Riverdale : The Archie/Grundy fling is soooo distasteful

Yes, the show is supposed to be dark, I get it. But that crossed the line. The fact that it seems to be glamorized is the most fcked up thing about it. This crap is epidemic in high schools right now without TV starting to glorify it. If the genders were reversed, we'd never hear the end of it on social media.

Realistically, Grundy shouldn't be living 1000 ft near a school.


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I do not approve of it either.

Nope.arya has had an on again off again affair withep her teacher ezra on pretty little liars for years. And frankly guys don't care if the person giving them sex is ten years older.

Its not glorifying it, its giving him a reason to blackmail her to teach him music.

Sorry but the gender argument doesn't work in this case. Aria and Ezra Fitz had a student-teacher relationship on Pretty Little Liars for years. They are probably the most popular ship and if anyone points out how wrong it is, the showrunners and fans do not care. In fact, the show runners love to sell them as soulmates. And it isn't only that couple the show has a history of much older men having questionable relationships with young girl characters. No outrage on social media, the show is popular on social media. People seem to eat up everything PLL throws at them.

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I really don't care about that show. If they're promoting that kind of thing then it's guilty of the same crap as well.


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Promoting?
You need a dictionary.

So I guess by your standards, the News is promoting murder, robbery, fires, terrorism, and the weather.

You're an idiot.

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Promoting?
You need a dictionary.

So I guess by your standards, the News is promoting murder, robbery, fires, terrorism, and the weather.

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I think you're the one who needs a dictionary. PLL has been romanticizing a "hot for teacher" relationship, therefore they have been promoting that sort of thing. The news doesn't glorify murder, robbery, terrorism, etc in any way.

Or you have a skewed vision of "romanticizing".

Ew, really?

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Yep. I believe if memory serves correctly it is the first episode one of the main characters who is 15 I think is kissed by her sister's fiance who is 25 or something. This character has a history with her sister's much older boyfriends being creepy towards her. And then there are others in the group who have not only teachers but cops interested in them.

This is not all even mentioning the showrunners obsession with the literary classic Lolita (which is about a pedophile's obsession with his victim/his justifications). This book is referenced all the time in character alias like 'Vivan Darkbloom' and well the girl who the whole mystery is based around is framed as a Lolita. The teacher having an affair with the student, well his favourite book is 'Lolita' too. There is not an adult male in town who didn't seem to know her and also did know that she was 14 when they were 'helping' her with whatever her outlandish and ridiculous plans were.

I won't even get into the incest ships on that show. People find out some characters are half brother and sister and it still doesn't stop their passion for the ship. There is forced sex between step sister and brother, and there is a point where a character dated a sibling. The sibling knew they were related but he had no idea. I finally learned to stop wasting my time and bailed.


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Disgusting. I knew there was a reason I never even attempted to watch PLL.

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Considering Grundy was an old lady in the comics, I can't help but wretch just thinking about it.

Shes like 25 here. And he is 16

What weirded me out was that she looks like one of my son's teachers, and my 16 year old son resembles Archie a bit (though he's a true red-head with dark brown eyes).

Illegal and disgusting.

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Grow up.

They basically look the same age. Its not icky its just daft. They are a tv stereotype of a teacher/pupil relationship. Same as that couple in PLL. Just mess around with the make up a bit and they could make the 'student' look way older than the 'teacher' with ease.

It doesn't matter if they look the same age. She's an adult. It's disgusting and illegal. Period.

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Grow up? Really? Because I think statutory rape is illegal and disgusting? It is.

There is no Flash without Iris West.

Believe me if a sixteen year old guy didn't want to have sex with a 24 year old teacher he wouldn't.

Doesn't matter what they want or not, the adult is not supposed to perpetuate it, period.


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He doesn't see it as rape, which it clearly is. That's a shame.

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It's rape. It's wrong. I'm disgusted this show went with this angle and I won't be watching it. This is how men suffer from misogyny. A male victim is told that he's lucky. I stopped watching Pretty Little Liars the moment it happened and I'm shocked parents let it stay on the air. NEITHER show will date well.

