Politics : So now its a fence and not a wall; Not going to overturn RVW….

What's up qdude,

Has the Wall (that the American tax payers will be fronting the money and paying for - even though Trump said Mexico would) been built yet?

Btw whats your opinion of your fellow CONS saying that even they don't want a trade war ("border adjustment tax") with Mexico:

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JohnCornyn

@JohnCornyn

Many unanswered questions about proposed "border adjustment" tax
1:25 PM - 26 Jan 2017

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Lindsey Graham

@LindseyGrahamSC

Border security yes, tariffs no. Mexico is 3rd largest trading partner. Any tariff we can levy they can levy. Huge barrier to econ growth /1
1:38 PM - 26 Jan 2017

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Lindsey Graham

@LindseyGrahamSC

Simply put, any policy proposal which drives up costs of Corona, tequila, or margaritas is a big-time bad idea. Mucho Sad. (2)
1:41 PM - 26 Jan 2017

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Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona also expressed concerns about NAFTA.
"While renegotiations could help to strengthen and modernize NAFTA to benefit American businesses and consumers, any effort to restrict or impose new barriers on our ability to trade with Mexico and Canada could jeopardize the future of this trade agreement and have serious consequences for Arizona and the country," McCain said in a statement.

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Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

Certainly a coming attraction at this point! So excited to hear the news and I will likely be offering up my services to help out however I can. I will be heading south sometime in the next year. Proud to be a part of history that future generations can look back and admire.

I think you meant a history of future generations that will be looking back in retrospective anger about all the stupid people (and cons) voted for someone who has stuck them with a debt that they are still paying - since Americans will be paying for this "wall" for some time to come - that is it this "wall" doesn't become fence like congress initially wanted when I made this post.

What state will you be heading to, to offer up your "services"? And, what are these "services"?

Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

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Same old Bruce, rambling about God knows what. Yes, God. I know the concept alone horrifies you, especially the concept of a loving God who teaches us to love our white brethren.

In less than four weeks now, your new president will take the stage ad announce his plans for uniting us and moving us past the hatred and glum prevailing narratives our partisanly liberal media has cast upon us.

Your ability, or inability, to accept this very great reality going forward will be crucial to your survival. I certainly hope that the time since the election has worked to heal and sow the damaged brain inside of your very liberal body.

Soon you will either rise with the rise of us or falter once and for all. I will be checking back up on you as the date comes near, and will be regardless of which path you embark upon, I will be reminding you of your past insolence in hopes that it shan't be repeated.

God speed, Bruce.

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Well so much for that! Ah. Aren't you blasphemous. This is one sick puppy who reads his bible by editing it. I'd think following Trump is exactly what the Bible warned about. This must be the same kind of Christian that are all over Twitter posting racist monkey pictures with black children visiting the zoo. Very low. Very anti-Christian.

Trump has breaks the commandments on a daily basis. Make sure to follow him on Twitter to see for yourself.


Fake news my foot!

Rːmn

Bruce, please pick up your dirty socks.

*laughs*

Come on qdude,

You know I always do my laundry and don't need a sock to handle anyone on this board/site nor would I need one to deal with you this late in the game considering the back and forth in this thread is going on three months.

That poster read your posts in this thread and came to the same conclusion about you that several other posters did when they said that you were "unhinged" and "a joke". And, considering some of the stuff you typed - looking back with a little self reflection - can you blame them?


Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

It's telling that you need separate accounts to boost your sense of righteousness.. But then in a a time where your political causes have all backfired so spectacularly, who can blame you?

Indeed, it's been an incredibly challenging week for all troubled anti-white minds, but I'm afraid that there are many more to come (415 or so). Best to just dig in and find a somewhat tenable grip on sanity while you still can. Though I see you're struggling.

You must be low on your medication since what you're saying makes absolutely no sense. The deflection coupled with your paranoid delusions are starting to take an even stronger hold - again. Shame, since I thought you were making some progress with you issues.

Not everyone who accuses you of NOT being sane is a sock account.

