Politics : So now its a fence and not a wall; Not going to overturn RVW….

We'll leave it up to the states. We don't want Obamacare but we'll keep some parts. I'm going to drain the swap but my chief of state is the RNC insider and my cabinet is full of the same establishment. All this within a week. LOL at everyone who voted for his fool.

And to the minorities who thought he doesn't hold the prejudice people said he had: he just hired a white nationalist in his cabinet.

He sold you snake oil (the syntactic kind) right to your uneducated faces.

Wait until they make even healthcare even more expensive - and millions of the poor lose it all together. Wait until they privatize social security. And, just wait until they cut taxes while fighting an inevitable war - financial destruction on top of civil unrest.



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All this within a week.

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Through the campaign it was something new every week. Although I wouldn't know, this sounds like a bad acid trip.


Tabby S.

You would know what a bad trip was.

Trump is just being practical on everything, dope. He stated many times already that a wall wasn't needed for the whole border.

He also stated many times that there were parts of the ACA he'd keep.

Either you just want a purely dogmatic president, or you don't know the difference between literal and figurative speaking, and you don't get metaphors.

Like closing gitmo?

His whole campaign was that he wasn't like Obama and that he was going to make America Great Again - so if he is not living up to his promises - like you just insinuated - the same way Obama didn't then his whole "Make America Great Again" was a lie.

And the WALL, OBAMACARE, AND RVWADE were the CORE principals of his campaign - and it has been changed and altered substantially within a week - ONE week is all it took. Shame on you fools.

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So why are you mad?

The only way I would be mad is if I voted for him. I knew he was full of hot air - he was a liar and is a yes man - and it only took a week and Leslie Stahl to point that out.

Do you think Trump will use imported wood for the fence - like he did Chinese steel or will he at least use wood right here from good ole USA?

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See, that's why you lost the states; you took him literally but not seriously.

Now he's President-Elect and you'll have to do something extraordinary, unprecedented and destabilizing to America as a whole to change it.

Or you can listen to Oprah, and give him a fair chance to do this thing.

To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton

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See, that's why you lost the states; you took him literally but not seriously.

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I'm sorry that when someone says wall I should have taken that to mean a fence

Excuses.

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Now he's President-Elect and you'll have to do something extraordinary, unprecedented and destabilizing to America as a whole to change it.

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If President Ryan - I mean speaker Ryan - since Trump is actually the president (in name only) gets his way then the dismantling of Medicare by 2017 (something Trump promised he wouldn't touch) will be just one of the extraordinary, unprecedented things that destabilizes America.

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Or you can listen to Oprah, and give him a fair chance to do this thing.

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Oprah doesn't trump (no pun) common sense - sorry I don't allow my chain to be pulled by just anyone with a billion dollars whether that person be a black liberal woman or an orange man.


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I'm sorry that when someone says wall I should have taken that to mean a fence

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No need to apologize, just remember when we heard 'wall' we knew it meant comprehensive and effective immigration policy reform and enforcement.

Now you know too. Welcome.

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If President Ryan - I mean speaker Ryan - since Trump is actually the president (in name only) gets his way then the dismantling of Medicare by 2017 (something Trump promised he wouldn't touch) will be just one of the extraordinary, unprecedented things that destabilizes America.

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Medicare and ACA has serious issues that can be solved at a federal level. It needs to be touched in the interests of public wellness. Which is to say many of the things both programs provide are worth preserving, but providing more efficiently and effectively. If that is change you object totough.

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Oprah doesn't trump (no pun) common sense - sorry I don't allow my chain to be pulled by just anyone with a billion dollars whether that person be a black liberal woman or an orange man.

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But you let the DNC pull it, they are still pulling it. I think you would have a new understanding of common sense if you took your chain away from any political ideology or facton.

To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton

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No need to apologize, just remember when we heard 'wall' we knew it meant comprehensive and effective immigration policy reform and enforcement.

