Politics : How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

1. Cut all aid to Israel until they agree to a two state solution and recognise Palestine as an independent country.

2. Cut all aid to the Palestinians until they recognise Israel and introduce a truly democratic regime.

3. Divide Jerusalem in the same way as Berlin was separated during the Cold War with an international police force to patrol it.

4. Give compensation to the dispossessed Palestinian refugees in return for giving up their right to return.

5. Sponsor the democratic forces from the West Bank to retake Gaza from Hamas and have Jordan return its' territory.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

There is no "Israeli/Palestinian issue". Jihadi violence against Jews in Israel and elsewhere is just a tiny part of a great problem and religious fanatics murdering people in the name of Allah in Jerusalem are exactly the same as religious fanatics murdering people in the name of Allah in Berlin, Paris and New York.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

What about Israel giving back all the land it stole in 1967?


They're all dead Dave

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?


What about Israel giving back all the land it stole in 1967?


Stole is an emotive term, to the victor the spoils but yes, have them trade land for peace. But this time REAL peace, not giving Palestinians land and then sheltering in your bunker from their rockets.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Stole is the correct term.

There are great wrongs on both sides and unless both are addressed then there will never be peace.


They're all dead Dave

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

There is Israel, which simply wants to live.

There are Arabs, who want to destroy Israel.

As long as that is true then there is no solution, only defense.





Leftist philosophy and policies deny both human nature and reality

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"There is Israel, which simply wants to live."

No, there is Isreal which wishes to keep everything it ever stole, and keep the Palestinians completely neutered and under their thumb.

'Go get an education, learn to talk you first language, lerarn to spell countries names' nidii-76417

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Someday the Arabs may abandon their obsession with genocide and begin to build decent societies, representative governments and functioning economies. That day isn't today and it probably won't be tomorrow. But it will be a great day for them if they do.






Leftist philosophy and policies deny both human nature and reality

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Israel didn't steal anything.

However, the Palestinians have tried to steal our intellectual and emotional property by claiming to be an ancient people longing for their homeland (which is what the Jewish people are but the Palestinians are not).

They didn't name themselves "Palestinians" until the 1960s to put on this charade.

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Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

What did they call themselves beforehand?

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"What did they call themselves beforehand?"


Palestinian nationalism is a 20th century movement. Prior to that, the Arabs of (what the West called) Palestine considered themselves to be Arabs, Syrians, or members of smaller tribes and clans.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"No, there is Isreal which wishes to keep everything it ever stole, and keep the Palestinians completely neutered and under their thumb."


Capturing land in the process of fighting against aggression is not theft.

And if Israel wants to "keep the Palestinians completely neutered and under their thumb", it never would have withdrawn from Gaza.


Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"Stole is the correct term."


You can repeat that a thousand times and it still will not make it true. Capturing land in the process of fighting against aggression is not theft.



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Stole is an emotive term, to the victor the spoils
No the world has made expantion by conquest illeagal you cannot simply conquar and claim land as your own any more. Stole is the correct term.



There's no point of being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes.

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No the world has made expantion by conquest illeagal you cannot simply conquar and claim land as your own any more.
This is how Jordan and Egypt got hold of Judea, Samaria and Gaza.

The land belongs to Israel.

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Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Stole is the correct term, one of my good friends is a jew and we debate religion alot as Im atheist. He even says while laughing that the borders were drawn up and lines made then at the last minute Israel STOLE more land. So its widely known they are in the wrong here and have been for decades.

If someone hates you for no reason, give that jerk a reason :)

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

You're talking bullsh!t. There have never been borders here between the Sea and Judea-Samaria.

THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN CEASE FIRE LINES!!!!

Israel owns all the land anyway (from the Jordan River to the Sea).

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Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"Stole is the correct term"


Wrong. Capturing land in the process of fighting against aggression is not theft.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Stole is the correct term. The Israelis are money-hungry thieves and all settlers should be executed.
Some are living in Jordanian territory for Pete's sake. Gas them out.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"The Israelis are money-hungry thieves and all settlers should be executed . . . Gas them out."


At least you are demonstrating that the Israel-bashers are filled with a murderous hatred.

