Politics : Liberal mind teaser… Refugees and Terrorism

If Muslim refugees have nothing to do with terrorism, then why will banning refugees cause terrorism?




Of course, the answer would mean that liberals would have to accept what is the most obvious of Donald Trump supporters' political positions: that Islam has a higher propensity for terrorism then other demographics.




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If Muslim refugees have nothing to do with terrorism, then why will banning refugees cause terrorism?

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You don't seem to understand what the experts on this issue are saying.

The extremist organisations, ISIS and such, use a ban on Muslims (because, let's face it, that's what it is) as a propaganda tool.

Oh, and for the record, refugees do have something to do with terrorism. They're the victims of it. You have victims who're killed and maimed. Then you have victims who've had to leave their homes and uproot their lives. Refugees would be the latter.





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You don't seem to understand what the experts on this issue are saying.

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https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HomelandSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pdf

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/shock-report-72-convicted-terrorists-come-countries-travel-ban-list/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/flashback-3-somalian-immigrants-stabbed-24-people-3-terrorist-attacks-u-s-soil-2016/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/senate-report-380-580-terrorism-cases-2001-2014-involved-foreign-born-islamists/

It's you that doesn't understand what they say, apparently.

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The extremist organisations, ISIS and such, use a ban on Muslims (because, let's face it, that's what it is) as a propaganda tool.

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They use all sorts of deception. Doesn't mean it works. Give me an example of this actually working, and working over what they're already doing.

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Oh, and for the record, refugees do have something to do with terrorism. They're the victims of it. You have victims who're killed and maimed. Then you have victims who've had to leave their homes and uproot their lives. Refugees would be the latter.

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No, you have no proof all of these migrants are innocent. Not even the FBI, CIA U.S. Military or Homeland Security agrees with you. Say, how many are you helping? How many are living with you? Meanwhile, idiot, Sweden is burning. Shame on you.


"i donated $500 to Hillary and $1000 to Stein."
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It's you that doesn't understand what they say, apparently.

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What is it you think I don't understand? Nothing of what you just said really counters what I said. You're just showing me examples of other terrible events.

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They use all sorts of deception. Doesn't mean it works. Give me an example of this actually working, and working over what they're already doing.

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What do you mean by that? Should I give you an example of a terrorist who says he/she resorted to terrorism because of the ban?

How old are you, 12?

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No, you have no proof all of these migrants are innocent. Not even the FBI, CIA U.S. Military or Homeland Security agrees with you. Say, how many are you helping? How many are living with you? Meanwhile, MOTHERFCKER, Sweden is burning! Shame on you. You'll always be a piece of shít, T-Mex, and you know it.

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Who said they're all innocent? That's why proper vetting is a good thing. But you're right, I don't believe in closed borders. I think that's counterproductive. You don't win anyone over that way. Since the vast, VAST, majority of refugees are really refugees, the opportunity to create something good is so much more constructive than the damage caused by closing the door on everyone, I prefer the solutions based on helping out.

But you're not here to have a nuanced debate. You're here to spew bile and hatred. There's really no point to a discussion with people who view the world in black and white and nothing in between. You're not here to make sense. You're not here to try to understand what's going on. You're only interested in one perspective. You're essentially part of the problem, not the solution.

Oh, and for the record, Sweden is not burning. We have our fair share of issues. But to say Sweden's burning is just stupid and ignorant. But it's nice to see you're just as misinformed as ever. Informed people tend to get further.









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What is it you think I don't understand? Nothing of what you just said really counters what I said. You're just showing me examples of other terrible events.

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Actually, it more than counters it. It explains in detail from the report why you're wrong. The other links are samples that show how crazy you are for dismissing them.

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What do you mean by that? Should I give you an example of a terrorist who says he/she resorted to terrorism because of the ban? How old are you, 12?

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"The extremist organisations, ISIS and such, use a ban on Muslims (because, let's face it, that's what it is) as a propaganda tool."

You made the claim, dumbass. Prove it to be working.

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Who said they're all innocent? That's why proper vetting is a good thing. But you're right, I don't believe in closed borders. I think that's counterproductive. You don't win anyone over that way. Since the vast, VAST, majority of refugees are really refugees, the opportunity to create something good is so much more constructive than the damage caused by closing the door on everyone, I prefer the solutions based on helping out.