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No "we" didn't hear anything - since the concrete wall was outlined with illustrations and dimensions on his website. If I say I'm going to build you a 14 room/19 bath mansion, draw up the plans, an show you pictures of what said mansion will look like - then I build you a tiny house with a portapotty - you would have every right to scream foul and sue me.

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Medicare and ACA has serious issues that can be solved at a federal level. It needs to be touched in the interests of public wellness. Which is to say many of the things both programs provide are worth preserving, but providing more efficiently and effectively. If that is change you object totough.

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People like Medicare as is - and providing vouchers to people to give to insurance companies that won't cover the full cost since the voucher will stay the same no matter how much the costs increase - is not beneficial no matter how much you try to spin it.

And whether you wrongly think it needs to be "touched" is not the point. Point is Trump said he wouldn't and campaigned on that promise - since most seniors do not want it "touched" - so if it's "touched" anyway - isn't that a LIE?

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But you let the DNC pull it, they are still pulling it. I think you would have a new understanding of common sense if you took your chain away from any political ideology or facton.

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You said that I should listen to Oprah - as if because she's a Democrat - I should suspend common sense. I replied that's not something I am willing to do - Democrat or not.

What you responded with about me sticking to political ideology is actually the exact opposite of what I said I would do.

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He's sending the 3 million criminal illegals back and the others can earn their citizenship building the wall.

Grant discovered raptor eggs in Jurassic Park

Lulz

op actually thought a Muslim ban would happen lol derp

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op actually thought a Muslim ban would happen lol derp

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The word Muslim was not mentioned in my OP - please stay in school and learn how to read or at least comprehend.

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He's sending the 3 million criminal illegals back and the others can earn their citizenship building the wall.

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Haven't you heard the wall is now a fence. LOL - a fence can't even keep out a strong a gust of wind. Big difference between a WALL and a fence - that we already have up in some parts of the southern border.


Also Obama deported 2 million immigrants and didn't run on and anti immigration campaign - so deporting 3 millions isn't some great feat and is only a million more than the previous administration.

In addition 3 million will not make a dent in the 12 million illegals already here - so how much of an impact do you think that deportation will have?

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What happened to slave labor building the wall? I.e, prisoners working for a buck an hour

Fake news my foot!

Rːmn

Still a wall, dingus.

A wall and a fence are two different things. Republicans want a fence - you know the same Republican establishment the swap that he claimed needed to be drained) who he hired all throughout his cabinet. Yes those people want a fence. The same establishment that will have to pass a budget for a wall.

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Op was schlonged

The only thing scholonged (such a deplorable word btw) is you and your fellow supporters - you voted to make America Great Again - yet its business as usual and that is validated by his cabnet staff picks. You do realize that Republicans are in bed with the Big Business who hire these illegals and use them for cheap labor - that's why Republicans never cracked down on immigration even though they had the Bush years to - and now it looks like they still haven't changed no matter how many deplorables whine about it because they just downgraded your concrete wall to white picket fence.

FOOLS.

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Not once did I ever picture a 1900 mile continuous wall. If you did, you are a fool.

http://www.constructionweekonline.com/pictures/Aldar/India-fence.jpg

http://www.havuzkimyasalim.com/wp-content/uploads/t/t-border-fence-art.

http://rickwells.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/246-border-wall-940.png

The Original 'The Trashcan Man' since 2001

I don't care what you imaged since you're not Trump - I'm speaking about the 10 billion dollar plus wall that he outlined on his website and that he said he would built to "Make America Great Again" - Republicans have now said they want a fence and not that 10 billion dollar wall Trump promised - so who's really in charge and running this show ?

Trump's main claims to fame - that he hyped to all his voters - is a flop courtesy of your Republican party.


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Nonsense. Americans, 59% to be exact, want a border barrier; a wal; a fence; a God damned moat. We want whatever it takes to help stop unlimited flow of illegal aliens crossing the border. Hacks like you are making a big deal out of words when the meaning is clear.

