Special and Visual Effects : Stop the CGI

Stop the CGI

Posted 2s ago by tommyholtslander
CGI take a step back!

People are always looking for good CGI in movies. Why? If you want CGI go play a video game! Movies are an art form. The cinematography, lighting, acting, writing, etc. are tools for this art. CGI is a cheap way to paint attractiveness to your movie. I watched the Star Trek into darkness trailer and not only was I shocked at the destruction of Star Trek but all I saw was CGI explosions everywhere! Lens flares! It's disgusting and for a super famous director like JJ Abrams he should know how to make a movie with little to no CGI!
I just feel like CGI is a gimmick to get people to see your movies. Just look at Avatar. A CG fest! The computer characters look terrible against a real background and extremely bad long side
real people! The movie look good as a whole computer animation! But how the
hell did a CGI animated movie win an Oscar for cinematography?! Theirs is no camera! You just set the anchor points in a computer program and the computer does the rest!
I beg you Hollywood stop to CGI. Real film lovers miss the real movie and will appreciate a real film.

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As a CG animator, I have to say that this post is just wrong on so quite a few levels. And it's a bit insulting too. Though none of this is nothing I haven't heard before.

I often find that people are very uneducated when it comes to what exactly goes into CGI. I do a lot of animation and I pour my heart and soul into every single frame of my work.


CGI is a cheap way to paint attractiveness to your movie.


Okay, first things first... CGI is NOT cheap. Why do you think Avatar $240 million to make??

CGI is not cheap and it is certainly not easy to do. People who say that (and I'm not just picking on you... I hear this a lot) are just ignorant to the whole process.


Movies are an art form.


So is CGI. Animation is just as valid an artform as "traditional" film.


The cinematography, lighting, acting, writing, etc. are tools for this art.


ALL of these things apply to doing CG animation. Obviously you have to compose and lay out your shots in an appealing way (cinematography), and light them (lighting) digitally.

As for acting, that title would go to the animators for sure. The characters have to walk, talk, and emote.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't just sit around pushing buttons while the computer does all the animation for us.

We actually have to give a performance but give it one frame at a time. It takes a long time and it's A LOT of work. It's certainly not quick or automated as is the myth. Even when motion-capture is involved there is still a lot of animation work that is done after the initial data is captured.


But how the
hell did a CGI animated movie win an Oscar for cinematography?! Theirs is no camera! You just set the anchor points in a computer program and the computer does the rest!


Just because there isn't a physical camera doesn't mean that the principles of cinematography don't apply

You still have to set up and animate the cameras which is not an automated process at all... far from it. It takes a lot of time and it's an artform in and of itself.

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I agree cgi is so awesome. The ship on Poseidon was all CGI. The dinosaurs in Jurassic park where CGI. It's better than haveing puppet dinosaurs.

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Jurassic Park used puppets and practical effects more than you may think:

http://io9.com/5890628/an-absurdly-cool-behind-the-scenes-look-at-the-jurassic-park-dinosaur-puppets

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As someone who has attempted to make simple animations in my spare time, I agree with JimTheAnimator completely. The problem I see with CGI is that it isn't subtle. A lot of CG shots, while amazing technical achievements, are the equivalent of "overacting," which makes it feel like a cheap trick.

I guess what I'm saying is, animation is a valid art form, but many animators aren't artists. (Just like many actors, directors, etc. aren't good).

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I'm a huge fan of practical effects, although I have nothing against CGI. It's like oil painting vs. watercolors. They're both valid ways of making art. I do find it funny though, how much work people think is CGI, that is not. The comment that the dinosaurs in Jurassic Part are CGI, while true, is not exclusively true. CGI was only used when no other way would work. They built a full sized T-Rex and almost all the other dinosaurs were built as practical effects and used in camera, yet CGI got all the credit. My suggestion is to keep throwing support being practical effects movies like Evil Dead. Did you know that PFX company Amalgamated Dynamics Inc. is now using Kickstarter to fund their own practical effects monster movie, called Harbinger Down? I pledged to it, because I love the art.