And, you never answered my questions:

What state are you heading down to - to offer your "services"?

And, what are these "services" that you are offering to the "wall" builders?

Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

Yes, they are. I know you have several, this is the one you use when you want to espouse whatever anti-w hite flavor of the week you feel like indulging in. It's embarrassing stuff to read.

I will likely head down to beautiful Nogales as a project manager. I don't want to bore you with the details, since I know that that tricky foreign concept of hard work quite likely could anger you to the point of damaged computer screens. Blue collar things are yucky for poor Bruce.

There goes that paranoid delusion seeping through again. Everyone who you come in contact with is "anti-white" and everyone one who disagrees with you is me including the ones who said you were also "anti-white" on different boards:

http://oi64.tinypic.com/2j5dzb.jpg

There's a pattern and people from across this site on several boards including this one know there is something not quite right with the ramblings that you post.

Anyway have you ever been to Arizona?

I'll take not wanting to bother me with "details" means that you don't know what "services" you are going to offer.

Since you can just pick up and leave to offer these wonderful "services" - I take it you're out of work now? Or, you don't like your current job?

And, you are single with no family?

Since you could just drop everything - pick up and leave to run down "south" to "project manage" and offer undisclosed "services".

Sounds like a well thought out plan - from a well thought out individual.

*smile*

Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

Bruce, in an obvious attempt at projection, you have been seen accusing others of racism. Your insecurities showing, you like to use the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" mantra of dealing with your obvious deficiencies as a human being.

Do you know what a project manager does Bruce? Have you ever worked a day in your life, or are you mooching off of the mysterious "others" (white males) you spew such vitriol towards?

Arizona is lovely in the spring, been there many times. I bet you had to look up where Nogales was on a map. Maybe save a screenshot so you can try to remember.

What happened to your copy/pasted garbage, Bruce?

When have I accused others of racism in this thread?

You have accused two other people besides myself (fox and tabby) of being racist and/or "pinko stooges". I can link where you have used said comments on said posters - since that's the *truth* and I back up everything that I've said about you with visual proof.

Can you? Can you link anything that would prove the claim that I have accused others of racism in this thread?

Or, all you just all non-factual [*strange*] [*weird*] [*odd*] talk [*ramblings*]?

In addition I guess you don't have a response to the following questions/statements:

Since you can just pick up and leave to offer these wonderful "services" - I take it you're out of work now? Or, you don't like your current job?

And, you are single with no family?

Since you could just drop everything - pick up and leave to run down "south" to "project manage" and offer undisclosed "services".

Since if you had a job and/or career you wouldn't be so eager to say that you were :

"offering up my services to help out however I can." - for a "project" that hasn't materialized yet in the form of where the monies will come from to pay for this "wall".


Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

You accused me of being a white nationalist

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There must have been a reason why you didn't post here - and came back with a white nationalist vengeance. Maybe you couldn't post for 10 years due to incarceration or maybe this is just a sock account that you use to troll every now and then. I can take a guess but I would really like to hear it from the horse's mouth - which one is it?

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and a bitter, delusional racist

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So you've had a couple weeks to really reflect on you life (not to mention go back to discussing the issues) to tell us why you went from a kid with a dream of writing movie scripts to a bitter delusional racist. Maybe you need a couple more weeks or years to come to grips with what you call your life. Something definitely happened you don't go from one extreme to another without some serious damage being done - to you in your personal life. It's all there for people to see and analyze - thanks to a few links :)

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This all after I rather embarrassingly outed you for your white-male internment ideals while you tried to play none the wiser.

A textbook case of projection, I might add.

You refused to answer questions and then flat out denied calling people racists in this very thread. The thin facade has cracked. The gig is nearly up, Bruce. The sock is nearly dead.

*Others*

As in *other* people besides you and I which is why I brought up *other* posters in *other* threads on *other* boards - besides you and I. You have used and said the same non-sense about *other* posters being "anti-white" and/or "pinko stooge" besides myself which was the point.

