Politics : I was so-so on Trump building the wall.Not anymore.

But now that we know for certain mexico was funding illegals to come here and they are throwing tantrums and protests in mexico like its their divine right to throw their trash on our border I hope trump builds a giant wall. I hope its electrified and we also place mines all around it do they cant even touch it.

Have you saved up the cash to pay for your portion of the wall like a good little sheeple?

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Have you saved up the cash to pay for your portion of the wall like a good little sheeple?

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Hmm..


Illegal immigrants$100+ billion a year


Build a wall- 13-15 billion


Looks like I'll be saving myself some cash.

That's not how the math works sheeple. Americans weren't supposed to pay for the wall. That was the deal. It's like being promised a free time share, only to find out that you're paying for everybody's share.

And then pretending that's it's a wonderful idea while the rest of the tenants laugh at you.

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That's not how the math works sheeple. Americans weren't supposed to pay for the wall. That was the deal. It's like being promised a free time share, only to find out that you're paying for everybody's share.

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15 billion for a wall..Or continue to have $100+ billion a year drained by IllegalsTough choice.

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15 billion for a wall..Or continue to have $100+ billion a year drained by IllegalsTough choice.

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^^^^^^^^^^ thinks money going to illegals is result of Mexico/US border ^^^^^^^^^


Did you know, for 15 billion you could hire seven thousand border personnel at 50k/year for forty years? Of course not, as the poster above suggested math isn't one of your strengths.

Oh, and you're a troll





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Did you know, for 15 billion you could hire seven thousand border personnel at 50k/year for forty years? Of course not, as the poster above suggested math isn't one of your strengths.

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You won.

Formerly known as QuiietDaze

That's why Trump's administration has threatened in the past that they'll force Mexico to pay for it with a 20% tariff. Because they'll be "saving us $100+ billion a year" that would be otherwise "drained" by illegals.

But good thing imdb poster Umakemyheadswim is such an expert on the subject. And an unbiased observer as well, according to this thread.

LOL!

Just like we pay a portion to pay for illegals, we can pay a portion for the wall too.




Keep Islam out of the West

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we can pay a portion for the wall too.

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Uh, except that wasn't the deal. The "deal" was that Mexico was paying for the wall, period. No exceptions.

And so they will.

Stop listening to liberal fake news.



Keep Islam out of the West

Please tell us how Mexico is going to pay for the wall to fulfill the deal voters were promised.

This should be fun.

Trump must've explained it a thousand times you thick skulls.

Tariffs.




Keep Islam out of the West

Except the 20% tariff 'solution' has already been debunked. Mexico will counter with tariffs of their own dollar for dollar, which will not only negate Mexico's funding of the wall, but will also adversely impact the US economy causing far greater damage than just the price of the wall.

The US would be much better off funding it ourselves and avoiding the tariff war altogether but that's not what we were promised, so that puts us back at square one: How do we force Mexico to pay for the wall???

This analysis, which I've heard many times, ignores the likelihood that the United States would replace its current trade with Mexico with additional trade from other, less hostile countries, in which case the impact on the United States economy could prove almost negligible.

"almost neglible"

And yet, your counter-argument completely ignores the logistics, time, and money it would take to move manufacturing from Mexico to other countries. Some businesses may react quickly to cut their losses, some may not, while others will get hit hard no matter what. This is why "almost negligible" does not conform with reality. You point out that there may be less hostile countries to deal with, but again, you conviently left out other posibilities like how other countries may actually block US exports out of retaliation for what many consider unfair trade practices. This is far more complicated than you understand. As a history lesson, the US is still getting stiffed over the tariff war we had with Canada ages ago. Look up the Smoot-Hawley Act.

Mexico gets more money in remittances from workers living abroad than it does from total oil exports, to the tune of about $24 billion a year (mostly from America).

All Trump has to do is work with Congress to get a large tax levied for all remittances leaving America going to Mexico. Once this hits Mexico hard, they will fold faster than Superman doing laundry. They can decide between losing up to $24 billion a year in free money coming from abroad, or take the $13 billion one time expense and pay for the wall.

And in governmental accounting, it's not that unusual at all to pay for something upfront and then seek out reimbursement after all the costs have been captured.

OK, now we're getting somewhere. We need a method to actually GAIN money, not lose money (tariffs) and this strategy would likely do just that.

However, this wire transfer tax wouldn't come close to paying for the wall on it's own. You appear to be fairly knowledgeable on the subject, so you should know why it won't pay for the wall, or would you like me to explain it for you?

Sure explain it.

Ok Jason. Let's say we go ahead and tax all wire transfers made by illegals back to Mexico. Do illegals counter that move by holding on to their money, by continuing to use wire transfers, or would they seek alternative methods to send the money back in order to avoid the tax altogether?

I def agree with you on that.

My guess is they would start mailing physical cash back to Mexico in order to keep everything off the books. But like you said, for every action there is a reaction.

If the majority of mail going from America to Mexico starts becoming loaded with untraceable cash, then it will be stolen before it ever gets to the intended recipients. Not to mention wads of cash are fairly easy to detect through envelopes.

Maybe there are other less traceable ways moving money around such as Bitcoin, but I question its accessibility. Especially for Mexican families who would be receiving it to use in their day-to-day expenses, how do they then turn that into cash at the local market?

I honestly don't think Trump would have to actually enact any sort of remittance tax, he just needs to show Mexico that he can do it and has the support of Congress. The 4-8 year economic hit to Mexico would cost more than the one time wall expense.

