Politics : Why is the murder of a pregnant woman considered double homicide?
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I don't think it should, but I guess the law is working under the assumption the woman intended on having the child.
Also, the prison lobby is not insignificant. They have a financial interest in having as many people as possible locked up for as long as possible.
Never trust a black man named "Chip."
Also, the prison lobby is not insignificant. They have a financial interest in having as many people as possible locked up for as long as possible.
Never trust a black man named "Chip."
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She was 8.5 months pregnant, meaning it was a child. You cant get an abortion at that age. She could give birth to a healthy baby at 8.5 months.
Its different if it was 2 months. That's why there is a limit on when you can get an abortion.
Also the woman was clearly intending to have a child, that child is then a viable human waiting to be born. If a woman has no intention of going through with the pregnancy, its not a viable human.
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Its different if it was 2 months. That's why there is a limit on when you can get an abortion.
Also the woman was clearly intending to have a child, that child is then a viable human waiting to be born. If a woman has no intention of going through with the pregnancy, its not a viable human.
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She was 8.5 months pregnant, meaning it was a child.
So at what point does a fetus become a child?
Its different if it was 2 months
Not according to my understanding of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004. Also, a majority of US states recognize the fetus as a legal victim of homicide during the entire period of pre-natal development.
Also the woman was clearly intending to have a child, that child is then a viable human waiting to be born. If a woman has no intention of going through with the pregnancy, its not a viable human.
So the determining factor on whether a murder case should be tried as a homicide or a double homicide is based on what the woman was thinking before she was killed? What if she was 3 months pregnant and still undecided?
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So at what point does a fetus become a child?
When it can live outside the mother?
Not according to my understanding of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004
It was my own thoughts on the matter, not a legal fact.
So the determining factor on whether a murder case should be tried as a homicide or a double homicide is based on what the woman was thinking before she was killed?
un no, that isn't anything like what I wrote. An aborted pregnancy at 2 months was never going to be a humanit was unwanted and was terminated before it was a viable life. An unborn child at 8.5 months was clearly going to be a human, so its murder.
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An aborted pregnancy at 2 months was never going to be a humanit was unwanted and was terminated before it was a viable life
When does the fetus become a viable life then?
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How do men justify masturbation? Sperm is alive. Remember, a life is a life, no matter how small.
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Sperm isn't a human life. It's a cell. Biology 101.
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"I hear no voice. The dead cannot speak."
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A human cell. That if given the chance could have lead to a baby. Anything to justify spanking the monkey amirite?
In all seriousness.. I'm not exactly being serious here
Seriously though, sad story.
Also.. no more jerking off.. for anyone.
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In all seriousness.. I'm not exactly being serious here
Seriously though, sad story.
Also.. no more jerking off.. for anyone.
*With her alive-nostrils once snaggle front-tooth crossing the other and wear bangs -InherentlyYours
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A human cell. That if given the chance could have lead to a baby. Anything to justify spanking the monkey amirite?
It could have, but it didn't.
In all seriousness.. I'm not exactly being serious here
You're being a smartass, and this board isn't big enough for two smartassesso I'll be going now.
"I hear no voice. The dead cannot speak."
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*With her alive-nostrils once snaggle front-tooth crossing the other and wear bangs -InherentlyYours
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How do men justify masturbation? Sperm is alive. Remember, a life is a life, no matter how small.
that should be are alive but ignoring that despite sperm being alive in no way are they a human life.
Besides mastibation millions of them die having sex millions of them die even if one of them manages to find a egg. But in any case if you don't have sex or masturbate they are either reabsorbed into the body come out and die when you are sleeping via wet dream anyway.
Equating male masterbation with abortion is insane.
There's no point of being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes.
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You guys really take my posts way too seriously sometimes.
Sheesh.
Really though.. the masturbation must stop.
*With her alive-nostrils once snaggle front-tooth crossing the other and wear bangs -InherentlyYours
Sheesh.
Really though.. the masturbation must stop.