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You seem to think they are. What are some examples of proper vetting? How can you vet someone with no records? Experts say it's broken. Why should anyone take your word for it? I mean, you're a pussy that refuses to acknowledge the crime and chaos in your own country. Of course you don't believe in closed borders, you want the enemy in because you simply don't value the law nor the safety and security of your people. According to Homeland Security, there is no proof that the majority of these invaders are good. You got any proof to suggest otherwise? Nope! You prefer Sweden to burn, people to die and females to be raped while you stand by and watch.

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But you're not here to have a nuanced debate. You're here to spew bile and hatred. There's really no point to a discussion with people who view the world in black and white and nothing in between. You're not here to make sense. You're not here to try to understand what's going on. You're only interested in one perspective. You're essentially part of the problem, not the solution.

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Facts don't care about your feelings. I brought the debate because I actually care, you're running away from it because you do not care. I'm here to remind you of the facts straight from the experts. Your hypocritical rant only serves to embarrass you, because the more you continue to believe you're right, world events prove you wrong. The solution isn't to encourage this death and destruction, it's to prevent and end it You simply don't want that. Which positions you on the wrong side of history.

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Oh, and for the record, Sweden is not burning. We have our fair share of issues. But to say Sweden's burning is just stupid and ignorant. But it's nice to see you're just as misinformed as ever. Informed people tend to get further.

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Informed, huh? See how out of touch this retarded scumbag is? Someone remind him of the rate of rapes there, too.



"i donated $500 to Hillary and $1000 to Stein."
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ISIS uses images of little girls reading from a book as a propaganda tool.

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Oh, and for the record, refugees do have something to do with terrorism. They're the victims of it. You have victims who're killed and maimed. Then you have victims who've had to leave their homes and uproot their lives. Refugees would be the latter.

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And we went there and fought for them to have schools, hospitals, police and stable governmentsbut the world 'hated' us for it. There's nothing in place that will ensure the victims of these country's problems are not simply the people on the losing side of a civil war and entirely incompatible with law-based societies and secular culture.

And one last thing,
If experts really knew what the problems were, they would be fixing them instead of commenting on them.


To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton

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ISIS uses images of little girls reading from a book as a propaganda tool.

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I'm sure they are.

But the one thing they hate more than anything else is nations who try to help and unite instead of creating a divide. Because their main goal, what they thrive on, is the divide.

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And we went there and fought for them to have schools, hospitals, police and stable governmentsbut the world 'hated' us for it.

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Well, actually, it was mostly for stupid, ignorant, misguided ideological decisions like sacking Saddam's army, while simultaneously disenfranchising all Baath Party members at all levels - against the advice of their military leaders - which essentially created a huge militia of angry, frustrated, men, trained to kill and armed to their teeth. Stuff like that. You know, the creation of the Iraqi insurgence. Whose leaders are one and the same as ISIS leaders today.

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If experts really knew what the problems were, they would be fixing them instead of commenting on them.

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What makes you think that? Experts comment all the time. Some work on it and comment. Some just comment, because they have previous experience. Some don't comment at all.

Sorry, that was just an irrelevant quote from you. You know way better than that.

Btw, Darkramj, I'll miss our exchanges. Don't think I won't.





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But the one thing they hate more than anything else is nations who try to help and unite instead of creating a divide. Because their main goal, what they thrive on, is the divide.

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Which is why people without the authority or the responsibility shouldn't undermine a government just because they didn't get the POTUS they wanted.

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You know, the creation of the Iraqi insurgence. Whose leaders are one and the same as ISIS leaders today.

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We know, that's why rushing to abandon the country for political points was just one in a long list of bad ideas.

When you have a 24hour news cycle, an expert is nothing more than someone who talks while a host takes a sip of water.

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Btw, Darkramj, I'll miss our exchanges. Don't think I won't.

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As will I, sir. you've always been a gentleman no matter how intense the disagreement.


To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton

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You don't seem to understand what the experts on this issue are saying.

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Your Bush/Clinton neocons have been running the show for how many years now?

Man, you love to load a question

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https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question

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Banning refugees will give the critics of our nation more fodder for attacks against our nation. Be they political or terrorist.

If we are accepting refugees, our critics have no reason to point at us and say "Look at how terrible they are!"

If we turn them away, they have more ammunition to sling at us. That may cause the fringe to turn away from us and towards our enemies.