You see the comments on here acting like it's sexy and okay? One said she's like 25 and he's 16. Like that means something. She's an adult and should know better. It's rape. Period. She should be in jail.

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I have to wonder why you are spending so much of your time defending this. Archie isn't 16, he's probably 15, which is when people start their sophomore year, unless he's stupid and was held back. The reason a teacher and a student is wrong is the same reason that a boss and employee, patient and doctor etc is either illegal or morally wrong and that's because there is a power shift in the relationship that will never be equalized.

Also, just because a 15 year old boy wants to bone a 25 year old woman, that doesn't mean he should be doing it. What if she gets pregnant? What if she wants a serious relationship and hejust wants sex? What if he wants a serious relationship and she just wants sex? What does a 25 year old teacher have in common with a 15 year old student? Not too much. How they spend their time, their level of responsibility, their maturity is all totally different. This is unhealthy any way you look at it.

It's a fantasy that you think is hot and you get your rocks off to it. Fine. I have no problem with that because it's a fantasy. But as part of the narrative of this show it puts BOTH characters in a bad light. We don't get the relationship or the romance, we just get the afterwards, so basically it's meaningless, except that it makes us judge these characters in a bad light. It was a stupid idea that as the OP said, is distasteful.

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statutory rape is illegal and disgusting

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Do we know what state Riverdale is in? In more than half of the US states (and all of Canada, where the show is filmed), the age of consent is 16. There may be school policies prohibiting a student/teacher relationship, but it wouldn't be illegal (AKA statutory). "Disgusting" is a matter of personal taste, but "illegal" would depend on where they're located.

The genders were reversed on Pretty Little Liars with Aria and Ezra, and fans loved them together.

I totally agree. It's disgusting af.

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I agree! It would've been one thing if she didn't know he was a student, but she knew who he was and picked him up like she couldn't control herself. I'm not saying that these shows are the reason that these idiot teachers sleep with their students, but it would be great if these shows stopped glamouring this and making it seem sexy. Anyone with half a brain cell can understand how detestable this is. Maybe I'm making a big deal of this because I'm a teacher, but how do you have this profession and not see your student as just kids? I can't understand this, its just wrong.

You're a teacher? Hopefully not english/vocab.

And we don't know the whole story. We saw her offer him a ride and then we saw them having sex in her car later. But when they had sex it was raining and when she offered him a ride it wasn't. So it might not have been on the same day.

I could see the lust in her eyes when she offered him that "ride".

So I make a post that you don't agree with and your first instinct is to make a stupid comment about my English/vocab on an online site, very mature. She was able to identify him as her STUDENT. If you had a 15/16 y/o child, (which I sincerely hope you do not as your reasoning is questionable at best) you certainly wouldn't want their teachers picking them up during their summer vacation for an afternoon delight.

Plus technically she wasn't his teacher at the time. This was over summer break.

You need help.

There is no Flash without Iris West.

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Get help and never become a parent. If you think it's okay for adults to sleep with children, then you need help. Nothing else for me to say to you.

There is no Flash without Iris West.

The script may have glamorized it, unfortunately. And I agree that it went too far (I'm all for dark Archie, but having him bang Miss Grundy is a step too far). But I don't think the director was glamorizing it at all.

Look at the way the sex scene was shot. It appears to be an homage to It Follows (which actually has a similar logo to Riverdale, but that's another matter entirely).

http://nofilmschool.com/sites/default/files/styles/facebook/public/it_follows.jpg?itok=62xLQgxc

So the director at least seemed to try and deliberately frame it as creepy.

I will say that it bothers the hell out of me that the script seems to frame statutory rape as romance. That and the fact that they're apparently erasing Jughead's asexuality are two major problems for me.

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That and the fact that they're apparently erasing Jughead's asexuality are two major problems for me.

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. We saw nothing to indicate jughead is interested in either sex

THANK YOU!!! I was wondering if I missed something or watched some kind of edited version.

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The whole teacher/student fling is such a tired concept in TV now. They need to stop including it as if it's shocking anymore. It's gross and not sexy at all.

I really did not care for this story line. I know Archie's girl-obsessed in the comics, but I think that's pushing it.

Yes, I am also sick of that trope.

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