racist caricature - debate
He acts like Will Smith.
He dogs women.
He's a floor mopper.
He's ineffectual.
He jive talks.
He drinks from a water trough right next to a pig.
He would be disliked more if he were white. He gets a free pass for being a black Force user.
He gets lashed across the back by his strong white owner.
He gladly accepts the new name given to him by a paler skinned man.