Sneaky Pete : So disappointing
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Ya, it's falling apart for me now, too - like all amazon dramas. They are so damn uneven in terms of writing, acting, casting. They float somewhere between HBO and NBC all episode long. You will have these dizzying highs, followed by these cringe-inducing lows. It makes it so hard to care about any of these people.
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They float somewhere between HBO and NBC all episode long. You will have these dizzying highs, followed by these cringe-inducing lows. It makes it so hard to care about any of these people.
Perfect description of this show. I did however think the acting and casting was pretty good. The script was just boring and disjointed. The pacing was terrible. The characters had uneven development, if any at all, which probably explains why I couldn't make myself care about them despite the great casting. But yes, uneven is a perfect word for this mediocre, at best, show.
Sidenote: my friend that watched this right before me couldn't even recall things or people I was mentioning to her because the show and its characters were just that forgettable.
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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Disjointed? Clearly, you're just too dumb to connect the dots.
Again, go back to your daytime soaps. Maybe you can connect the dots there!
Again, go back to your daytime soaps. Maybe you can connect the dots there!
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Very good description of the way Amazon doesn't get their shows up to Netflix's or AMC's standards. It's so puzzling to me, after all they hire good people.
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Very good description of the way Amazon doesn't get their shows up to Netflix's or AMC's standards.
Or even FX's.
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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Or even FX's.
Speaking of FX, Tabooholy crap. This is a bar-setting show. Even by HBO standards.
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Yeah, but I'm gonna give that credit to BBC. Not that FX is terrible. It's still better than USA.
Also, good luck with the impending death everyone!
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
Also, good luck with the impending death everyone!
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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Harry invested millions of his own money in Taboo. I'm absolutely loving it, but heard scuttlebutt it's not doing well, ratings wise.
Sure, keep the Krapdashians on, but maybe not Taboo? Ridiculous.
Sure, keep the Krapdashians on, but maybe not Taboo? Ridiculous.
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I guess it depends on the type and style of show you prefer. I personally found it quite enjoyable and entertaining. It had it boring moments, true, but overall it's a winner in my books.
Really looking forward to season 2.
Really looking forward to season 2.
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My god, you don't know SQAUD about the quality of this show. Go back to watching your daytime soaps.
"Dull" and "lifeless"? Clearly you're either a troll or a person with no understanding of what makes a plot great. And the plot of Sneaky Pete is GREAT!
"Dull" and "lifeless"? Clearly you're either a troll or a person with no understanding of what makes a plot great. And the plot of Sneaky Pete is GREAT!
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lol, with that laughably generic butthurt retort, I am not remotely surprised you liked this turd.
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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I guess it's all extremely relative since I found this dull, lifeless and unnecesseraly complicated, and yet, my favorite US TV shows still are OZ, Homicide, The Wire, Treme, The Knick, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Profit, a few others, and I've never been able to watch a daytime soap. So your generalization is either misguided or maybe you just were too generous with this show.
I can enjoy some mindless mainstream TV such as Person of Interest on occasion, but I don't fool myself in believeing that all I enjoy is GREAT!
I can enjoy some mindless mainstream TV such as Person of Interest on occasion, but I don't fool myself in believeing that all I enjoy is GREAT!
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High five on Treme! Very underrated.
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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I would like to know more about what you didn't like about it. Like specifics.
You mention "dull" and "lifeless", but I thought there were very high stakes, lots of tension, and all the characters had unique struggles.
Also, I'm not sure how many episodes you watched, but only the first episode was David Shore, ep's 2 thru 10 were Graham Yost as showrunner. If you didn't get past ep 1, and esp if you loved the show Justified, it's worth watching 2 through 10.
Actually as much as you love Cranston, the only dull and lifeless parts as you describe them for me were his long "Oscar-clip" soliloquies.
You mention "dull" and "lifeless", but I thought there were very high stakes, lots of tension, and all the characters had unique struggles.