You have it wrong. I don't care what you imagine since you lost the election. They can fuss about a wall, a fence, a moat a minefield for all I care. Just build it. I don't give a rat's ass who pays for it either.

The Original 'The Trashcan Man' since 2001

But we already have a fence in parts of the southern boarder. And people still get in - that's why Trump used the term WALL - if it didn't matter then I guess we can just grab some thread and used that a bearer, right? You're not making sense.

A Wall provides more protection than a fence and is less penetrable - it's more beneficial for keeping those people that are taking our jobs (with the help of Big Republican Business owners that hire them - though no one mentions that) which was the whole point - now that it has been shown that it's unlikely to happen via a GOP congress - you now change your tune and say "well just build something" - see things like that is why they do what they do - because you are not holding your party responsible for the things they promised.

He said a WALL - you should demand a wall - since that's what you voted for - not rope, or string, or a bearer or dirt.

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But we already have a fence in parts of the southern boarder. And people still get in

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Not the whole border. They can go over the top, through it, or under it. All of that can be stopped or dramatically reduced. No one except you are making a big deals out of what the wall looks likes.

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Not the whole border. They can go over the top, through it, or under it. All of that can be stopped or dramatically reduced. No one except you are making a big deals out of what the wall looks likes.

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No Trump made the biggest big deal about it - what the wall would look like since it was posted on his website - loud out loud - with illustrations and everything. Have you ever been to the southern boarder - do you even live in a boarder state? You act as if we don't have any broader patrol or agents to stop people now.

If I was contractor and made the same promises Trump did in regards to a wall and gave you a fence you would sue me for misrepresentation.

A wall is not the same as a fence and the fact that you have to try to convince yourself of that instead of being upset at your GOP congress who is supporting a fence instead of the "great" wall speaks volumes. You're making a bunch of excuses and just saying well build anything - which is what we already have - hence why you guys had the problem and supported a GIANT WALL in the first place.


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yada yada yada.

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So first you say you want a WALL - then when it's pointed out that their probably won't be a WALL because of the GOP congress - that you voted into power - doesn't want one you say "well just build something - don't care if it's a fence" - then when it's pointed out that we already have a fence - and that people still get in - hence why Trump said we need a WALL - you say "well no one but me cares what this wall is supposed to look like" - then when it's pointed out that Trump actually cared and gave illustrations and dimensions on his website to his supporters for at least a year - your response is:

"yada yada yada."

I hope no one ever takes you seriously on his board (I don't think most did in the first place) but instead of actually saying well you have a point or yeah you're right the GOP is not doing what "we the people wanted when we voted Trump into office" - you just say you don't care. You really didn't care about the issues in the first place and that's what people have been saying about you deporlables from jump street - if cared you would be outraged - but you don't you're vote was a protest vote for a bigot with NO experience because that bigot had white skin.

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It is you no one will take seriously. You ramble on and on about what a wall is supposed to look like instead of what a wall will do. I care about what people call me, too. It that some on here call ridiculous names and have to be either ignored or laughed at.

I proudly cast my protest vote, and I'd do it again tomorrow. I think you don't know what kind of betrayal people have had over the last couple of decades by their own elected government. This is what happens when you betray us. Do our bidding, and do it honestly, or get out of town.

Anyone that does not like that can suck eggs. We won this time. trump will turn the town upside down.


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It is you no one will take seriously. You ramble on and on about what a wall is supposed to look like instead of what a wall will do. I care about what people call me, too. It that some on here call ridiculous names and have to be either ignored or laughed at.