I know what I called you and stand by everything I have said about you - since it's the truth and I know you can't handle said truth - which is - that you must really dislike your current job and/or are unemployed if you can just "drop" "everything" and *desperately* run down to another state to offer undisclosed "services" (without any non-taxpayer funding) - on a whim. And, that you do have issues with race hence why that's your "go-to" space since you can't argue any legitimate points

(TL/DR: you're a troll).

You're delusional and paranoid and trying to deflect with a bunch of ad hominems since several people across several boards have called you out on the way you have conducted yourself on this site.

You can't stand the fact that *other* people have called you "unhinged" "a joke" and a "sick puppy" - based on your own your own unhinged and sick - posts.


Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

I suppose that when you have no way to score, shifting the goalposts becomes your only crutch. It will be okay Bruce, your ineffectual and rather shamefully haphazard debate skills have been exposed by this point, so any semblance of expectation for your logic to be coherent is now pretty far gone.

My issues with your racial biases and your mental affliction are certainly heartfelt, I have seen you nearly succumb to the violent tendencies that are naturally brought upon by them and I see it bogging down an individual who, while not exactly promising, could still become so much more.

I fear that Trump's opportunistic beginnings has finally pushed you past the brink of collapse and into full-on free fall. Your downward spiral will only conclude when you are six feet under, and that is a shameful truth that you will have to acknowledge. This could prove impossible for you to overcome.

I noticed that your tired line of questioning has been eradicated from your gibberish, which I presume to be a tacit admission that of its fruitlessness.

I also noticed that you deleted your previous post, implying that you are holding something back and surely tripping on your indecisive, hateful jargon. By all means Bruce, if you have some more garbage to spew, then spew it. The only thing that qualifies as surprising at this point is that you have not wound up in jail for acting out your dangerous ideals.

Hey qdude,

Looks like you decided to go full retard racist nationalist since the board is coming to a close. You have tolled this thread for over 2 months and it's sad to see that you have came full circle and reverted back to the way you were when you first came out from under your bridge to troll me in this thread.

Remember when you were obsessed with me and only posted exclusively to me for days on end:



Economists savage Trump's economic agenda


Donald Trumps Swamp Gets Murkier


Who just lost a court decision 3-0 vote:

Donald Trump just lost, bigly
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/09/donald-trump-finally-met-his-match-the-courts/

However, it wasn't the first time he lost:

Trump loses court battle, will pay $5.7M to golf members
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/02/01/trump-loses-court-battle-pay-57m-golf-members/97359600/

Nor the first time he defrauded citizens:

Trump pays $25M to settle Trump University lawsuits: report
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314901-trump-pays-settlements-in-three-trump-university-lawsuits-report

Once this board shuts down what will you do with your life?

What will you do when you can't post on this board (almost exclusively to me) anymore?

What will you do when Trump sends the country into a financial tailspin but only after he lines his own pockets and only before being impeached?

What will you do when your your "movement" gets shut down by your GOP once they finally get tired of Trump - and move to replace him with Pence - you know it's coming - the writing is on the wall (pun intended)?

What will you do then?


Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

Bruce,

I do feel that you are a threat to not only others but likely yourself as well. It's obvious that you have little other outlets through which to channel your racial angst. And I do feel that the elimination of this forum in your life could mean the elimination of several white males from yours. I am worried for those around you and will be dreadfully anticipating the headlines in the weeks to come with hopes that I can shed some light for the authorities when whatever unfortunate incident does occur.

You are a sick, hyperventilatingly partisan and bigoted individual Bruce. Your forays into my own history exhibit a trend of a deeply obsessed, diseased mind that has lost all semblance of rationality and any ability to weed the twisted thoughts out of the forefront of your conscience.

My "tolling" of this thread (although a posting tax may well be a good idea for the unemployed, such as yourself) has quite clearly shed more light on your condition, Bruce. The white males who you deplore are still there. They are still in the White House, even.

Whats up qdude!

Did you see the news today?!?!