Also, I'm not sure how many episodes you watched, but only the first episode was David Shore, ep's 2 thru 10 were Graham Yost as showrunner. If you didn't get past ep 1, and esp if you loved the show Justified, it's worth watching 2 through 10.
Actually as much as you love Cranston, the only dull and lifeless parts as you describe them for me were his long "Oscar-clip" soliloquies.
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but I thought there were very high stakes, lots of tension, and all the characters had unique struggles.
Did you care about those stakes? Did you actually feel the tension? Did you care about the characters enough to care about those struggles? I didn't. I've been more invested in characters in a 30 second commercial. These characters were shells. The "tension" was yawn inducing.
I watched the whole season. I was hoping my investment would eventually payoff but nah, it didn't. And Cranston was terrible; it truly breaks my heart to say that. I can't even imagine how much of their budget went to scenery with all his chewing.
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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And Cranston was terrible; it truly breaks my heart to say that
Ya - I couldn't even bring myself to mention it it was so painful. But, God, he is so third-rate in this show. I mean really REALLY bad. He is definitely not the actor I thought he was. Giovanni, on the other hand, takes this bad writing and somehow elevates it much higher than it should be. But Cranston just goes down with the ship.
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He is definitely not the actor I thought he was.
Don't lose heart. It was just a terrible script and it seems he wanted to play a two dimensional villain. His character was something out of a CW superhero show. I'm going to forget this role ever existed and wash the bad taste out with some Breaking Bad. Or that ep of the X-Files he rocked.
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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I know this is going to be an unpopular opinionbut I don't think Cranston is that good, to be honest. He's good for a TV actor, but imho he never stepped up from being a TV actor, shaped by working on Malcom in the Middle, and not by working with Scorcese all his life, like DeNiro for example.
Breaking Bad is still my favourite show ever, but not because of Walter White. I never bought the "Walter White is now an evil drug lord" thing, because Cranston didn't really pull of the "normal guy turned into a bad guy" as an actor. Sure, the script made him do bad things, but Cranston played this guy with a constant smirk, as if to say "hey, look how 'bad' I can be!" - I expected him to wink at the audience most of the time. I guess people went nuts over the line "I am the one who knocks", but at that point in the show when he said it, I thought it was laughable.
Breaking Bad is still my favourite show ever, but not because of Walter White. I never bought the "Walter White is now an evil drug lord" thing, because Cranston didn't really pull of the "normal guy turned into a bad guy" as an actor. Sure, the script made him do bad things, but Cranston played this guy with a constant smirk, as if to say "hey, look how 'bad' I can be!" - I expected him to wink at the audience most of the time. I guess people went nuts over the line "I am the one who knocks", but at that point in the show when he said it, I thought it was laughable.
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because Cranston didn't really pull of the "normal guy turned into a bad guy
I personally don't think he was ever intended to. The point imo was that he was normal guy, albeit with personality flaws, that was given this "freedom" to play naughty, but at the end of the day he was still an emasculated nerd. The silly "badass" lines were peacocking and as much to build himself up as to intimidate his opponents. I never bought him as a badass and I don't believe he was supposed to be. That pathetic dying old man in that cabin paying someone to spend time with him was the WW I always saw. Brilliant, sure, but the furthermost thing from a "bad guy."
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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It could very well have been on purpose, and if so I take back my critic of his acting, he did a great job if that is the case. Yet, in the BB Podcast, Gilligan said as much - "we're seeing a normal guy turning into a bad guy and enjoying it". Anyway, it doesn't change how great the show was.
As for the general public's reception, I think the nuance you're talking about was mainly lost, because the opinions I heard were mostly "oh man, Walter White is soo evil now!", with the "I am the one who knocks" line being the stand-out line of the whole show. Also all the 'Heisenberg' merchandise etc. making him into some kind of badass drug lord with unlimited power.
Like you said he was always a nerd, after all.