*With her alive-nostrils once snaggle front-tooth crossing the other and wear bangs -InherentlyYours
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But in any case if you don't have sex or masturbate they are either reabsorbed into the body come out and die when you are sleeping via wet dream anyway
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I think it's a good thing for the society and the order to make it two murder. People need to respect human life.
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But I never understood the pro-choice abortion argument that a fetus is just "her body, her choice"
When interpreting abortion law remember the issue is between a states interest in protection it's population vs a persons right to privacy. It's not really about weather a fetus is considered a life or not, the question is; is a fetus a 'person' protected by the constitution.
How do pro-choice people defend against this?
They don't, pro-choice organisations have argued against these laws
I suppose for me the reason I support the current abortion laws is because it allows a person to make the moral decision of 'when life begins' without a states interference. But still includes a framework where the potential child's right to life are protected (as the pregnancy develops) which I think is logical
I think it's a separate question as to weather an unborn child can be the victim of a crime, but I think it's tough to call it murder. For example, say a pregnant women went to a doctor, who preformed an abortion without permission, I think a crime has been committed against the women, not the fetus.
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I suppose for me the reason I support the current abortion laws is because it allows a person to make the moral decision of 'when life begins' without a states interference.
So 'when life begins' is different from person to person based upon their moral beliefs? That sounds like a question for science, not morality. By extension a woman could kill her six year old child because she morally decided that they were not alive yet.
For example, say a pregnant women went to a doctor, who preformed an abortion without permission, I think a crime has been committed against the women, not the fetus.
That would be the case if the fetus/baby was not developed to the point that it would be able to live outside the woman's body. At those times the crime is 'illegal termination of a pregnancy'.
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1. We live in society, and society has some laws/rules to guarantee peaceful coexistence and development; but we don't have laws/rules for everything. Society allows individuals to make many personal decisions as long as they don't conflict with society's goals and laws/rules.
2. The fetus becomes a baby/child when it is born, when it can live independently from the mother.
3. The fetus is alive but its life depends on the mother being alive.
4. Morally, the mother, in principle, can decide when to end the life of the fetus if that is what she wants. The mother is a full member of society with rights and responsibilities. One fundamental right of a person is the right to live with dignity and protect his/her life. So, if the mother for some reason thinks that the fetus endangers her life (with dignity), she has the right to end the life of the fetus.
5. Private prisons have great interest in profiting from prisoners. They lobby to make laws more draconian/punitive.
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2. The fetus becomes a baby/child when it is born, when it can live independently from the mother.
3. The fetus is alive but its life depends on the mother being alive.
4. Morally, the mother, in principle, can decide when to end the life of the fetus if that is what she wants. The mother is a full member of society with rights and responsibilities. One fundamental right of a person is the right to live with dignity and protect his/her life. So, if the mother for some reason thinks that the fetus endangers her life (with dignity), she has the right to end the life of the fetus.
5. Private prisons have great interest in profiting from prisoners. They lobby to make laws more draconian/punitive.
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Why is the murder of a pregnant woman considered double homicide?
First off, this is a terrible thing that happened and the scumbug deserves whatever is legally coming to him.
But I never understood the pro-choice abortion argument that a fetus is just "her body, her choice". It's a life. No matter how big or small the fetus is, it is a human life that is being ended.
This man killed a pregnant woman, he ended two lives (the article even refers to it as a child), he should face murder charges against both of them.
But when a woman gets an abortion, then it's not a child.
I understand that the woman in the article was almost ready to deliver, which may have played a part in the double homicide ruling. And I know that people say in the beginning stages of pregnancy it's just a clump of cells or something like that.
But if we landed on Mars today and scientists found something much smaller than a human fetus living on Mars, the headlines tomorrow would all read "Life found on Mars".
"But the fetus needs the mother to live"
If a life requires assistance to live, does it no longer count as a life? Would this argument also apply to people on dialysis or pacemakers?
How do pro-choice people defend against this?