Captain America: The Winter Soldier : It's clear Captain America holds the title of BEST TRILOGY ever made

It's clear Captain America holds the title of BEST TRILOGY ever made

As little as five years ago, who would have ever put money on this fact? With Civil War now an official instant classic the trilogy is complete.

Those of us that knew the character knew of the depth and complexity present in his mythos but even fans had to wonder if any studio could ever do the character justice. Well, the best case scenario has occurred. Everything fell together perfectly in terms of talent.

Joe Johnston was the perfect first director to helm the origin story given his Rocketeer and Raiders of the Lost Ark resume. Add that the cast came together as if it were fate. Actors like John Krasinski fell by the waste side as Chris Evans put aside his fears and Marvel looked past his Human Torch days and spotted the absolutely perfect embodiment of Steve Rogers. Add really unknown talents like Haley Atwell and Sebastian Stan and casting was beyond a home run. Veterans like Tommy Lee Jones, Toby Jones and Stanley Tucci were wonderful and smartly injected in to the story.

Then, Marvel intelligently shifted gears and tapped two unknown TV guys to direct Winter Soldier. Everyone at the time was puzzled that the guys from Community and Arrested Development would be handed Captain America after The Avengers movie. Marvel was mocked by the competition for the move. Man, talk about finding talent. The Russos may be the best young directors to break in to Hollywood since young Spielberg unveiled his Jawsmania.

By using the same talent but adding to it with Civil War, Marvel has given the Russos the keys to everything and the budget and talent to back their vision. What results is Civil War and what most people are calling the greatest superhero film ever made. It all built to this with every film getting even better from a very high starting point with First Avenger.

Those correctly labeling this the best trilogy of all-time certainly have been paying attention and they are 100% correct.

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I agree that the Captain America trilogy is one if the best CBM trilogies out there.

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I did not like the first one and this last one was not really a Captain America movie, more like another avengers, loved the winter soldier though.

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The reviews say otherwise. Especially compared "objectively" to the greatest CBM trilogy "TDKT".

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TDK trilogy is WAY overrated due to Ledger's unfortunate death and Nolanites blind devotion to their god. TDKR was especially bad, filled with plot holes, mistakes, bad film making and flat out stupidity.

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Yeah, keep sucking Marvel's overrated dick

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Especially compared "objectively" to the greatest CBM trilogy "TDKT"


Well, I enjoyed Christopher Nolan's trilogy, but it did get a little silly with the third entry. Regardless, it was still a strong trilogy. BUT, those Batman films just aren't something I really care to watch again. They were great but once I have seen them, I am done. That's not a criticism, but simply how I feel about them. Captain America is not as deep I suppose, but then again the friendship that Cap has with Bucky is really a core element that I very much enjoy and that drives this trilogy. I just don't really get that with The Dark Knight Trilogy. Oh well, just my two cents.

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the friendship that Cap has with Bucky is really a core element that I very much enjoy and that drives this trilogy.


It drives the last two of the trilogy, but certainly not the First Avenger.

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No, Bucky certainly didn't come to Steve's aid. He certainly didn't try to get him with a an attractive woman. He certainly didn't try to keep him safe and out of jail.

His friendship certainly wasn't the reason why Steve went into combat. His friendship wasn't enough for Steve to be devastated.

It is bad enough that you are so wrong with The Dull Knight trilogy. Why not stay there instead of going to good movie's boards and being idiomatically wrong?

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No, Bucky certainly didn't come to Steve's aid. He certainly didn't try to get him with a an attractive woman. He certainly didn't try to keep him safe and out of jail.

His friendship certainly wasn't the reason why Steve went into combat. His friendship wasn't enough for Steve to be devastated.


Steve and Buckeys freindship is still not as big a part of the First Avenger as the last two would have you believe so I'm well within my right to say the "Steve/Bucky" friendship was not at the core of the trilogy in its entirety


It is bad enough that you are so wrong with The Dull Knight trilogy


How am I wrong, here? Because you say so?

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Steve and Buckeys freindship is still not as big a part of the First Avenger as the last two would have you believe


Yes it is, and you are too Nolantarded to understand it.


How am I wrong, here?


I spelled it out perfectly for you. Typing it again won't help it sink through that Nolantard skull of yours. I'd almost have more of a chance of having Hippotard like a Kevin Costner movie.

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and you are too Nolantarded to understand it.



Acting like a petulant child doesn't negate my point. Bucky does not get enough screentime or focus in the First Avenger.