As for the general public's reception, I think the nuance you're talking about was mainly lost, because the opinions I heard were mostly "oh man, Walter White is soo evil now!", with the "I am the one who knocks" line being the stand-out line of the whole show. Also all the 'Heisenberg' merchandise etc. making him into some kind of badass drug lord with unlimited power.
Like you said he was always a nerd, after all.
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Obviously, you're a complete moron.
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It was so derivative I felt like I was watching Rounders the tv show. That is, until it turned into Ocean's 11 with next to no notice. The end was a bunch of people we don't know $hit about standing around, drinking, and divvying up money we never once thought was the end game. They seriously could have been after some magical amulet Vince was hiding in his safe, and season 2 could go off on some weird and fantastical journey. That's how much commitment the show had to it's story. No wonder every major network passed on this. Seriously, if it wasn't money, it could have been anything, ANYTHING!
"With these documents Vince had in his safe, I can finally get custody of my kids!"
"Now that I finally have these parking tickets Vince was hiding, I can get my car out of impound!"
"Now that I got my giant jar of dog turds back from Vince, I can go back to eating dog turds! Yom yom yom, so yummy!"
"With these documents Vince had in his safe, I can finally get custody of my kids!"
"Now that I finally have these parking tickets Vince was hiding, I can get my car out of impound!"
"Now that I got my giant jar of dog turds back from Vince, I can go back to eating dog turds! Yom yom yom, so yummy!"
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"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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I see you rated "Forrest Gump" 9.
That certainly figures. A movie about the glorification of stupidity certainly sits well with a dumb person like yourself.
That certainly figures. A movie about the glorification of stupidity certainly sits well with a dumb person like yourself.
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Dude, stop flirting with me. I'm not going to ABC Family and chill with you.
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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For me, this show is a perfect example of more being less. It's like they tried to cram SO MUCH CRAP into each episode that it had the opposite effect where everything just meshed into one loud cacophony of noise. There's no subtlety. There's no build up of real tension. It's like trying to build sand castles too close to the water. By the time you start to build one the water comes and washes it away. To each his own, but manthis really is one disappointing show.
And in a sense, what I was feeling while watching was expressed by Marius himself at the beginning of episode 5 just KILL Vince already and dispense with all this other BS. Of course, there'd be no show. But that's the point when shows have logical gaps you can drive an 18 wheeler through, the air goes out like a week-old birthday balloon.
But
Things definitely picked up in the last couple of episodes and the season finale was the way finales should be done.
"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." Will Rogers
And in a sense, what I was feeling while watching was expressed by Marius himself at the beginning of episode 5 just KILL Vince already and dispense with all this other BS. Of course, there'd be no show. But that's the point when shows have logical gaps you can drive an 18 wheeler through, the air goes out like a week-old birthday balloon.
But
Things definitely picked up in the last couple of episodes and the season finale was the way finales should be done.
"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." Will Rogers
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Couldn't disagree more.
But most confusing part is why anyoneand I do mean, ANYONEwould sit through an entire season of something they didn't like.
Have you that much time on hands to just flitter away, such as it appears with that very decision (unsure if that makes me envy or pity you. No seriously, I turn OFF that which bores me right off, it's the sensible thing to do).
Sorta suspect it maybe wasn't ALL watched (as that does not make you look very bright) OR it WAS just to post about it negatively.
But hey, don't trust me, just look to THIS score or better, rotten tomatoes to see what the critics have to say. And God knows, they are paid to sit through ALL the shows so they have best measure of what is good.
Still, in the end, to each their own.
But again, too odd for words when you wrote later in thread you watched entire season. Yeah, I GET ITsuppose you HAD to write that to gain credibility (how can you fairly assess something you've not FULLY seen) but it also serves to bite you in the ass as normal persons TURN OFF what they don't find worthy of their time.
It's rated a VERY good series because, wellit just is one.
and of course there are going to be people arguing the merit of that but majority wins (at least here in the States, unfortunately sometimes) and that tells you otherwise, right?!!
