Predator 2 : Failure due to casting of Glover

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I merely wondered aloud why you seemed to be fixated on profit margin. Makes no sense.
Because that is the gist of my post, yet you are conflating around this.

Hence the constant whining about Glover. You're made that clear.
How dare I undermine your hero….

Yes, it's known as mere worthless speculation. That's all it is, but you're never going to admit that.
It called insight sunshine, something you don't seem to possess much of.


Speculation and opinion of the level you're pursuing is not a flattering thing to see.

Someday you could come to see just how unflattering.
Your obstinate attitude is what is unflattering.

He did a great job. I can't imagine another actor in the lead making it better, but we will never know, will we?
More diversion, to avoid the essence of the point made. Glover didn't have marquee light-up to help prop the film up. What other reason is there?

I have yet to hear a decent one from you. Glover only came on board after 3 initial leading action stars pulled out, including Schwarzenegger.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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It called insight sunshine, something you don't seem to possess much of.
Mere worthless speculation is not "insight."
Your obstinate attitude is what is unflattering.
Says the obstinate one. All I'm doing is pointing out your guesswork is not truth. If I'm obstinate about reminding you of that, it's because you're not waking up to the fact your speculation does not rise to the level you think it does.
Glover didn't have marquee light-up to help prop the film up.
He rocked that role. You can't appreciate it or think someone else would have lit up the box office like a bottle rocket. Mere worthless speculation.

Get over yourself. Enjoy the film. Enjoy life. You're needlessly beating your head against the wall. Beating a dead horse. Making stuff up. Humiliating yourself. Looking desperate. Not being your best self.

Have fun with that.

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Well, the image in avatar says all I need to know about what is really you, projecting onto me.

Mere worthless speculation is not "insight."
Worthless, in the eyes of the worthless only…

He rocked that role. You can't appreciate it or think someone else would have lit up the box office like a bottle rocket. Mere worthless speculation.
He did ok, but he hardly rocked the box office, and that is the main point. If all those that flocked to see Arnie's Predator, sure didn't rush out to see Glover in this one.

They couldn't even market it with Glover Predator 2. He just didn't have the plug a bigger action star would. Deny it all you like, but your insight light is just dim.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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He did ok, but he hardly rocked the box office, and that is the main point.
He rocked the role and "ok" doesn't do him justice.

And btw, unless you're just a bean counter, box office is not the main point for a movie fan.

What's on the screen is the main point. The story. The characters.

Get outta here with your "main point."
They couldn't even market it with Glover Predator 2. He just didn't have the plug a bigger action star would.
More bean counter talk.



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Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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That's right, Glover is still counting the money he made from P2.

"Main point" that, bitch.



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Sounds entitled to me and he didn't cut the mustard for the studio fiscally.

He's spent it already and wants a govt handout….



Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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What do you mean by "sounds entitled to me?"

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Are you black?

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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No. Are you afraid to answer the question?
What do you mean by "sounds entitled to me?"


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I think that gif explains it all.

Are you black?

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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I think that gif explains it all.

Are you black?
I'm caucasian. You're not paying attention.

Why don't you answer the question?

You're afraid anything you say will display your racism.



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You are a woke virtue signalling git.

Why don't you use your own insight about what Glover is asking for in that gif and why, if you can?

I am calling out "woke" casting, because that is what it ended up being. If the film was a huge success, which is wasn't, they could have given Glover a pat on the back. It was to pander to a black audience, that would have like The Cosby Show as well. May as well have cast Bill. The film might have made more money…

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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First, you suspected I am black. Now you're saying I'm a "woke virtue signalling git."

Speculation is your worst enemy as you are wrong 100% of the time.

You need to spend a little time actually trying to imagine Segal, Van Damme, and any of the other "big names" in the role you think would have brought you box office bliss.

If you're honest with yourself, you'll realize none of them would have worked as well as Glover.

Go ahead…… meditate on it and shut off the bean counting part of your brain.

The trailer (read some of the comments after you watch it):



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You are a "woke" virtue signalling git and you are a liar, because you are black and Glover failed to sound off the box office bells…..

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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If I was a woke black, I would be proudly proclaiming it, but you are too stupid to think that through.

Congrats on falling flat on your face again.

You seem to enjoy it.



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You as black as night boy!

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Again, if I was a woke black, I would be proudly proclaiming it, but you are too stupid to think that through.

.0003/10

Try harder next time.

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Ok, you're not woke, just black….

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Nah.

Should I take a pic of my hand with a current newspaper under it?

Nah, you'd still figure out a way to concoct a lie.

Just keep whining about the bean counting. That's your shtick.



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Beans mean business. Those that decided to cast Glover as lead weren't shrewd enough. Had Predator 2 been a huge hit, then Hopkins may have had a better career as a director too.

You's be a brother in denial, like you about Glover's casting.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Beans mean business. Those that decided to cast Glover as lead weren't shrewd enough. Had Predator 2 been a huge hit, then Hopkins may have had a better career as a director too.

You's be a brother in denial, like you about Glover's casting.
Good. I finally shut you down on your stupid racial lie.

But now you're back to whining about beans.

People who love to whine are boring.

Are you beginning to bore yourself yet?



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Good. I finally shut you down on your stupid racial lie.
What is wrong with being black "other" racist?

Your whining about others whining can be tiresome, but I'd say every person you've had a relationship with in your life, which would be pretty much nada, would have already told you this.

Are you that bored with yourself, that you want to bore others?



Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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What is wrong with being black
Nothing. It's your lying that is wrong.

Just like every other speculation you've made about me because you're going crazy trying to score points in this discussion.
Your whining about others whining can be tiresome, but I'd say every person you've had a relationship with in your life, which would be pretty much nada, would have already told you this.
And you'd be wrong about 2 things there. Again.

First, I have yet to whine in this discussion. Second, I have and have had many relationships, and not one has told me I'm tiresome in any way.
Are you that bored with yourself, that you want to bore others?
I'm never bored. Only boring people get bored.

Never bored.

Never.

People of my intelligence level don't have that problem.

Should I call you Mr. Speculation?

It's all you do.

Otherwise known as just making stuff up.

Would you prefer Mr. JustMakingStuffUp?



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Your bipolar black ass, is one conceited and arrogant Mutha Fucka!

You give the brothers a bad name.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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You have the sad, petulant inability to debate/discuss of a 12 year old.

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You carry on like a hormonal and petulant 12yr old in the throes of puberty confusion. It's what you relate too.

Now don't forget….



Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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TC, the defeated whiny bean counter shows his anger. ^

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Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Good point.

Yeah, after taking him out of the predator costume why not have him fight the Pred. side by side with Arnie.

Is it creative to have an uncreative signature such as this one?

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Glover is a fine actor, but he was not leading man material and could not sell this film.
Hmmmph. The film did pretty well, IMO:

Predator
Budget - $15,000,000 (estimated)
Gross worldwide - $98,268,458

Predator 2
Budget - $35,000,000 (estimated)
Gross worldwide - $57,120,318

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Look at the budget to box office ratio comparisons and you will see it barely broke even.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Look at the budget to box office ratio comparisons and you will see it barely broke even.

$35M budget producing $56M gross worldwide is much better than "barely broke even," Hoss.

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A film needs to recoup its costs if bigger budgeted to be considered a hit. It doesn't mean the film is bad, it just didn't quite get there. The budget stated, likely didn't even include marketing costs.

It made $21mill dollars by your reasoning. That is not a huge hit.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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It made $21mill dollars by your reasoning. That is not a huge hit.
Show me where I said or implied it was a "huge hit."

You're not very good at this.



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You said it wasn't a failure by any stretch. Box office wise it was, when you compare the first and what it cost to make.

Predator 2 would have more of a cult following, which often happens with well made, but fallen short of profit expectations.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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You said it wasn't a failure by any stretch. Box office wise it was, when you compare the first and what it cost to make.
This is you showing me where I said it was a "huge hit?"
Predator 2 would have more of a cult following, which often happens with well made, but fallen short of profit expectations.
You seem to be focused on "profit expectations" as if you know someone involved with the studio.

Or maybe you read something about this in Variety or some other entertainment rag.



Which is it?

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You seem to be focused on "profit expectations" as if you know someone involved with the studio.

It's common sense. Oh, lets spend $35 mill on a sequel to Predator, a smash hit, but it doesn't matter if we don't make a big profit. That is not how it works in the corporate world and movie making is a big business.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Keep whining, bitch.



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More like, where did Predator 2 go wrong with the lead casting….



Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Whine some more.

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Ok!

Glover was miscast as a leading actor and he was cast because the producers couldn't secure the lead from the first and the director wanted to dictate what he thought would work better. It was also black actor pandering in the end, known as "woke" today.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Ok!

Glover was miscast as a leading actor and he was cast because the producers couldn't secure the lead from the first and the director wanted to dictate what he thought would work better.
Glover did work better in that role. He was incredible.

You: "But box office! It's the entire point of movies! Anything less than a blockbuster was total failure!"

Nah.
It was also black actor pandering in the end, known as "woke" today.
So you finally admit it. You're a racist hater.


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Glover did work better in that role. He was incredible.
All subjective and he was adequate. Incredible is your bonehead superlative.

You: "But box office! It's the entire point of movies! Anything less than a blockbuster was total failure!"
I am pointing out an aspect of the main reason for the less than stellar box office of the film. Like it or not, there was NO big name to light up the marquee. It didn't sell on star power like the first.

So you finally admit it. You're a racist hater.
Typical woketard, that sees racism in everything, even when the truth bites them on the ass. You are one of the other racists.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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All subjective and he was adequate. Incredible is your bonehead superlative.
He was much better than adequate, you petulant moron.
I am pointing out an aspect of the main reason for the less than stellar box office of the film. Like it or not, there was NO big name to light up the marquee.
Wrong. Danny Glover was indeed a big name, especially at the time.

Box office is important to bean counters like you. Not important to those who value how well the film works.
Typical woketard, that sees racism in everything, even when the truth bites them on the ass. You are one of the other racists.
No, your saying it was "black actor pandering" is clearly racist.

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So how come the film wasn't advertised with his name above the title?

What is your lame reasoning why the film wasn't successful like the first?

Yes, you are one of the other racists and yes, it was "woke" casting.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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The amount of your whining regarding your obsession with the bean counting is clearly related to your low I.Q.

Every time you whine, your I.Q. drops about 10 points.

At this point, you're at about -420 I.Q.

How low can you go?



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Nowhere near as low as Glover brought to the box office numbers in Predator 2…..



Norman! What did you put in my tea?

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Pathetic response. It's like something a petulant 12 year old would post.

You continue to find ways to drop your I.Q.

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I take my cues from you dopey.

Norman! What did you put in my tea?
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