Politics : Obama's birth certificate: Why did it matter?

So much resistance to such a simple request.

*beep*



Reap what you sow

Did we ask to see the birth certificate of other presidents?

I don't recall people clamoring to see Ronnie's or W's.

How about Donnie's?

Why the black guy?

Held to a different standard?

Fascists decide that you are a criminal, then they find the crime

Other Presidential candidates.like McCain and Cruz. The NYT brought up McCain's birth certificate on the front page. Hmmm.McCains Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out.

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Re: Obama's birth certificate: Why did it matter?
by frank-tj-mackey » 4 hours ago (Sat Feb 11 2017 09:00:09)
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Other Presidential candidates.like McCain and Cruz. The NYT brought up McCain's birth certificate on the front page. Hmmm.McCains Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out

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McCain, having been born in the Panama Canal Zone, if elected would have become the first president who was born outside the current 50 states. This raised a potential legal issue, since the United States Constitution requires the president to be a natural-born citizen of the United States. A bipartisan legal review, and a unanimous but non-binding Senate resolution, both concluded that he is a natural-born citizen.

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Didn't congress pass a law stating McCain could run?
And considering it wasn't an issue in the 2000 race, isn't it likely McCain & Cruz both got raked over the coals because of the drama about Obama's?

Romney's daddy ran in 1968 & he was born in Mexico.


Wanna debate that one?

Prove any birth certificate fuss isn't because of the black guy.


Fascists decide that you are a criminal, then they find the crime

1. McCain ran for President in 1999 as well. FYI, The Senate passed a resolution in 2008, not a law.

2. Romney was born to two US citizens abroad. But if Romney was unqualified, it's irrelevant. He shouldn't have been allowed to run.

3. Obama's birth certificate drama was created by Hillary's campaign staff and her supporters. IIRC, hillbuzz (http://hillbuzz.org/obama-birth-certificate-mystery-nearing-solution) and texasdarlin lead the charge for Hillary online. They were also PUMAs.

4. Happy to debate, but won't waste time trying to prove a negative. It's disingenuous at best to ask someone to prove a negative.

One thing I'm curious about -

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But if Romney was unqualified, it's irrelevant. He shouldn't have been allowed to run.

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Okay, but what agency/group would block him? Just curious who specifically resolves such issues.

Jake Meridius Conhale, at your service!
"Old Man" of the BSG (RDM) boards.

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Why the black guy?

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Birfers weren't all racists. Some were just morons.

Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it.

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Why the black guy?

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You word it that to imply birthers were racists. Most were not.

There was a rumor, partly propagated by the Clinton 2008 campaign, that Obama was born elsewhere and that his birthright citizenship and therefore his qualification as president, was questionable.

Like 9/11 and other conspiracy theories, they ignored facts and twisted their logic to get to their desired conclusion.

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You word it that to imply birthers were racists. Most were not.

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I've no idea if most birthers are racist or notbut yeah, why the black guy?nonetheless, a lot of Republicans (the miserable right wingers) have a vicious history of doing just about anything to ruin the opposition party. They went after Clinton on day one trying to bring him down not on the issues but who he slept with. Clinton was a moderate and most Americans had no problem with his barely liberal policies. But the righties couldn't cotton that. He had to go and after millions of taxpayers dollars wasted, Slick Willie prevailed.

Then came Obama. He's another barely liberal, but to hear the right, he's a Black Panther radical wrapped in a radical Muslim keffiyeh inside the Sayings of Chairman Mao. But since Obama is relatively scandal free, they went after his American identity and his right as a citizen to be President.

And now they have one of their very own in the White House, the man of their wet dreams, and they are still bitchin and moaning about the libruls. They're still miserable even though they managed to X out that "bitch" who is married to Clinton, but they can't shake the memory of Barry. The whole past eight years must be invalided.

kinda like a tax return?

May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

Or emails.

but, but, Hillary

May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

but, but, Trump

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but, but, Trump

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Yes indeed!!! You do know Trump is the president now, don't cha?