Just sayin'!! Don't attack the messenger for truth here, as this poster won't much care.
But most confusing part is why anyoneand I do mean, ANYONEwould sit through an entire season of something they didn't like.
Have you that much time on hands to just flitter away, such as it appears with that very decision (unsure if that makes me envy or pity you. No seriously, I turn OFF that which bores me right off, it's the sensible thing to do).
Sorta suspect it maybe wasn't ALL watched (as that does not make you look very bright) OR it WAS just to post about it negatively.
But hey, don't trust me, just look to THIS score or better, rotten tomatoes to see what the critics have to say. And God knows, they are paid to sit through ALL the shows so they have best measure of what is good.
Still, in the end, to each their own.
But again, too odd for words when you wrote later in thread you watched entire season. Yeah, I GET ITsuppose you HAD to write that to gain credibility (how can you fairly assess something you've not FULLY seen) but it also serves to bite you in the ass as normal persons TURN OFF what they don't find worthy of their time.
It's rated a VERY good series because, wellit just is one.
and of course there are going to be people arguing the merit of that but majority wins (at least here in the States, unfortunately sometimes) and that tells you otherwise, right?!!
Just sayin'!! Don't attack the messenger for truth here, as this poster won't much care.
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Geeyou sure did use a lot of words to say not a whole lot.
"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." Will Rogers
"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." Will Rogers
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oh well. Hope that's short enough for you.
Is reading not your thing? Sorry.
but heydon't think it was assigned reading, now was it?
But if point was to be offensive, that's fine, mission accomplished. Except you can't harm me, I don't care what you think.
I will express myself any way I so choose. Isn't that such a shame that we've all such a right?
I'm guessing you weren't the most curious or vociferous reader in your class. I can only hope you weren't one of my students evernow that would be a blemishlol!!
Againoh well!
Fire ahead, your bullets can't pierce me (well they won't be read as NONE of this is mandatory reading).
Is reading not your thing? Sorry.
but heydon't think it was assigned reading, now was it?
But if point was to be offensive, that's fine, mission accomplished. Except you can't harm me, I don't care what you think.
I will express myself any way I so choose. Isn't that such a shame that we've all such a right?
I'm guessing you weren't the most curious or vociferous reader in your class. I can only hope you weren't one of my students evernow that would be a blemishlol!!
Againoh well!
Fire ahead, your bullets can't pierce me (well they won't be read as NONE of this is mandatory reading).
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Have you that much time on hands to just flitter away
I do. Jealous? You don't have >10 hours for entertainment? Aww, pity away, my friend.
I can assure you I watched the entire season. I'm not particularly worried about credibility on an anonymous message board. Interesting that seems important to you. The cast was fantastic. It had some of my favorite actors. I had been looking forward to it and had hopes it would pick up or come together. Unfortunately, it didn't. Binge watching a 10 episode season isn't much of a commitment, particularly when there isn't much of value to watch currently. You must have really, really loved this show to have set aside all those valuable minutes from your super busy schedule, and then to come here and deliver quite the verbose butthurt because someone didn't like a show you liked. lol, no need to attack you. You're trolling isn't that interesting. Did you write for Sneaky Pete?
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson
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yes I did matter of fact (write the narrative. Hey I WISH, My bank account would like that).
Buttcrack. SO funny!! Keep amusing me & I will keep laughing.
I shared my opinion. felt it's valid. Sorry you're so sensitive. Maybe work on thicker skin. At least I can laugh (at you, myself & anyone else). Doubt you can say the same.
Buttcrack. SO funny!! Keep amusing me & I will keep laughing.
I shared my opinion. felt it's valid. Sorry you're so sensitive. Maybe work on thicker skin. At least I can laugh (at you, myself & anyone else). Doubt you can say the same.
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I thought it was clever, creative and unique and there was plenty of tension. I would never describe it as dull and lifeless. But if you don't like it, don't watch.
So disappointing
"She hasn't even read the books" - Elliot_Alderson