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The torture & murder of Anthony Avalos was an anti-gay hate crime.

Fucking animals.



Man charged with killing boy, 10, who reportedly came out as gay

Anthony Avalos died last week after a 911 call from his home. His mom's boyfriend was arrested, and some suspect that homophobia played a part in Anthony's death.

A man described as a member of a violent gang was arrested Wednesday and charged with murder in the death of a 10-year-old boy in Southern California, officials said. The boy, Anthony Avalos, had recently come out as gay, a county official said, and some suspect that homophobia played a role in his death.

Before Leiva’s arrest, Brandon Nichols, deputy director of the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services, told The Los Angeles Times that Anthony had “said he liked boys” in the weeks prior to his death. The department confirmed this detail to NBC Los Angeles but declined to provide additional details.

However, Avalos’ uncle David Barron, the brother of Heather Barron and a co-worker of Leiva’s, told NBC News that Leiva has a history of homophobia. He recalled a number of times when Leiva said he was “uncomfortable just being around” gay men.

Caseworkers reportedly documented that Leiva was a member of MS-13, the criminal gang frequently mentioned by President Donald Trump during his immigration speeches. At least one branch of the gang, located in El Salvador, reportedly kills members found to be gay.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/man-charged-killing-boy-10-who-reportedly-came-out-gay-n887221


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That is for sure in the top 3 most fucked up things I have read on the internet and thats a hard top 3 to get into man. Fucking pieces of shit.

I dare not play the video atm, just dont wanna see it, but do they show any pics of this asshole? does he look like some skinny druggie who would be perfect for some good old prison love?

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No, the father is a fat gangster type.

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Back in western times he would have been hung the same day he was convicted, he is gunna get to live at least another 15 years. I hope he gets stabbed by some rival gangster in jail.

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Guys like that get killed in prison pretty quickly. Of course they'll put him in Protective Custody but somebody will kill him for the hero rights. The mother has been found guilty too.

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So she should. She could have tried to date a lawyer, or a doctor or hell a guy who works at BK but no she chose a violent bigoted gang banger.

is the guy handsome at all? I guess your not in a mood to compliment a guy like that on his looks but putting a pin in that for a sec, is he good looking?

Because if she chose looks over sense then yeah, she is a cunt morally.

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Just watch the report. But no, he was a fat ugly cholo type with his hair pulled up in a bun like a moron. I guess he wasn't the father, but a step father or a live-in boyfriend.

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god he looks like the fat mexican version of someone but i dont know who

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….with his hair pulled up in a bun like a moron.

F<>k I hate that! One of my Spanish flatmates used to do that. He was losing his hair, but still had plenty at the back, so I guess he felt some sense of security that he had hair at least he could tie it up. It looks so unappealing to me, but who am I!!!!

I really feel any homophobic motive is really irrelevant here, especially since it involves a 10yr old boy who is prepubescent. Even if it was the motive, what does that prove? That is just a narrative being played out for media sensationalism.

What is relevant, is that these soulless demons of society are allowed to breed and not take on full onus and responsibility for their children they really shouldn't be having. What can be done about this? Its just a basic human right too to procreate and an establishment that likes to promote it.

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The homophobic motive is relevant because the murderer was in a gang which is notorious for killing members they find out are gay. Plus he had voiced contempt for the child based on sexuality.

This is a classic example of where extra hate crime penalties are legitimate when critics say it is unnecessary. It's very obvious the murderer targeted this boy because he may have been lively and perhaps effeminate, and certainly because he said he "liked boys".

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Yet even if the kid wasn't gay, it may not have altered his fate with these monsters. If it was because of a hate crime, the dude was hating regardless of the reason. He just happened to survive his own hateful childhood, which turned him into a devil.

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Do you believe there are crimes where extra "hate crime" penalties are relevant?

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I don't really go for the "hate crime" sub-label. A violent horrendous crime is just that, what it is. A 10yr old kid was abused, tortured and murdered by a psycho here and nothing will change that aspect of this danger to children and society. The rest of it is all just conflated underpinnings.

What will these extra laws really achieve, stop hate?

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But look also at the case of little Gabriel which Nettie posted. There is a recurring theme of specific violence against children perceived to be homosexual.

The extra penalty sends a message that child abuse will be punished - but also that the child's perceived sexuality is not an excuse for any kind of punishment, be it mockery and a slap on the wrist, or be it torture and death.

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Yet its not going to stop it, message or not. The message only preaches to the converted. The unconverted don't give a rats. The law is irrelevant until its broken and then its irrelevant because it wasn't paid attention too. Its the action only that counts.