Bam! Well done. You're right many would attempt to snail mail the cash since that's the first thing they'd think of. Bitcoin would be more dependable, but as you said it's not going to be accessible for most except through a third party.

A few other circumvention methods

- Gift Cards, which can be sent via email
- Banks
- Credit Unions
- American relatives\friends

In addition, those who use fraudulent documentation may be able to bypass the wire tax altogether.

Personally, I'm OK with a wall as long as it doesn't add to our national debt, which is about to hit a depressing milestone this year $20 trillion. I just want President Trump to keep his word that Mexico will pay for the wall, not us.

Many countries already have a manufacturing base, so American companies buying from Mexico may be able to switch fairly quickly to other foreign or local sellers. To hear you talk, you'd think it was Mexico that invented nuclear weapons and sent a man to the moon.

You seem to be assuming that Trump will play hardball with all foreign countries to the same degree, but he's sharp enough to reward friends and sideline enemies.

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As a history lesson, the US is still getting stiffed over the tariff war we had with Canada ages ago.

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What are you talking about? Even Trump doesn't appear to have any major problems with trade with Canada.

Building\retrofitting manufacturing plants takes time, resources, and money. The expense would not be "almost negligible" nor would the process be "fairly quick." I believe I put it best when I said, "Some businesses may react quickly to cut their losses, some may not, while others will get hit hard no matter what." This is the politically unbiased scenario that makes the most sense. It's not necessarily a dire situation for all businesses, but it's also not the exaggerated peaches and cream scenario you're painting. It's somewhere in the middle where the US takes a considerable hit in the wallet, which is why the tariffs will-not-work. The only scenario I'm aware of where the US can realistically come out ahead is the remittance tax proposed by Jason_23.

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What are you talking about? Even Trump doesn't appear to have any major problems with trade with Canada.

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If you knew anything about the tariff war the US started with Canada, you wouldn't be asking why I brought it up. It's self explanatory.

Your understanding of business seems simplistic at best. Just because a company changes its suppliers doesn't imply that its costs must go up.

Perhaps this analogy may help. Suppose Chipotle has been engaging in sleazy business practises, such as inserting "undocumented ingredients" into its food. Its customers are disgusted and start going to Taco Bell instead. This hurts Chipotle, not its former customers.

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If you knew anything about the tariff war the US started with Canada, you wouldn't be asking why I brought it up. It's self explanatory.

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For the moment, it's just a lot of hot air. I remember when Obama, Hillary, and Canada's Jean Chretien were going to renegotiate NAFTA, but that never came to anything.

Jason_23's proposal makes some sense; yours does not. It's obvious from your remarks that you haven't thought any of this through. Again, look up the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. Learn something about tariff wars before preaching how simple they are to pull off.

You don't seem to be listening to what I'm saying. I haven't actually made a proposal. I've only been pointing out why a trade war with Mexico need not be ruinous for the United States; I'm not advocating a trade war.

Indeed, I worded that part wrong.

Let's be honest here the tariff threat may be nothing more than tough talk to use as leverage in future trade negotiations. Trump sees himself as a tough negotiator and this fits perfectly with that image.

Who *beep* cares what those creds in Mexico want. All they contribute to America is disease, drugs and crime. Send everyone of those stinking illegals back south and let Mexico pay for their welfare.



Feministas praising Sharia law are like Jews praising Nazism.

You should stay watching CNN and away from the real world.

Are you OK with paying 20% more for Mexican goods to pay for the wall?


Don't blame me, I voted for Hillary.

There's nothing they sell here that can't be provided by Americans. No one has to buy 'Mexican goods'.




Keep Islam out of the West

Are you sure? Could Americans make ugly ponchos as well as Mexicans?

I think NOT!

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There's nothing they sell here that can't be provided by Americans. No one has to buy 'Mexican goods'.

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What about Dos Equis beer?


Don't blame me, I voted for Hillary.

The amount of money Mexico makes off imports to the US, they could pay the entire wall off in just a week or two of sales taxes.

"They" won't be paying for it. We will. However, it will provide employment for dozens of illegal Mexican and Central American immigrants for years to come. Hey, maybe Trump can bring back the Bracero program.



Don't blame me, I voted for Hillary.

Welcome to the sane side.

"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." Judge Judy
Keep free speech and free thought alive!

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But now that we know for certain mexico was funding illegals to come here and they are throwing tantrums and protests in mexico like its their divine right to throw their trash on our border I hope trump builds a giant wall. I hope its electrified and we also place mines all around it do they cant even touch it.

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Boy. You really blow hot or cold. 180 degrees of wrong is still wrong.



The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it.
- Ayn Rand

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But now that we know for certain mexico was funding illegals to come here

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If you say so, nutcase.

Bump. Butt hurt libtards [LAUGH]



15 billion for the wall

100 billion a year on illegals..

With an electric barrier (such as a fence) and land mines, a WALL would be pretty much moot.

In fact, a "wall" is a pretty stupid idea. Of course, look at the source. Mr. used-illegals-to-build-his-tower, himself.

I would be for fortifying our border, but people won't stand for the kind of deadly measures it would take to make an effective border defense. Which would include armed drones and the occasional sniper perch, btw.

A wall won't help anything.

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If your taxs go very high for that wall, don't bitch and moan about it.

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But now that we know for certain mexico was funding illegals to come here and they are throwing tantrums and protests in mexico like its their divine right to throw their trash on our border I hope trump builds a giant wall. I hope its electrified and we also place mines all around it do they cant even touch it.

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The alligator moat would be too costly to maintain. But guard towers at high crossing areas, manned with 50 cal. machine gunners are a must.

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them." Solzhenitsyn