Funny how people on the left, who make fun of religion, have the kind of self-righteous hatred that one would associate with the Grand Inquisitor.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

First of all, military conquest is not stealing and I don't see anyone else parting with theirs. So why should we?

And, to my knowledge, neither Jordan nor Egypt have any designs on these territories.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

If something that belongs to someone else is forcably taken then that is stealing. You might dislike the term, but it is correct.


They're all dead Dave

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Well, Jordan and Egypt "stole" the same lands in 1948 and in 1967 we mostly "stole" them back because there were quite a few Jewish villages and towns in Judea under Turks/Brits? which had to be abandoned when the Arab armies invaded.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

A French court has ruled (in a lawsuit brought by the Palestinians against a French company that helped build Jerusalem's light rail that extends beyond the green line) that Israel is the only entity with any claims to the land in Judea and Samaria.

The Palestinians have no claims whatsoever.

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Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"If something that belongs to someone else is forcably taken then that is stealing."


Unless the party that forcibly took the property only did so because they other party had initiated aggression.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"First of all, military conquest is not stealing and I don't see anyone else parting with theirs. So why should we? First of all, military conquest is not stealing and I don't see anyone else parting with theirs. So why should we?"

Yes it is stealing, just lie the Nazis when they rolled into Poland. It is less intense, but equally deplorable, perhaps moreso because it is a slow, calculated movement of Jews into Jordan and Palestine. That is why the Jews should be gassed out. They steal land; they die. All of them, including the children. Especially the children. Bullets would be wasted on such trash.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Hey, sh!thead, Poland didn't attack Germany, it was the other way around. You better gas your offsprings and after that, put a bullet in your full of horse sh!t head. That way, none of your kind would pollute anymore this world with their idiocy.

"I don't understand why they can't just ban nidii Just so annoying" - Grey-Phantom

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"Yes it is stealing, just like the Nazis when they rolled into Poland."


Rubbish. The Nazis started WWII by launching an unprovoked invasion of Poland. In contrast, both the 1947-1949 and the 1967 wars, in which Israel captured territory, were started by the Arabs.





"That is why the Jews should be gassed out. They steal land; they die. All of them, including the children. Especially the children."


This is the problem in a nutshell: Nazi-style hatred. I myself oppose the settlements, but I would never engage in the kind of murderous hatred that you do.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

"What about Israel giving back all the land it stole in 1967?"


Capturing land in the process of fighting against aggression is not theft.

Israel did withdraw from Gaza. The result was a Hamas-ruled rocket base. Israel will not make the same mistake twice. Before Israel withdraws from the West Bank, it needs to know the same thing will not happen there. So if you want such a withdrawal, you ought to urge the Palestinians to change their ways and put an end to their culture of death.


Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Move Israel and the jews and anything of religious significance to Tasmania. Drone strike all the infrastructure left behind, and give the land to Palestine. Relocate Tasmanians to the Australian mainland.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?


Move Israel and the jews and anything of religious significance to Tasmania. Drone strike all the infrastructure left behind, and give the land to Palestine. Relocate Tasmanians to the Australian mainland.
This suggestion can only be considered if you move to the Moon first.

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Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

I'd make Palestine part of Israel. The inhabitants of what was Palestine could then either renounce Muhammad or be driven into the sea.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Yeah, people went to Israel to escape people like you.

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Yeah, people went to Israel to escape people like you.
Well, as least I'm conditional about it. I'm not going to hold the identities of somebody's ancestors against him/her, only the absurd, vile, draconian, pedophilic and misogynist behaviors he/she has. It's a very simple ultimatum.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Give both Jews and Muslims a common enemy concerning the area.

Give advanced warning, help those who need help evacuating the Gaza area assistance in moving, then perform a nuclear strike on the area.

Irradiate it so badly that it will be long after Allah and Yaweh have died of old age before anyone can ever step foot in the area again.

Stupid Jews and Muslims.

Problem solved.



Next question please.








You've got to go through Hell before you get to Heaven.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Very easily. Space mission to the asteroid field between Mars and Jupiter. Attach rocket boost to asteroid slightly smaller than the KT asteroid. Drive it directly into Jerusalem at 30,000 miles per hour, with the impact crater burying the entire Levant under the Mediterranean Sea. Floods take care of whatever was missed, filling in the entire area up including the Dead Sea.