I see you went from only logging into your account to make one single post to me:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=119pf7k&s=9

has changed. You now - after being called out again decided to post frantically in other topics and have done so for the past couple days before you decided to respond to me in this thread:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=rgx82e&s=9
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2nhnhnc&s=9

In order to save face and play it off like this isn't a secondary sock account (in addition to this being a sock account tend to think that there are two people posting on this account - since your posting style differs from board to board)

Anyway, remember what I told you about being easily manipulated? I find it odd that you would be so weak as to let an anonymous poster on an online message board have that much power over you to where you again change up your posting habits.

Also the irony isn't lost on me - that when looking at your most recent history shows that you are now back to harassing the poor posters on the "Dear White People" board. You are really obsessed with race. Pathetic, that you let race (and me) have so much power over you.

Funny you mention being unemployed when you're the one who famously said that you were going to head "down south" to help with the wall as a "project manager" to which I accessed that you must either hate you current job or are currently unemployed with no family since you could just drop everything on a whim like that - to which you never responded.

*laughs*

Enough of that however, let's get back to the news of the day.

How does it feel to have the first of many eggs all over your white supremacist face? Your movement is off to a rocky start to say the least. It must drive you over the edge to know that not only did Trump lose in court this past week, he also lost his National Security Advisor:

Michael Flynn Resigns as National Security Adviser
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/donald-trump-national-security-adviser-michael-flynn.html?_r=0

And, it's not over since he wasn't the only one:

NYT: Intercepted communications show Trump associates, Russians in contact
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/02/14/new-york-times-report-trump-campaign-aides-associates-russia/97925568/

Remember when I said this a 4 days ago BEFORE this scandal? (Of course you do since it was only a post ago):

What will you do when your your "movement" gets shut down by your GOP once they finally get tired of Trump - and move to replace him with Pence - you know it's coming - the writing is on the wall (pun intended)?

Well, we just got a step closer!


Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

Oh Bruce,

it would appear that the only thing frantic today is your deep psychological impasse in comprehending the closing of this forum, which will mark the end a huge chapter in your otherwise painfully empty existence. Your singularly moronic gibberish seems to be picking up in its pace lately. The desperate acts of an individual who knows one of the few outlets that they have for outside communication will soon be swallowed up, lost to time. But your hatred will live on Bruce. It will live on in your fraction of a heart and in your sliver of a damaged brain. IMDB may even archive the whole lot, so that when your final acts of hatred are committed, all will be able to revel in the otherworldly warped worldview of a true gargantuan lunatic such as yourself. That clock ticks nearer every day. Seven, six, five.


Bruce, the news of the day includes the recent nominations of patriots such as Jeff Sessions and Betsy DeVos. The much reviled Dr. Ben Carson (the man your ilk so desperately wants to pigeonhole, but can't!) meanwhile sees his nomination draw nearer every day, marching in lock step with the Bruce forum-end rage clock.

On the other side of our nation's beautiful capitol, Donald Trump continues his eventful occupancy of 1600 Pennsylvania unabated. While deeply disturbed partisan sycophants like you bemoan his every breath, our president continues his tall task of turning this country around and ending the divisive, racist hate and fear propaganda that your ilk continues to espouse.

Your puppy-dog level interest in my posting history tells me that, forlorn as ever, you are desperately looking for a friend. Well Bruce, I am disheartened to inform you, that I cannot be your friend until you disavow your racial hatred and admit that your previous viewpoint that all white males are devils was egregious and wrong. Until then, I can not go along with speaking any less than extremely candidly to you in hopes of your reformation.

I do believe that such reformation is what some of us would call a lost cause at this point, but try I will even if it means beating a rotten maggot covered dead horse.

And in five short days your final opportunity to vent will be over, as you descend into your future of padded room meltdowns as you smear fecal matter on your graying hair. Trump will be there. In your mind and your heart. And I am afraid that your hatred will be as well.