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I believe it's important the message is sent. Whether anybody heeds the message is on them. Society and law must do what's right even if gay haters don't.

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Yet what is the message? That the killer is hateful? That is already apparent.

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ToastedCheese said... Yet what is the message? That the killer is hateful? That is already apparent.
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If you don't believe in hate crime laws take it up with the legislature. There are hate crime laws and they increase criminal penalties if prejudice based on race, sexuality et al is a factor. In the case of these two murdered children, homophobia was a factor.

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Platonic_Caveman said... If you don't believe in hate crime laws take it up with the legislature. There are hate crime laws and they increase criminal penalties if prejudice based on race, sexuality et al is a factor. In the case of these two murdered children, homophobia was a factor.
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In the case of these two murdered children, homophobia was a factor.

Isn't that still under contention, as per the clip?

Any despicable violent crime like this one is committed out of hate and anger. The rest is all just an excuse to justify what the justice dept does in order to appease the public and even using it as a false sense of protection from this criminal element in society.

The people are protected by him being incarcerated, not for whatever ideal of hate that led to his actions. It doesn't change the fact that he killed a kid. It doesn't matter if the child was gay or straight or trans.

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In the case of these two murdered children, homophobia was a factor.

Isn't that still under contention, as per the clip?

Any despicable violent crime like this one is committed out of hate and anger. The rest is all just an excuse to justify what the justice dept does in order to appease the public and even using it as a false sense of protection from this criminal element in society.

The people are protected by him being incarcerated, not for whatever ideal of hate that led to his actions. It doesn't change the fact that he killed a kid. It doesn't matter if the child was gay or straight or trans.
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I'm not in a court of law trying to make a legal case for a hate crime.

It's very obvious from the cases of the two boys that homophobia played a huge part in their abuse and murder.

What I'm trying to explain to you and others who don't believe additional penalties for crimes based on racism or homophobia are justifiable, that the death of these two boys makes it very clear that additional penalties are warranted.

For example: If a murder is premeditated rather than committed suddenly in a fit of rage, additional penalties are added. So it's not only the murder itself which is taken into consideration, but also mitigating factors.

The U.S., Australia, Britain - all the major Western nations - recognize hate crimes and add penalties. This is not unusual. If you read the stories it's very clear that Anthony was abused because this homophobic beast believed he was gay.

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Platonic_Caveman said... I'm not in a court of law trying to make a legal case for a hate crime.

It's very obvious from the cases of the two boys that homophobia played a huge part in their abuse and murder.

What I'm trying to explain to you and others who don't believe additional penalties for crimes based on racism or homophobia are justifiable, that the death of these two boys makes it very clear that additional penalties are warranted.

For example: If a murder is premeditated rather than committed suddenly in a fit of rage, additional penalties are added. So it's not only the murder itself which is taken into consideration, but also mitigating factors.

The U.S., Australia, Britain - all the major Western nations - recognize hate crimes and add penalties. This is not unusual. If you read the stories it's very clear that Anthony was abused because this homophobic beast believed he was gay.
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If a murder is premeditated rather than committed suddenly in a fit of rage, additional penalties are added. So it's not only the murder itself which is taken into consideration, but also mitigating factors.

Yes, that makes sense and I am aware of that aspect. The additional charges though are like I have already mentioned, more subjective aspects behind the objective action of the crime. It is for legal hype only. Even if legalities make this a common practice, I say it is just conflating.

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If a murder is premeditated rather than committed suddenly in a fit of rage, additional penalties are added. So it's not only the murder itself which is taken into consideration, but also mitigating factors.

Yes, that makes sense and I am aware of that aspect. The additional charges though are like I have already mentioned, more subjective aspects behind the objective action of the crime. It is for legal hype only. Even if legalities make this a common practice, I say it is just conflating.
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Is it subjective if we say a murder is worse because it was planned and premeditated, rather than done in a fit of rage?

It makes perfect sense to factor in motive when sentencing punishment for a crime.

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Platonic_Caveman said... Is it subjective if we say a murder is worse because it was planned and premeditated, rather than done in a fit of rage?

It makes perfect sense to factor in motive when sentencing punishment for a crime.
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I'd say the motive should be an aspect of determining guilt or not. The murder/killing is just that though, a murder/killing. Even these terms can be semantics.

I'd say this kid was killed over a fit of rage.

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ToastedCheese said... I'd say the motive should be an aspect of determining guilt or not. The murder/killing is just that though, a murder/killing. Even these terms can be semantics.

I'd say this kid was killed over a fit of rage.
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So you're saying a murder committed in a second of rage or by a drunk driver is as heinous as a murder which is planned for months advance? That's ridiculous. Premeditated murder is more a danger to society than a rage murder.