I spelled it out perfectly for you.


Not really, You just whined and called me names.

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Bucky does not get enough screentime or focus in the First Avenger.

Actually, yes he does. You should watch it again.







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Actually, yes he does. You should watch it again.



No he does not.

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Yes, he does. You must have missed that.






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You must have missed that


I didn't miss anything. Winter Soldier pretends that the Cap/Bucky friendship was a bigger part of the first movie than it was.

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Well, it was a pretty big part of the first movie, I'm not sure how much bigger you would have liked it to be.







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Well, if Nolan directed the movie then it would be the biggest part - without changing a thing.

The movie would also be boring.

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an absurd point even if you'd demonstrated it to anyone's satisfaction but your own.

it's only very recently that sequels have had any hope of being interconnected in some way. this was for a historically straightforward and practical reason: the unpredictable nature of hollywood. there's no guarantee (and still isn't to a large degree for the vast majority of films) that you'll get a sequel. hence most movies had to be written to stand alone with the full knowledge that if you left too many plot danglers, you would never have a chance to resolve them. so up until very recently, most sequels just follow the previous movie sequentially, without relying on previous elements. but this doesn't disqualify them from being a trilogy. there's no hint AT ALL that darth vader was luke's father in a ep IV, and it's well known that mark and carrie had no idea until RotJ that they would end up brother and sister. if you read the original novel for star wars, there's no hint at all that there's something mystical about palpitine.

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What was that you said about being a petulant child, you hypocritical Nolantard?

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What was that you said about being a petulant child, you hypocritical Nolantard?


All he said was the truth, dummy. Also, about the hypocrisy: weren't you saying that you never insult people because of their opinion? So why do you always name-call Spencer while he never attacks you, despite having all reasons to do so? Gosh, MCUbots are such a horrible creatures. Not only their taste is mediocre, but they are also nefarious people.

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First Avenger: 4/10
Winter Soldier: 7/10
Civil War: 6/10

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First Avenger: 8/10
Winter Soldier: 9/10
Civil War: 9/10

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Agreed OP, best comic book film trilogy ever made.

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I agree for now but next time i rewatch TDKT my opinion will likely be switched back

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Yes, Cap is the trilogy champion no doubt. Those mentioning Batman might as well bring up Transformers while they are at it. Ridiculous.

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I agree that the Captain America trilogy has been awesome. One of the best trilogies out there. It is no secret that, for some odd reason, trilogies always stumble with their third entry, so it was nice to see a third entry be every bit as good as the previous two for a change. I was a little late to the Captain America films as I haven't really been watching any of the marvel films until recently, but I am super-glad I got on board with Cap. It's been great!

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i would agree with best superhero trilogy.

imo

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at least for superhero films, this proposition isn't so hard to defend.

first, one should put out there that the title of "best superhero" anything is very transient.

while nolan's films might be very good crime thriller movies, with the possible exception of batman begins, they're not very good superhero movies, and in many ways, they're terrible batman movies.

first of all, whether people like it or not, action plays a substantial role in these movies. anyone who's honest has to admit that at least part of the reason why comic fans (very important, not mcu fans) gravitated towards the cap movies, is the actionin TWS, cap moves the way that they always pictured batman would. watching the nolan films now is like watching captain kirk fight the gorn. furthermore, anyone who is honest has to admit that at least part of the reason why some fans declared affleck the definitive batman is because it's the first time on film that batman can actually fight. now that's a shame, considering it's the ninth feature film with batman.

the nolan films don't honor the batman character at all. there's no element of the detective, the thinker, the strategist. he can't out-think joker; he literally has to use a deus ex machina to win in TDKR (as in, lucius literally complains that the machine gives bruce too much power). it never once occurs to him that joker was lying about rachel's location. and what was his plan to stop the bombs on the ferries? he knew all along that the citizens of gotham were too kind hearted to blow each other up. and he always took miranda at her faceit never occurred to him that she was the one pulling the strings. and batman quitstwicein three movies! without these thingsthe detective, the strategist, the thinker, the indomitable willthere's no reason for the justice league to follow him.

no matter what else can be said of them, the cap movies have honored the character. he NEVER gives up. in civil war, he takes all comers and kicks their assestony, rhodey, panther, and spidey.

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they're terrible batman movies.



They're well-done movies featuring the character of Batman, ergo good Batman movies.


the nolan films don't honor the batman character at all.