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I somewhat agree with the OP. I wouldn't sh#t on the animators,programmers,artists etc who put a lot of work into their craft but the amount of CGI and more specifically, bad CGI, in almost every movie is ridiculous. I remember when CGI was something reserved primarily for the depictions of unwordly things or things that do not exist in real life. Even then, there were animatronics and models used to supplement the CGI. Think about Independence Day. A lot of a that movie is just visual effects with CGI reserved for depicting the aerial battles and space scenes. Same thing goes for 2001:A Space Odyssey. That entire film looked real to me whereas now when I watch Star Trek into Darkness, my mind does not accept the CGI ships as being real. Yes, they glisten and are extremely well textured animated and intergrated into the landscape of space but they look like they should be in a videogame cut-scene or a CGI film, not a live action blockbuster. But the new Star Trek films are good CGI nontheless whereasCGI in Olympus Has Fallen is just awful and out of place for a film taking place on earth in the modern times. I am sure there are reasons that filmakers go the CGI route to depict even the most ordinary things. I imagine money may have something to do with it but I really doubt it because I believe that for every frame of computer graphics there is several hours of intensive work from many people at play.

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Movies aren't supposed to be about art. They're an entertainment form, like music or books. I'll grant that there are a lot of movies out there with gorgeous cinematography, like The Lord of the Rings movies, but that doesn't mean that I don't accept cgi too. A few cgi movies are funny and worth my watch.

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Do us all a favor. Download Maya and try just try to make anything remotely close to what you see in film.

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^IMDB needs a "like" button

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1. it takes less time and money than good practical effects.


http://youtu.be/ztVMib1T4T4


CGI is here to stay

Every 4 yrs. computers become twice as fast & twice as powerful. Yay for CGI. I'd rather see CGI than another guy in a rubber suit with a mask. And yes, movies are constantly & continually about the ART of it all from, set design, to costumes, to lighting, special effects, to casting,to music, to choosing what lenses are to be used & everything. Movie making is an art-from beginning to end.
And yes, there very definitely an art to good CGI effects

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1. False
2. False
3. You are dumb and ignorant.

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CGI is a great tool however it has to be used in a way that connects with the audience. I think the biggest downfall of CGI is when a movie shoots the movie in a way that is physically impossible with a real camera.

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I agree with Tommy to an extent.

Computer graphics/animation have come very far in technological advancement. It seems apparent that this is some sort of excuse to make redundant the use of other elements such as robotics, costume or puppetry. Whilst you could say that they still exist, some directors are excessively replacing these areas with the use of CG. Peter Jackson is a perfect example.
The abuse of computer graphics causes a scene to loose its sense of realism. This affects the audience’s relationship with the ‘created world’.
I do believe that there are areas of production, which benefit greatly from CG when implemented properly using the right balance of lighting and color correction in post. There are areas in films, which CG is obviously the better alternative, however, to see certain elements of a film painted in CG when a more realistic replacement (e.g. Costume) could have served better, annoys me.
I do think that both Hollywood and directors should take a step back from its use of CG and blend it evenly with realistic alternatives to create the best result.

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CGI is just a tool. There's nothing wrong with it in of itself. I can't stand this "NO CGI" whining nonsense. If people don't like it being overused or are going to complain about a movie using it at all, I honestly don't know how to change your mind nor have the patience to.

What's missing in movies is same as in society: a good sense of work ethic and living up to ideals.

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It's pretty good now. The New Mutants and Avengers End Game is a great example.

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If it is done well then I do like CGI in Movies although I do like it more when Movies do Practical Effects.

Honestly, When it comes to the Subject of Practical Effects in Movies…..The Best Practical Effects that I have ever seen in a Movie are the Practical Effects that were done in the 1982 Movie "John Carpenter's THE THING".
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