Where's the tex return? Where's the respect for the American constitution?



May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

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Where's the respect for the American constitution?

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Please provide an example how Trump has, as yet, disrespected the Constitution. His TEMPORARY "ban" on Muslims falls within his powers as authorized by the Constitution. See: 8 U.S.C. §1182(f of the Constitution to confirm this. Once he drops visa and green card holders from his order there will be no question that he is acting within his authority. Admittedly, he too hastily rolled out the order before making it absolutely certain it was bullet-proof. With minor tweaking, it will be.

Any other examples of how Trump has violated the Constitution? We're waiting. . . .

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Please provide an example how Trump has, as yet, disrespected the Constitution.

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refusing to divest from his companies

May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

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Please provide an example how Trump has, as yet, disrespected the Constitution.

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When the judiciary said hie executive order breached the constitution he could have said "excellent work. In line with separation of powers I have over reached and a judge made sure I didn't do anything illegal".
Instead he insulted the judge, threatened him and claimed he knew better than the judiciary.

Disrespect?


Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable

And?

Releasing a tex (sic) return is a Constitutional issue?

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Releasing a tex (sic) return is a Constitutional issue?

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No one said that son, you're confused.

want to address the business conflict issue? or just stay an apologist?

May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

Sure looks that way.

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Where's the tex return? Where's the respect for the American constitution?

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I'm an apologist because you diverted the thread away from Obama's birth certificate to Trump?

Ok, I'll bite, what specific Constitutional clause or amendment is Trump currently violating? Please provide proof.

I answered about 3 posts up. You're getting tiresome.

May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

You tire easily, maybe it's time for a nap.

You answered specifically which Constitutional clause or amendment Trump is currently violating? Please detail it

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which Constitutional clause

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Second

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Please detail it

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Need me to tie your laces too?

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You tire easily, maybe it's time for a nap.

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I'm certainly tired of you. I'm sure most would prefer a nap to your rhetoric.


May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

Article 2? The Second Amendment?

No need to tie any laces, just provide some proof, any proof.

Rhetoric is asking you basic questions that you refuse to or can't answer? Ok

Yep, I think a nap is in order.

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refuse to or can't answer

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Look up Emolument barrister.

Send me your homework. I'll do that for you too.



May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

So The Emoluments Clause is the Second Clause or Article II or the Second Amendment?

How specifically has Trump violated the Emoluments Clause?

Sheeeesh

I can't fix stupid or obstinate, You're one or the other.

I'm just foolish, because I played you simple game. Go elsewhere for attention.

May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

So you can't answer the question and don't know the relevant section of the Constitutiongot it.

Sorry I don't take orders from fools. Get that, and move on sonny.

I know I'm right and I know you won't admit it.

May you receive all that Karma has to offer.

How are you right exactly?

Does anybody actually take seriously somebody who uses terms like "Obongo"?

Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it.

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More lies by you.

I never said he released his (genuine/actual/real) BC during the election. I said he released some forgery.

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I never claimed you said "he released his (genuine/actual/real) BC during the election". As you quoted from my post, I said, "At least you're no longer lying and claiming he didn't release anything during the campaign." (emphasis added)
Why do you bother lying if you're going to offer proof your lying in the very same post? I understand that in your uninformed, unsubstantiated, and obviously biased opinion that it's a forgery. It isn't. Reality doesn't change just because you don't agree with it.

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I never said he released his (genuine/real/actual) BC in the campaign. I said it was a forgery.

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Again, I've never claimed you said, "he released his (genuine/real/actual) BC in the campaign". Is there something wrong with you that you feel the need to make your lies so obvious?

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Already said why.

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Actually, what you did was lie and say every presidential candidate except President Obama released their birth certificates when they announced their candidacy.

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Yes, he is a muslim.

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He isn't and it's irrelevant anyway.

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Do you have a link to a source that categorically proves he isn't?