Translation: They didn't adapt him exactly as he was in The Animated Series/Arkham Games.


there's no element of the detective, the thinker, the strategist.


Batman is not Sherlock Homes or Dick Tracy, His title be it comic or movie is an action-based one. Any detective work he does is to service the action. Bale's Batman did plenty of detective work throughout the trilogy.


miranda at her faceit never occurred to him that she was the one pulling the strings


I wasn't aware being Batman meant he could read minds.


batman quitstwice


Batman's quit multiple times in the comic books, and he didn't "quit" at the end of Rises, He retired to live his life.


affleck the definitive batman is because it's the first time on film that batman can actually fight.


Doesn't matter that he's an easily-manipulated, murderous sociopath as long as he fights like in the "Arkham Games", Right? God, this perspective is shallow, not to mention stupid.

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They're well-done movies featuring the character of Batman, ergo good Batman movies.


Ahh, Nolantard logic. They will grasp at straws so much that they'll claim the movie Gotham was a great Batman movie because it mentioned the word "Gotham" and had Tommy Lee Jones in it who was once in a Batman movie.


Translation: They didn't adapt him exactly as he was in The Animated Series/Arkham Games.


Or like the vast majority of his comic book history


Batman is not Sherlock Homes or Dick Tracy, His title be it comic or movie is an action-based one. Any detective work he does is to service the action. Bale's Batman did plenty of detective work throughout the trilogy.


And yet if Nolanmoron had said that he wasn't just "the dark knight" but was also "The World's Greatest Detective" like he is so often referred to, you'd be screaming that he's better than Sherlock or Dick Tracy.


I wasn't aware being Batman meant he could read minds.


Or was capable of logical, intelligent thought. Seriously. He shoots four bricks with a random caliber bullet to find out how to put together the bullet in the brick he's holding????


Batman's quit multiple times in the comic books, and he didn't "quit" at the end of Rises, He retired to live his life.


Thus leaving Gotham to sink back into its misery and/or have Blake die if he tries to take over.


God, this perspective is shallow, not to mention stupid.


Says the Nolantard who finds all criticism of his god's movies to be nitpicking.

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Ahh, Nolantard logic.


Actual logic.


Or like the vast majority of his comic book history



I'm not sure you know much of Batman"s comic book history.


Or was capable of logical, intelligent thought.



And yet he clearly was, throughout the trilogy.


Thus leaving Gotham to sink back into its misery and/or have Blake die if he tries to take over.



Good thing neither of those things are implied in any way by the end of TDKR.


criticism of his god's movies to be nitpicking


Well stop nitpicking than.

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I'm not sure you know much of Batman"s comic book history.


What is funny, this doofus always pokes fun at DC fanboys and calls them "DCtards", yet, he considers himself to be a die-hard fan of Batman comics. (Where is logic in that?)

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Doesn't matter that he's an easily-manipulated, murderous sociopath as long as he fights like in the "Arkham Games", Right? God, this perspective is shallow, not to mention stupid.


You hit the nail on the head on that one. It seems for many people, being accurate to the source material really only means the visual aesthetic. It doesn't matter if this Batman is a murderer, is even less of a detective, and is easily manipulated. All that matters is that he is 6'2", has a good costume, and fights like he does in the games.

I liked Affleck's performance, but I disagree with those who are already hailing him as the definitive Batman.

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Translation: They didn't adapt him exactly as he was in The Animated Series/Arkham Games.


haven't played the arkham games, wouldn't know.




Batman is not Sherlock Homes or Dick Tracy, His title be it comic or movie is an action-based one. Any detective work he does is to service the action. Bale's Batman did plenty of detective work throughout the trilogy.


other than the forensics work on the bullet, when else?

if you don't think that kids in the 80s bought chemistry kits and "pretended" to be batman solving crimes, then you don't think kids in the 80s bought chemistry kits and "pretended" to be batman.



I wasn't aware being Batman meant he could read minds.


if you're the kind of person that takes what this heath ledger's joker says at face value, you're the kind of person that takes what this dude says at face value. i dunno, me, i think there's something a little shifty in his eyes.



Batman's quit multiple times in the comic books, and he didn't "quit" at the end of Rises, He retired to live his life.


semantics.



Doesn't matter that he's an easily-manipulated, murderous sociopath as long as he fights like in the "Arkham Games", Right? God, this perspective is shallow, not to mention stupid.


not my problem. i agree that he is batman in name only for the reasons you outline. i can even do that better than you; it's a peculiar statement to make because it's affleck's stuntman running around the warehouse. but nobody says his stuntman is the definitive batman. but according to some people, it's a movie about batman v superman, hence he's batman and a candidate for definitive batman. again, not my problem.