Problem solved. Can't have wars over land that isn't there anymore.

A vote for a third party candidate in the US is a vote to let everyone else decide for you

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?


Very easily. Space mission to the asteroid field between Mars and Jupiter. Attach rocket boost to asteroid slightly smaller than the KT asteroid. Drive it directly into Jerusalem at 30,000 miles per hour, with the impact crater burying the entire Levant under the Mediterranean Sea. Floods take care of whatever was missed, filling in the entire area up including the Dead Sea.

Problem solved. Can't have wars over land that isn't there anymore.




Whatta bout all the innoccent Jewish fishies!

Formerly Self-Appointed_Digby_Scout

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

I always defer to the Bunty Hoven (nobody will get that obscure reference ) proposal for resolving the problems in the Middle East: just have a big war, winner takes all.

Sorted!

Failing that the Dave Nice (another obscure reference next to nobody will get) 'stratagem' is worth considering too of which calls for all the rival/warring Middle East nations to get round a table and resolve their issues. with a big pop quiz: 'Mr Netanyahu, what according to The Buggles killed the radio star?'. 'Is Video your final answer?'. 'Congratulations you've just won the Gaza Strip!', etc.

Perversely, both of the above rather flippant suggestions are probably a darn sight more constructive than some supposedly serious proposals floating about one suspects..

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Harry Hill fan, are you?


They're all dead Dave

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

I was swanning around the high street yesterday when I goosed a young lady and then ducked into a shop doorway and I thought to myself "What is it about aquatic fowl that lends them so to verbs?"

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Winner takes all war sounds workable, but I fear any Islamic victor will be emboldened to take more land, as well as eventually divide from within - creating fresh conflicts. Islam thrives, indeed depends on, conflict.

A better solution may be colonisation from the West. Basically Iraq with the staying around to actually implement democracy, and perhaps stick around for a century to make sure capitalism and secularism are completely embedded.

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Allow all Palestinians to relocate to sanctuary California. From a safe place, they can decide to either attack and destroy Israel, or stay and help build the country of New Palifornexico. Common sense would be to leave a token force in New Pali and fully overrun Israel. A two state solution. Pacific coast and Mediterranean coast. Otherwise I believe the dream of a Palestine will never exist. Palestinian men in Gaza and the West Bank are at wits end and frustrated. Overheard 'Of course I splashed acid in her eyes, but my younger daughters continue to read. Acid is too expensive here'. Good luck Cali

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

What you're suggesting would increase the war to something worse than the area has seen so far, and Israel would win.

A lot of people would die, though.

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1. Cut all aid to Israel until they agree to a two state solution and recognise Palestine as an independent country.
Wouldn't change anything.

2. Cut all aid to the Palestinians until they recognise Israel and introduce a truly democratic regime.
The Palestinian Authority would fall and give everything to Israel with demands that Israel take care of them and give them citizenship. Israel won't give them all citizenship, so a war would start. Israel would win.

3. Divide Jerusalem in the same way as Berlin was separated during the Cold War with an international police force to patrol it.
Israel would refuse to do this. The Palestinian terrorists don't all need U.S. funding so they would start a war. Israel would win.

4. Give compensation to the dispossessed Palestinian refugees in return for giving up their right to return.
They would refuse and insist on moving into Israel, so a war would start. Israel would win.

5. Sponsor the democratic forces from the West Bank to retake Gaza from Hamas and have Jordan return its' territory.
What democratic forces? They haven't had a presidential election in 12 years. They haven't had a legislative election in 11 years. If the terror groups get going, however, there will be a war. Israel would win.

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Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

1. Have you any idea of the scale of US aid to Israel?
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html Really that's the only carrot and stick that can be used on Israel, they're so militarily dominant and with terrorist attacks at such a low level they have no other incentive to compromise.

2. The Palestinian authority would compromise to save itself. Yes, they're not a democracy so this would force them into it.