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It's your claim that he is. The burden of proof is on you.
And you still haven't answered where it is you believe President Obama was born.

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I never claimed you said "he released his (genuine/actual/real) BC during the election". As you quoted from my post, I said, "At least you're no longer lying and claiming he didn't release anything during the campaign." (emphasis added)

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That is complete gibberish. You are just playing double talk games with me. You said I admitted he released his BC during the campaign. No, I did not admit to that. You're just double talking here.

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Why do you bother lying if you're going to offer proof your lying in the very same post? I understand that in your uninformed, unsubstantiated, and obviously biased opinion that it's a forgery. It isn't. Reality doesn't change just because you don't agree with it.

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More bullshyte from you. It is you who has lied here. Not me.

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Actually, what you did was lie and say every presidential candidate except President Obama released their birth certificates when they announced their candidacy.

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Actually, you lied about the Hawaii Sec State being a Repub. It was a Democrat. Liar.

He is a muslim. I don't have to say where I think he was born. It is he who has to show were he was born. And he hasn't. He just claims he was born in Hawaii. Hawaii Democrats are covering up for him.

Burden of proof??? Burden of proof of natural born US citizenship is on Obongo. He hasn't proven it. Just claimed it. We want to see, with our own eyes, his supposed/alleged BC in Hawaii.

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You said I admitted he released his BC during the campaign. No, I did not admit to that.

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My exact words were, "At least you're no longer lying and claiming he didn't release anything during the campaign." You'll note that nowhere in that statement do I claim you "admitted he released his BC during the campaign".
You'd think as much practice as you seem to have at lying you'd be better at it.

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Actually, you lied about the Hawaii Sec State being a Repub. It was a Democrat. Liar.

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I've already cleared that up. What I posted was, "I was mistaken. It wasn't the Secretary of State, it was the director of Hawaii's Department of Health who took with her the state official in charge of vital records. This was done at the request of the Republican Governor of Hawaii, a Republican who supported Senator John McCain for president." (http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000082/nest/265957429?p=2&d=266023824#266023824)
It turns out, by the way, that Hawaii doesn't have a Secretary of State. I'm not sure where you got the idea someone who doesn't exist was a democrat.

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He is a muslim.

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Nope. Feel free to prove it.

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I don't have to say where I think he was born.

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Are you too ashamed to say where you think he was born?

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It is he who has to show were he was born. And he hasn't. He just claims he was born in Hawaii.

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Actually, he has. During the campaign he produced his official birth certificate. After years of people like you whining about it, he asked the state of Hawaii to release a copy of the long form version of his birth certificate, which they did. Then there's the birth announcements in two different Honolulu newspapers, two state officials who physically verified the exist of his original birth certificate, and absolutely no record of his mother leaving the United States before he was born.

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You lied about the Hawaii Sec State. Democrat, not Republican. It is you who has been doing the lying.

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As I've already pointed out, Hawaii doesn't have a Secretary of State. Which means you're lying when you claim that person is a Democrat.

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More word shenanigans. You clearly meant that I admitted he released a bona fide, genuine, long form BC during the campaign.

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What I clearly said was, "you're no longer lying and claiming he didn't release anything during the campaign." Since you know that's true you've decided to lie and claims it means something different.
As President Trump would say, "Sad."

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I won't put with too much more of that.

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Does that mean you're getting ready to run away in shame?

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Not my responsibility.

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Of all the things you could be ashamed of, being ashamed of where you think President Obama was born seems to be an odd choice.

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He is supposed to prove beyond doubt where and to whom he was born.

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I'd ask you why him and no other President, but we both know you'll just run away like a scared little child. So I'll just point out that he did prove beyond doubt where he was born. I'm curious as to why you're suddenly adding "to whom". Do you really think that's in dispute or that it matters?

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His claims are not proof.