No, this kid was beaten and tortured for years because the homophobic man thought he was gay. Don't be STOOOPID, Toasty. That makes the murderer more dangerous than some idiot who hauls off and hits and kills a kid because he gets mad over spilt milk.

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Platonic_Caveman said... So you're saying a murder committed in a second of rage or by a drunk driver is as heinous as a murder which is planned for months advance? That's ridiculous. Premeditated murder is more a danger to society than a rage murder.

No, this kid was beaten and tortured for years because the homophobic man thought he was gay. Don't be STOOOPID, Toasty. That makes the murderer more dangerous than some idiot who hauls off and hits and kills a kid because he gets mad over spilt milk.
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So you're saying a murder committed in a second of rage or by a drunk driver is as heinous as a murder which is planned for months advance?
Where did I say this was more or less dangerous? The dynamic is different, but is any subtext really relevant to the outcome? A person is dead. One was committed out of pure rage, the other was committed out of pure stupidity. It is the anger that needs addressing and this has nothing to do with homophobia.

A killer like this would act out of impulse in the moment, spurred on by anger. Even if it was born of homophobic frustration, where does that stem from? The homophobia could be about the perps own suppressed feelings. It is first and foremost born out of anger/rage which is then transformed into hostility. It would be highly likely, that if you delved into the murderers past, it would have been rife with abuse also. He was also an unwilling victim too in a sense, which in the making, formed him into a sick killer.

The law DOES NOT work in this respect, as it doesn't prevent these behaviors from happening, regardless of what it gets labelled and tagged as. Only condemns and punishes to cover for its own shortcomings and sense of phony righteousness. It is a quick fix only and so society still festers.

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So you're saying a murder committed in a second of rage or by a drunk driver is as heinous as a murder which is planned for months advance?
Where did I say this was more or less dangerous? The dynamic is different, but is any subtext really relevant to the outcome? A person is dead. One was committed out of pure rage, the other was committed out of pure stupidity. It is the anger that needs addressing and this has nothing to do with homophobia.

A killer like this would act out of impulse in the moment, spurred on by anger. Even if it was born of homophobic frustration, where does that stem from? The homophobia could be about the perps own suppressed feelings. It is first and foremost born out of anger/rage which is then transformed into hostility. It would be highly likely, that if you delved into the murderers past, it would have been rife with abuse also. He was also an unwilling victim too in a sense, which in the making, formed him into a sick killer.

The law DOES NOT work in this respect, as it doesn't prevent these behaviors from happening, regardless of what it gets labelled and tagged as. Only condemns and punishes to cover for its own shortcomings and sense of phony righteousness. It is a quick fix only and so society still festers.
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If you believe a motive like homophobia or racism does not make a crime more heinous, you are in essence saying that motive is irrelevant. Therefore as I pointed out, you are also saying a premeditated motive is no worse than a murder committed on the spur of a moment.

Criminal law, in its wisdom, treats premeditation as evidence of a more extreme danger on the part of the murderer. I believe a calculated murder deserves death or life imprisonment. We don't want such calculating murderers on the street again ever! They are a danger to society.

But a man who kills someone in a fit of a rage or in a drunk driving accident? They might be rehabilitated and some day be allowed back in society.

A man who kills people because he thinks they are gay is more dangerous in society than a man who gets drunk and angry and kills his wife.

There's nothing "self righteous" about practical application of law to protect society from murderers who plan their crime and have a pattern of criminal behavior. Yes, they are a bigger danger to society than some guy who goes into a rage and then hits a guy in a bar and kills him.

This stuff is not rocket science. <<< [gay eyes]

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Platonic_Caveman said... If you believe a motive like homophobia or racism does not make a crime more heinous, you are in essence saying that motive is irrelevant. Therefore as I pointed out, you are also saying a premeditated motive is no worse than a murder committed on the spur of a moment.

Criminal law, in its wisdom, treats premeditation as evidence of a more extreme danger on the part of the murderer. I believe a calculated murder deserves death or life imprisonment. We don't want such calculating murderers on the street again ever! They are a danger to society.

But a man who kills someone in a fit of a rage or in a drunk driving accident? They might be rehabilitated and some day be allowed back in society.

A man who kills people because he thinks they are gay is more dangerous in society than a man who gets drunk and angry and kills his wife.

There's nothing "self righteous" about practical application of law to protect society from murderers who plan their crime and have a pattern of criminal behavior. Yes, they are a bigger danger to society than some guy who goes into a rage and then hits a guy in a bar and kills him.