You responded right away qdude. Not surprising though since you did log on here, on a Saturday night, to make one post to me, only to then log off. Kind of creepy knowing that I'm your mind on the weekends:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2wlukbo.jpg

What will you do on Saturday Nights without this board? That coupled with your unhinged Zodiac like posts would make any reasonable person who comes in contact with you double check the locks on their doors.

I see that you are ranting about blacks, whites, and race on other boards as well:

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Re: What makes this racist?
image for user qdude440
by qdude440
» 13 hours ago (Tue Feb 14 2017 11:36:58) Flag | Reply |
IMDb member since July 2005
I've already answered your question. I have seen the trailer and read the premise. Both are obviously racist. It's coming from a place of hatred, especially obvious given that one of the writers is a confirmed racist.

What isn't racist about telling all white people they are evil?

http://www.imdb.com/board/15707802/board/nest/265910783?d=266035684#266035684

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Anyway, it must have really stung that the National Security advisor tainted your messiah and your "movement" - but that's what happens when you elect a con-man who cares more about his own pockets than the American people as witnessed by the 3,500 lawsuits he has been involved in:

Exclusive: Trump's 3,500 lawsuits unprecedented for a presidential nominee

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/

Spending that much time in court can be daunting no wonder he "wasn't aware" of what his team (including the National Security Advisor Michael Flynn) was doing right under his orange nose:

Trump advisor Carter Page is under investigation for his ties to Russia. He's continued to visit Moscow in spite of that investigation.

The man who most likely offered Page the deal to offer to Trump was found dead from gun shot wounds in the back of his car in Moscow in December. The Russian state press has called his death a heart attack since the initial report (in the back of his car, in an alley).

Trump advisor Paul Manafort, who left his official role as campaign chair last summer, is under investigation for his ties to Russia. Manafort reemerged after the election to advise Trump on cabinet positions

Rex Tillerson, former Exxon CEO, emerged as a dark horse candidate for Secretary of State shortly thereafter. Tillerson has extensive business ties to Russian oil and lobbied for a reduction in sanctions while at Exxon. He has deep ties to the company that offered Carter Page the equity deal, may be hiding oil assets in offshore tax shelters as he has in the past, and has been awarded the Russian Order of Friendship honor by Putin.

Former military intelligence officer, and Trump's National Security Advisor, Gen. Michael Flynn is under investigation for his communications with Russia following a December increase in sanctions by Pres. Obama. The Trump team have defended those calls with various conflicting explanations. After getting kicked out of the Obama DIA for his insubordination and islamaphobia, Flynn - the veteran intelligence office, cozied up to Putin.

Finally there is Trump advisor Roger Stone - a former business partner to Paul Manafort who cut his teeth in politics as one of Nixon's dirty trixsters. Stone outed himself as a back-channel communicator between Wikileaks's Assagne and the Trump campaign back in November. In his spare time before the election, Stone led the charge to cement the election as rigged in case of a Clinton victory. He is also under investigation by US intelligence.

One step closer!


Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

Where's "qdude" when you need him? At least he had the guts to answer and stand his ground where flying_POS hides behind his skirt.


And Trump's hypocrisy continues: http://www.imdb.com/user/ur4551243/

He was crazy AF but at least he responded and went toe to toe for almost a month. Can't say the same for that scared little girl flying_sh!t_monkey.

And Trump's hypocrisy continues: http://www.imdb.com/user/ur4551243/

Continued odd ramblings from a frantic, single-minded extremist.

I mean, the fact that I am still your apparent target when I am not involved with the topic speaks to the nerve that I have so clearly struck.

I gave you a back handed complement. You're not my target. I think everyone knows who my target is.

And Trump's hypocrisy continues: http://www.imdb.com/user/ur4551243/

I am rolling my eyes. Some white people really believe that the left is out to get them and exterminate whites. Delusional. Truly.

I understand - you're pointing out that Trump is going back on his campaign promises within the first week. It doesn't take a genius.

But what I find interesting is that, if you look at the electoral map, almost all those counties on the Mexican border voted blue, even in the red states. Apparently, even those neighboring Mexico were opposing a wall.