Be they terrorists, potential trade partners or allies critical of the new administration.

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Ahem, You type a lot of crap, bbrown.



"i donated $500 to Hillary and $1000 to Stein."
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He posed a question and then said that it was impossible to answer without admitting Islam was more prone to violence.

I answered it.

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Banning refugees will give the critics of our nation more fodder for attacks against our nation. Be they political or terrorist.

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The critics don't have facts or stats in their favor, though. In fact, they don't even have majority support. Terrorists don't care one way or the other. They're already here. Don't you think they exploited Obama's stance on immigration and the U.S./Mexico border? Border Security says they did, regardless of a ban.

Hell, they're being brought here freely, by planes. Why else are the settled ones bringing in diseases at record numbers?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/17/22-resettled-refugees-minnesota-tested-positive-tuberculosis/

http://www.sfaw.org/newswire/2016/08/28/refugees-boosting-the-tb-rate-in-nebraskatheyre-ill-not-legal-aliens/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/28/seven-refugees-active-tb-sent-idaho/

They're not being vetted properly and the terrorists especially know this. They even said they would take advantage of our weak system years ago.

Did you watch that recent video of that U.S. Marine that had to leave Iraq? Take it from him. They're masters of deception.




"i donated $500 to Hillary and $1000 to Stein."
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The critics don't have facts or stats in their favor, though. In fact, they don't even have majority support.

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The sad fact is, since when do facts and stats matter? Especially to our nation's critics.

And no Terrorist group has majority support.

Since when? Since always. I don't care how clueless they are. They should be educated.

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And no Terrorist group has majority support.

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What? I didn't say that. I said the ban does.


"i donated $500 to Hillary and $1000 to Stein."
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My comment has never been about the US outlook on anything.

It has been about external groups.

Really hurts Japan.

How many Muslim refugees have they taken in now?

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Banning refugees will give the critics of our nation more fodder for attacks against our nation. Be they political or terrorist.

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Because our government's duty is not to it's people, but the world's approval.

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If we are accepting refugees, our critics have no reason to point at us and say "Look at how terrible they are!"

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Our enemies will call it weak and naïve.

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If we turn them away, they have more ammunition to sling at us. That may cause the fringe to turn away from us and towards our enemies.

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Our enemies behead, torture, kill, commit horrific acts around the globe.

It's ridiculous to think that someone would find that a worthy alternative to accepting some policy.

Ridiculous that acts by Muslim extremist groups do not inspire your outrage a fraction as much as a little security protocol does.

And if the prospect of not being able to make a home in the U.S. is enough to drive you into the arms of jihadis, you weren't worth courting and we're better off with you far away.


To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton

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Banning refugees will give the critics of our nation more fodder for attacks against our nation. Be they political or terrorist.

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but if they're already inclined towards terrorism then how will an immigration ban from the countries such scum typically hail from make things worse?

Indeed, you also surely can't be be implying that strict immigration controls will somewhow compel otherwise peaceable citizens into instigating mass murder.or are you?!

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If we are accepting refugees, our critics have no reason to point at us and say "Look at how terrible they are!"

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But Germany, France, the U.K., Belgium and not least the U.S. have all been subjected to Islamic terrorism - none of whom were enacting any purportedly controversial immigration bans at the time, as evidenced by some of those attacks being perpetrated by purported 'refugees'!

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If we turn them away, they have more ammunition to sling at us.

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This is perversely remiscent of the stoning scene in Life of Brian where the condemned is warned just before his execution that he's making it worse for himself by repeating the name "Jehovah".

And coincidentally his adroit response to John Cleese's high priest is precisely mine to your rather silly assertions



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The real question is:

If Muslim refugees have nothing to do with terrorism, than why bother banning them?

Zero American deaths in America have happened from anyone from the seven countries named in the ban.

Trump lies:
Mexico is going to pay for the wall.
I can stop federal funds.

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If Muslim refugees have nothing to do with terrorism, than why bother banning them?

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Because they do have something to do with terrorism. ISIS said they'd use refugees to commit terrorist attacks, much like they have been doing in Europe. Duh.

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Zero American deaths in America have happened from anyone from the seven countries named in the ban.

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Remember the Ohio State Stabber? Somalian.

No deaths, but it must be inconvenient for you.


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