This stuff is not rocket science. <<< [gay eyes]
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Criminal law, in its wisdom, treats premeditation as evidence of a more extreme danger on the part of the murderer.

There's nothing "self righteous" about practical application of law to protect society from murderers who plan their crime and have a pattern of criminal behaviour.

This still doesn't change the action as it stands without attempts to rationalize it, when it was only born out of anger and rage to begin with. This wasn't a planned killing of the kid, it would have happened out of the moment, regardless of any idealistic notions the killer may have about anything beforehand. That is abstract and incidental.

The so-called practicality of administering law isn't wisdom, it is academic pomp attempting to bolster itself as intellectual with superior knowledge and influential standing. Its a forced and distorted philosophy only. It doesn't even prevent this type of behaviour in society, regardless of how it gets broken down tagged and labelled.

I believe a calculated murder deserves death or life imprisonment.


I myself don't believe any institution that punishes for crimes and then uses the same tactics it is in contempt of, (like the death penalty), is EVER going to make any headway or logic behind the image of what it pretends to represent.

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The mother has been found guilty too.

What is the criminal prison code amongst females for kiddy crimes in a women's prison?

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Damn, I would imagine it's just as bad or worse than among males. I mean there's that female "mother" instinct.

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Its just something that one doesn't tend to hear about or be promoted much. It is usually from the male perspective that gets promoted.

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I can only speak to male prisons.

The child abusers are put in PC (Protective Custody). That's where they put ex-cops, snitches, the mentally ill and yes, the homosexuals who are so effeminate they'll be raped.

But most the gay men prefer to be in the general population. That's what I opted for.

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What are the mentally ill doing in prison if not well in the head? Shouldn't they be in forensic psychiatric hospitals?

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Mental illness is not an excuse to commit a crime. You've heard of not guilty by reason of insanity applied to murder. But if some guy steals something and is mentally ill, he goes to jail or prison. He doesn't get a free pass to go to a hospital. But he's housed in Protective Custody.

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They could become more of a risk for other inmates if not mentally stable.

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Yeah, that's why they have Protective Custody.

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Protecting them from other inmates? How will other inmates be protected from them if mingling?

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Crazy mofos are called dings in prison. You forget that the prison is run by some very crude smart tough criminal gangs. The dings are preyed upon. Their money and food is stolen. They're raped.

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And the vicious circle of crime is perpetuated. Nice rehabilitative places these establishment prisons.

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ToastedCheese said... And the vicious circle of crime is perpetuated. Nice rehabilitative places these establishment prisons.
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However, they do try to protect the dings from predators by offering them Protective Custody.

Of course I was in prison in progressive enlightened California.

I shudder to think what happens to crazy people and effeminate gays in backwards states like Mississippi or Arkansas.

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Platonic_Caveman said... However, they do try to protect the dings from predators by offering them Protective Custody.

Of course I was in prison in progressive enlightened California.

I shudder to think what happens to crazy people and effeminate gays in backwards states like Mississippi or Arkansas.
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Korey Wise asked for solitary during his time in prison for protection

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Platonic_Caveman said... However, they do try to protect the dings from predators by offering them Protective Custody.

Of course I was in prison in progressive enlightened California.

I shudder to think what happens to crazy people and effeminate gays in backwards states like Mississippi or Arkansas.
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It is criminal in itself, especially for non-violent offenders who can all get mingled in with each other.

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This is his father. The scum who killed him wasn't his father



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That's right. The murderer was the step father or something. I feel for the real father. But there were signs of abuse for years. Why didn't he or the other family members do something?

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he probably did, but if the father himself is not a 100 percent proven law abiding citizen who pays his taxs on time then the courts normally side wit the mother

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True. Mothers almost always get custody.

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He was in Mexico and hadn't seen Anthony for years

I saw a video of Heather where she answered the door and was being questioned about abuse accusations. She made faces like the accusations were a big shock to her

DCFS failed Anthony and Gabriel. They were called many times about Gabriel being abused and left him in the home

Gabriel went to school looking like this and no one had the compassion to take him to the hospital



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Yeah, this story wrenches at my gut. Unbelievable the little guy mustered the courage to tell his mother "I like boys" and he gets tortured for it.

There's something seriously wrong with the school too that they did nothing.

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I know. Everyone failed those sweet boys

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I saw the Avalos story on the local news because it was in LA County.

It looks like the Gabriel Hernandez story involves homophobia too. He was removed from his gay uncle's custody and put in with those heterosexual beasts who murdered him.

What The Trials of Gabriel Fernandez tells us about homophobia

https://www.themarysue.com/homophobia-is-at-the-sick-root-of-the-trials-of-gabriel-fernandez/


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