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semantics


Semantics? I am always up for semantics. :)

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The Christopher Nolan movies dont count as a superhero trilogy, Batman is barely in the 3rd entry and only Batman Begins has any semblance of the character. Everything else is different. The dark knight rises is an awful film in general. All 3 films had awfully shot action and fight scenes and those are pretty much prerequisites for good superhero films. Just because batman was in the films doesnt make them batman or superhero films. By that notion, any film which features a character get stabbed would be considered a slasher film.

Captain America is probably the best trilogy of a superhero out there but Im sure it can and will be beaten some day. The first entry was rather pedestrian. It was a good film but nothing groundbreaking. Basically it did what fans hoped the 1990 disaster would have done; set most of the film in WW2 before unearthing cap in the present.

The second film kicks things up into high gear though, it does what Christopher Nolan attempted to do but better; keeps itself seriously but still keeps the pace rolling. The Bucky element as well as fall out from the first film is the true heart of the film.

The third film is easily the best- it becomes a political action drama and raises many good points without having an obvious agenda. You really feel for characters on both sides, particularily Rogers, Romanov, and Stark. The death of Peggy carter was a strong emotional point.

One drawback is its tough to consider it a trilogy since it is part of a shared universe. Its connected too heavily to the MCU and it would confuse a viewer not familiar with the MCU. The sequels involve characters introduced in the MCU and cap himself has an adventure of his own between each of his films. I actually would have preferred if Winter soldier came during phase one instead of iron man 2. Yeah the demise of SHIELD would have to be rewritten but we did miss seeing Rogers get acclimated to the new world, we do see a little bit of it during the Avengers but were led to believe he simply adjusts on his own without seeing it.

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They feature a superhero, they're a trilogy, therefore superhero trilogy.

I guess you can't consider the Burton Batman movies "great" either considering the quality of their fight scenes.

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at least for superhero films, this proposition isn't so hard to defend.


Within MCU's catalog of films? Yeah, sure, since their first completed trilogy, Iron Man, was downright awful. Good start, but terrible end results. Captain America doesn't have "great" trilogy. The First Avenger is mediocre at best, Civil War isn't even about him. Let's not even talk about Thor, since even if Ragnarok isn't utter crap like previous two, it won't make his trilogy better.

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The Captain America movies aren't really a "trilogy" since they don't really lead into each other so therefore, they can't hold the title of "best trilogy" comic book or otherwise.

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True. I mean, it's not like Bucky was the linchpin for all of the movies.

Of course, that means The Dull Knight was even worse since Rachel isn't in the 3rd one.

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they're three well done movies featuring captain america, hence they're a captain america trilogy.

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One thing i really liked about it was that they didn't just pull another generic baddie out of his rogues gallery. That was a problem with TASM2. Instead, they crafted a completely different story that was as differnet in appearnace as it was in tone. Not an easy feat to do.

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they're three well done movies featuring captain america, hence they're a captain america trilogy.


So you have problems with The Dark Knight trilogy, you don't consider it to be respectful towards history of Batman, but you think that MCU's Captain America got better treatment? Tell my why Captain America was no one's favorite Avenger until Winter Soldier didn't happen? It's because The First Avenger and The Avengers wasted his character. The First Avenger is one of the most mediocre superhero origin stories ever put on screen, and it has nothing on Batman Begins. Bruce Wayne in Nolan's movies is a multi-layered, well-thought-out character with emotional depth. Captain America before the Winter Soldier was a one-note cardboard figure. His character in The Avenger is a mockery of what Captain America should be. Civil War wasn't even about him.

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It's an easy call. Cap is by far the best.

Have to say it goes

1) Cap trilogy
2) Iron Man trilogy
3) Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy.

Agree that the Batman attempts would not medal if this was the Olympics of CBM trilogies.

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^THAT^ is the honest to true God truth right there.










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1) Cap trilogy
2) Iron Man trilogy
3) Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy.


Great trilogy of films implies that the trilogy contains of three consistently good films. Iron Man has only one good film.

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Those correctly labeling this the best trilogy of all-time certainly have been paying attention and they are 100% correct.


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That assumes they're just polling devotees of the MCU universe! DC has their faves as well even though of the Batman 3'fer, I only cared for "Begins!"

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Glad the majority agrees.

The best ever.
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