3. Israel and the Palestinians would be forced to compromise and share Jerusalem or have their aid slashed.

4. Those who originally owned the land have largely died out and their descendants might be a lot more amenable. That's one of the reasons we had the Shamrock Awakening in Ireland, many of the old-IRA terrorists and their sons in the South's parliament died out (or were toppled in the scandals surrounding the financial crisis).

Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

I live in Israel - you know nothing about what's going on here. You're an idiot.

1. Have you any idea of the scale of US aid to Israel?
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html Really that's the only carrot and stick that can be used on Israel, they're so militarily dominant and with terrorist attacks at such a low level they have no other incentive to compromise.
Israel doesn't need the aid. It's only given because no one will let the war with the terrorists end. If Israel doesn't have the aid, then Israel will end the war by defeating the terrorists (especially the PLO and Hamas).

2. The Palestinian authority would compromise to save itself. Yes, they're not a democracy so this would force them into it.
The Palestinian Authority routinely threatens to dissolve itself and hand everything over to Israel so that they can demand citizenship in Israel. This way, they could vote Israel into an Islamic state. This is their real goal in all this. They don't want a puny little state that doesn't include all of Israel in it. Look at ALL their logos. ALL their logos for their "state" include ALL of Israel in them.

3. Israel and the Palestinians would be forced to compromise and share Jerusalem or have their aid slashed.
Neither side needs the aid. There would be a war if this is pushed. Israel would win.

4. Those who originally owned the land have largely died out and their descendants might be a lot more amenable. That's one of the reasons we had the Shamrock Awakening in Ireland, many of the old-IRA terrorists and their sons in the South's parliament died out (or were toppled in the scandals surrounding the financial crisis).
Palestinians are claiming ownership as a people. They have no basis for it. If they insist on this, there will be a bigger war. Israel will win.

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Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

Yes, we all know Israel will easily win any war but that's not the point, the idea is to stop war without end and introduce a lasting peace.

1. Israel does need the aid and would be up the creek without it, it is the one lever the West has to use.

2. The Palestinian authority would go for it if it genuinely believed it was going to benefit. Without foreign aid they'd starve.

3. Ireland was the same but that generation is almost gone, hence why you can have compromise.

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Yes, we all know Israel will easily win any war but that's not the point, the idea is to stop war without end and introduce a lasting peace.
The Palestinian terror groups need to be gone. This is the only way to a lasting peace.


1. Israel does need the aid and would be up the creek without it, it is the one lever the West has to use.
Bullsh!t. If Israel doesn't get the military aid, then Israel will vanquish the Palestinian terror groups that cost Israel so much money to be at war against decade after decade.

ISRAEL GDP IS ALMOST $300 BILLION (PER YEAR).

2. The Palestinian authority would go for it if it genuinely believed it was going to benefit. Without foreign aid they'd starve.
The Palestinian Authority threatens to disband and hand the land over to Israel. Then they would demand Israeli citizenship to vote Israel into an Arab Muslim state that would join the Arab League. This would result in a war and Israel would win.

3. Ireland was the same but that generation is almost gone, hence why you can have compromise.
That war was Christians versus Christians.

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Re: How would you solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

So you'll vanquish the enemy without military aid when you couldn't do it with it?

Yes and as well as aid the US is Israel's biggest trading partner, it could put the squeeze on you if it wished.

Yes, Ireland's conflict was the last gasp of the European reformation but the principle holds true, we allowed Irish Nationalists their legitimate aims whilst militarily defeating their terrorists.

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So you'll vanquish the enemy without military aid when you couldn't do it with it?
We haven't been ALLOWED to vanquish them. We've only been allowed (with aid) to survive.

Yes and as well as aid the US is Israel's biggest trading partner, it could put the squeeze on you if it wished.
Considering that Republicans and Democrats both support Israel, I wouldn't hold my breath for this, if I were you.

If they did do this, Israel has other trading partners.

Yes, Ireland's conflict was the last gasp of the European reformation but the principle holds true, we allowed Irish Nationalists their legitimate aims whilst militarily defeating their terrorists.
Irish Nationalists wanted one Ireland. Do they have it? No.

Christians versus Christians is child's play when compared to Jews versus Muslims.

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