Tabby S.

In a few months it'll be a cardboard fence.

You're my wife now.

You do realize the President can't overturn RvW?

Trump said some areas would have a fence and some a wall. I'm fine with that.

Now go away snowflake.







If wanting illegals deported makes me a bigot - then wanting a rapist jailed makes you a sexist!

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You do realize the President can't overturn RvW?

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The Supreme Court can - and last night he didn't say that he would call of them to do it - he just said he would put someone on there with the same views - which isn't the same thing as a call to action to federally overturn it. Leaving it to the states means nothing since most states will keep it - so the people who voted for him just based on that issue we again - duped.

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Trump said some areas would have a fence and some a wall. I'm fine with that.

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Congress has said no to Trump's wall they want a fence - so they are at odds - which is the point. You voted for a GOP congress who is basically telling you that they are running the show and you will get a fence - how do you feel about congress trying to override Trump's main promise in a week?

I though Trump was going to drain the swamp - yet his cabinet is all filled with them. The Chief of Staff is the RNC chairman - seriously?

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Now go away snowflake.

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Which is what the GOP basically told you after they got your vote.

TROLL http://www.imdb.com/user/ur22826162/

Hey snowflake/buttercup/mudflap: New info - taxpayers to pay for "wall". "Wall that will never exist.
You are the most bigoted, misinformed tool around. FFS you are pathetic.

I guarantee that when that "wall" goes up, illegal immigration will increase.

"Сане солнем, вас все и видя."
еспле́ние и наказа́ние

Wall? Who said anything about a wall? What wall? Where? Why? Who needs a wall?

Leaving abortion up to the states would require ending Roe V Wade.

-I was born in a crossfire hurricane.

Trump is having a Maxwell Smart Moment about now:

Trump: At this very moment, we are building an impenetrable twenty-foot high wall from the Gulf of Mexico to Baja California, and Mexico will pay for it.

Me: I find that very hard to believe.

Trump: How about a eight-foot high barbed wire fence, some guard towers, and pack of German Shepherds? Would you believe it, a pack of blood-thirsty German Shepherds?

Me: I don't think so.

Trump: How about a storm ditch and a "Keep Off The Grass" sign?

Agent Orange is not going to build a goddamn wall. It costs too much money. He's gone back on this promise TWICE already.

Not going to prosecute Hillary.

He is standing firm on overturning the First Amendment, however.

Don't blame me, I voted for Hillary.

Trump supporters don't care. They voted AGAINST Hillary, not for Trump.


Don't blame me, I voted for Hillary.

lol.

Liberal cucks cry and whine when they think Trump isn't going to deliver on his promises, then they cry and whine when he does turn out to be good on his word.

Is there anything they won't cry over?

Get Hannitized! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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he does turn out to be good on his word.

Is there anything they won't cry over?

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Yeah, him building his wall - and making Mexico pay for it like he said he would do - instead of American tax payers.

Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

He IS making Mexico pay for it. That's why Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto went from angry defiance during the 2016 campaign to wanting to "respectfully negotiate" after Trump assumed office.

Nieto is doing that despite enormous political pressure within his own country not to communicate with Trump and he's doing it because he knows he will not survive politically if the U.S. seizes or taxes remittances, thus interrupting the revenue stream that passes for social services in his corrupt country.

After everything Trump has done in just 11 days, do you think he's not going to follow through on that?

Get Hannitized! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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He IS making Mexico pay for it

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How?

EDIT:

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That's why Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto went from angry defiance during the 2016 campaign

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Not true. False. Alternative Facts.

The Mexican President met with Trump during his campaign:



In which Trump claims that he and the Mexican president never discussed the wall and who would pay for it (which should have been the MAIN thing Trump discussed with him)

Matter of fact he called the Mexican President "a friend" [during the meeting which took place during the campaign].

Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

Is Mexico paying for it? Whatever it is now.