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No people will take me seriously - if what I'm saying makes sense and is logical they may not agree but YOU don't make any sense nor are you being logical and when I show you how you're not making logical sense you respond like a child with "yada,yada,yada"

This isn't about what a WALL will look like as in what color - will be or what what type of design if any it will have. The point which you are purposely ignoring & now trying to save face by ignoring is that IT WON'T BE A WALL - IT WILL BE A FENCE PER CONGRESS. WE ALREADY HAVE A FENCE AND THAT HAS NOT KEPT PEOPLE OUT SO THAT'S WHY TRUMP PROPOSED A WALL - A WALL THAT THE GOP CONGRESS DOES NOT WANT - SO IF THEY BUILD A FENCE INSTEAD OF A WALL - WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE - THEN WHAT IS THIS FENCE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT THE OTHER FENCE DIDN'T DO?

This is what a wall looks like (Trump promised):

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7465/15794121085_b27d4f63f4_b.jpg

This is what a fence looks like (congress wants):

http://www.minutemanhq.com/images/nacofence_03.jpg


They are NOT the same - so its not a matter of cosmetics - as you seen to be referring - they are not one in the same.


^^^^^you keep talking about a wall when that's not what the congress wants to build - so are mad at congress for not wanting to go forward with the WALL? Or, is it like I suspected and you really don't care and it was just about making sure a bigot got into the white house - basically a protest vote?

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I proudly cast my protest vote, and I'd do it again tomorrow. I think you don't know what kind of betrayal people have had over the last couple of decades by their own elected government. This is what happens when you betray us. Do our bidding, and do it honestly, or get out of town.

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I'm pointing out about government betrayal in this very post - and yet you keep ignoring it since it's being done by your grand ole party. People who voted for Trump want a wall - these same people most likely voted for a GOP congress to support Trump - now if that GOP congress is now saying they want a fence - isn't that a government betrayal? And, are you mad at that betrayal? They got your vote and now are saying they want to scale back that wall to an inferior fence.

You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. Either you're mad at government betrayal - in which case - this should bother you - or you're just a partisan hack.

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Anyone that does not like that can suck eggs. We won this time. trump will turn the town upside down.

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What have you really won. He's not touching abortion or marriage - and the wall is now a fence. The deportation of 3 million is just 1 million up from the 2 that Obama deported and won't make a dent in the 12 million that are here. His cabinet is full of the same insiders and establishment that people like you complained about. So what have you won? You have a bigot in the white house (confirmed by his pick of Steve Bannon) - is that what you call winning - voting in a guy who walks back on all and/or most his promises.

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"Hey, where's that illegal immigrant band?"

"Band? I thought you said ban??"

"No! And how's that Mexican mall coming along?"




Tabby S.

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Seriously.. did you listen to a different interview than I did? Because he said, outright, that 'some parts' will need a fence but most of it will be a wall and that the whole RVW thing is on the backburner Seriously?

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Did you hear Leslie Stahl when she said that the establishment Republicans - you know the ones who need to pass the 10 billion for a wall - want a fence? So if they don't pass the budget and want a fence - unless Trump spends his own money - who is going to pay for a wall?

And RVWADE - he said he would hand over to the states - he said he was pro-life and that he would put a judge on the court who shared that view - no where did he say he would challenge to overturn abortion federally - matter of fact he said we were a long way from even getting there - let me guess how long that is - about 8 years.

Yet some people were under the guise that he would call for the court to overturn it asap - yet his answer was no were near the conviction he displayed during his campaign.

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You just go on hearing what you want to hear. BTW The budget for the fence/wall comes out of the aid we give to Mexico so they would definitely be encouraged to build it as quick as possible to get that money back. Not like they don't deal with this kind of shyt on their southern border already

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You just go on hearing what you want to hear.

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No, I heard Leslie right the first time she said that the Republicans want a fence. Pull the transcript and correct me if that's not what she said.

The president of Mexico has said they are NOT paying for a wall - in TRUMPS orange face - and what did Trump say - not a thing - nothing - his response was "well we didn't discuss that". Um, that would have been the first thing we would have discussed.