Still trying to figure out who is going to pay for this wall fence. I think Trump has other pressing matters to attend to this week

If it does get built I hope us ta payers don't get stuck with it and Trump decides to pay for it out of the money he stands to make from the Russian oil deal once he lifts the sanctions.

Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

So basically non moocher states like California is going to pay for it. Biggest US economy, 6th largest world economy, gives to feds rather than receiving. Democratic states always had to carry red neck states.

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The ones that give more to the federal government in taxes than they get in return. From 1 to 10, they are:

New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, Colorado.

Yes, they are all blue states (or the deepest of purple).

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*beep* useless rednecks.

You can keep your doctor.

How many times did 'Bama say that? And the people who call themselves intelligent fell for it.

And oh, he only got his Pinnochios AFTER he'd been reelected.

This thread is about the current president not the former one. You are more than welcome to make another - different - thread about Obama and talk about him there.

Now go home and get your *beep* shine box.

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: So now its a fence and not a wall; Not going to overturn RVW.by PoliticallyIncorrectone » 44 minutes ago (Wed Feb 15 2017 00:29:10)
IMDb member since September 2015
You can keep your doctor.

How many times did 'Bama say that? And the people who call themselves intelligent fell for it.

And oh, he only got his Pinnochios AFTER he'd been reelected

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I kept my doctor until the man retired.
How can Obama control that?
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/

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Claim: If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
FactCheck.org: Misleading.
Obama has repeatedly made this claim, and the White House continues to use the line on its website. The law doesnt force Americans to pick new plans or new doctors, but the president simply cant make this promise to everyone. Theres no guarantee that your employer wont switch plans, just as companies could have done before the law. And if you switch jobs, your new work-based coverage might not have your doctor as an in-network provider, either.
As we mentioned above, some employees wont have an offer of insurance and will look for a new plan on the exchanges. Some small businesses could drop their current plans and join the exchanges, too. Grocery store chain Trader Joes, for instance, announced that it will direct its part-time workers (less than 30 hours per week) to the exchanges for health coverage and provide them with $500 to help purchase it, as of Jan. 1, 2014. The company, which has provided coverage to such workers, said many crew members should be able to obtain health care coverage at very little, if any, net cost.

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http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/

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That range could be higher or lower depending on what number is used for the total who had non-group coverage in the first place. The Urban Institute authors cite a study published last year that found estimates of the total number of people covered by non-group policies ranged from 9.55 million to 25.3 million. So if 18.6 percent of non-group policyholders got notices that their policies were being dropped because of the new law, as the poll indicates, then the actual number whose plans were dropped could be as low as about 1.8 million or as high as 4.7 million (coincidentally, the same as the APs figure), depending on how many had such policies in the first place.
The authors, as noted, picked an estimate that fell in the middle of this range to arrive at their figure of 2.6 million discontinued policies. Until and unless better evidence comes along, thats the most solidly based figure available.
How many millions so far have gained coverage?
The early numbers on enrollment in the exchanges and Medicaid dont tell us how many of the enrollees were previously uninsured despite some claims from Democrats to the contrary. The Obama administration disclosed on April 10 that 7.5 million had signed up for plans on the exchanges, but we dont know how many previously had insurance. The Medicaid rolls increased by more than 3 million through the end of February, the administration also said, a figure that would reflect both those newly eligible under the law and previously eligible but now signing up.
But a survey funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and conducted by the Urban Institute indicates that many of those signing up for the exchanges and Medicaid may have been uninsured. It found that 5.4 million of the previously uninsured had gained coverage between September and the beginning of March. The exchanges launched Oct. 1.
An April 8 report by the nonprofit RAND Corp. put the figure of newly insured higher. Based on a nationwide poll, Rand estimated that there had been a net gain of 9.3 million insured adults as of mid-March, when the poll was being conducted. That includes marketplace and Medicaid enrollment, as well as an increase in employer-based enrollment.

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So 2.6 mill lost their particular plans because they were crappy plans but 9 million gained insurance & now it's what-20 million who have insurance thanks to Obamacare?


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