If congress wants a fence we are getting a fence - if Trump was this big bad person who thought for himself and had his own ideas - he wouldn't have hired the establishment he spoke out against. Think of it as a marriage one will eventually start to influence the other - and we have already seen who going to wear the pants in this relationship - hint: it ain't the guy with no government experience.

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What she said and what he said are two different stories.. It's amazing you can't accept his answer.Mexico IS NOT PAYING FOR THE WALL anyways.. citing previous statement.

P.S. Hillary wanted a 'fence' too.. But if you've seen Sicario, you'll know what's really going on down there.. A wall is the minimum we need in certain areas.

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You said I heard what I wanted to hear and now you are saying that in fact they said two different things - so I didn't "just hear what I want to hear" - I heard her correctly when she said that Congress wants a fence - Trump said he wants a Wall - who will win - again it's not going to be the guy who flip flops on his promise of cleaning establishment house - and then hires that same establishment as his direct advisers. Common sense tells me that congress - you know the people who do this and have been doing this for a living know how to play this game more than someone who has filed bankruptcy 4 times.

Business as usual.

And, Hillary may have wanted a fence but she didn't promise us anything other than a fence - this is about Donald and him not being able to do the MAIN thing he said he was going to do.

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So she was PRO gay marriage the entire time as well? Throwing stones in a glass house leaves no one unprotected.

The main thing he wants is to get rid of criminals and gang members. Are you serously 'pro-choice' on the matter?

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This isn't a referendum on Hillary she is not the president elect. This is about Donald not being able to fulfill the main thing he promised to fulfill. Someone said that once this country is financial destroyed via the Donald and his catastrophic economic polices - will people finally get why - everyone - across party lines warned us that he would be bad for the country? Will they take some blame for voting that unqualified bigot into office and cutting off their noses to spite their faces? And, someone said NO - they'll just blame Obama - and your response proves that.

I bring up Donald's flip flipping and inability to deliver his main promise of building a wall - thanks to a GOP congress that his supporters also voted for - and you bring up Hillary. You see how silly and ridiculous that sounds?


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Well then I guess we're gonna have to see if he can fulfill his obligation.

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Sounds like you're mad at Hillary for Donald walking back on his promises - or not being able to fulfill them due to a GOP congress - sounds like you have some misdirected anger -maybe you should see someone about that - or should pick up a hammer and some nails and use that anger toward something positive and beneficial to this country like BUILDING A WOODEN FENCE

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Apparently you missed a great story when you were a child about the 3 little pigs.. What did the smartest one do again?

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What did the smartest one do again?

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Didn't vote for Trump.

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Desperate Hillary supporter gasping for air.

You are a dogmatic, liberal hack and supporter of genocide against Caucasian males. Truly a pathetic sight to see.

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Desperate Hillary supporter gasping for air.

You are a dogmatic, liberal hack and supporter of genocide against Caucasian males. Truly a pathetic sight to see.

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I'll admit that the caliber of words that you used is higher than your average deplorable however, nothing I said would warrant that label. The genocide isn't against Caucasian males it's against the United States and the fact that you still think it terms of us vs them - proves that your not as intelligent as the words you use.

The only hack mentioned in this thread is Trump - and that has been shown by how he has moved and changed on some of his most Make America Great Again rhetoric - it must suck to know that even with your white skin - the Republican establishment doesn't give a sh!t about you either - and they basically told you that and thanked you for the vote - by downgrading your wall to a cherry wood fence.

Guess you're not as important as you thought you were huh?

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The genocide isn't against Caucasian males it's against the United States

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See I can be the Mainstream Media Too! I'm just going to make a meme out of this and cite Hillary


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Hillary didn't win the election - why you keep mentioning her I don't know - we are taking about the president elect of the United States - if you want to take about Hillary - the one who conceded - make your own thread about her. This is about Donald walking back the core of what he promised his band of deporables.

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Because Every. Single. Time. something anti-Hillary came up during the campaign the liberals shouted 'BUT TRUMP!' It's just quid pro quo.

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