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No, the official Hawaiian birth certificate he produced during the campaign is proof. So is the more detailed, unofficial Hawaiian birth certificate Hawaii released while he was President. So are the birth announcements from 1961 in two Honolulu newspapers. So are the two Hawaiian state officials who physically confirmed that his birth certificate was in their archives.

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Nope. That didn't happen. He did not produce official birth certificate during the campaign.

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It certainly did. There were plenty of news accounts of it happening at the time.

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Otherwise, he wouldn't have held that press conference in which he said he would finally publicize his BC.

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The long form birth certificate isn't the official Hawaiian birth certificate. He asked it to be released because people like you didn't believe the official birth certificate. Of course, he didn't realize that nothing was ever going to convince people like you that he was born in Hawaii.

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You're babbling again. That's just more lies you tell.

You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. Liar.

Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it.

He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011.

He brought all this suspicion on himself.

No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you.

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You did say Hawaii had a Sec State.

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And when I realized my mistake, I admitted it and corrected it. You, on the other hand, insisted that a person I'd already pointed out didn't exist was a Democrat. That makes you a liar. And not a very good one.

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Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it.

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He did more than just claim it. As I pointed out already, he proved it when he released his official birth certificate during the campaign.

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He didn't release any BC during the campaign.

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Of course he did.
Here's a link to the LA Times referencing his releasing it in 2008 along with a picture of it.
http://documents.latimes.com/barack-obama-short-form-birth-certificate/
Here's a report from The Christian Science Monitor.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0427/Obama-birth-certificate-released-Donald-Trump-claims-credit
Let me paste the most pertinent information for you.
The president said he had watched the discussion about his citizenship for the last 2 and a half years with bemusement, and that he felt the issue had been put to rest by media investigations and signed affidavits by Hawaiian officials, including Republicans, who had seen the original long-form document. Long ago, Obama released the short-form Hawaiian certificate of live birth.
(emphasis added)

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No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you.

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Does that mean you're going to run away and hide in shame?
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You didn't understand the first time.

You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. Liar.

Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims.

He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011.

He brought all this suspicion on himself.

No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you. And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see what a fool you are making of yourself, that I am pointing out.

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You did say Hawaii had a Sec State.

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And, as I've already pointed out, I corrected my mistake when I realized I had made one. It's called being an adult.
Don't worry, no one will ever accuse you of being an adult.
I even pointed out there isn't a Hawaiian Secretary of State. Even after I pointed out there was no such person, you insisted that person was a democrat. It's no wonder you get caught lying so easily.

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Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it.

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And provided his official birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. Then there's the birth announcements from 1961 in two Honolulu newspapers. And the sworn affidavits from members of the Hawaiian state government.

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He didn't release any BC during the campaign.

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Of course he did. I've provided stories from different sources proving he did, as well as photos of the birth certificate he released.

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Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011.

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You mean the one he held because people like you refused to accept the official birth certificate he had released in 2008, the sworn affidavits of state officials, and the birth announcements from two different Honolulu newspapers?

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And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see what a fool you are making of yourself, that I am pointing out.

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I've never reported any of your posts. Not only that, I've quoted extensively from your posts so that even if you do delete them there will be a record of how much of a fool you've shown yourself to be. Not to mention the evidence of your lying.

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You didn't understand the second time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims.

He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

He brought all this suspicion on himself by keeping, from the beginning, his BC, his medical, his tax and his education records private.

No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you. And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself.

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You didn't understand the second time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

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I totally understand. I made an honest mistake and admitted to it. It's what adults do.
You would rather people thought you were too stupid to know the difference between an honest mistake than admit you were wrong. Perhaps someday you will grow up enough to realize it's better to admit to being fallible than have people think you're stupid.
Besides, it keeps you from addressing the fact that there are sworn affidavits from Hawaiian officials that President Obama's birth certificate is in their archives. Because you'd have to admit you're wrong and you obviously lack the maturity to do that.

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Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims.

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As I've pointed out, of course he did. Just claims is what you've offered.

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He didn't release any BC during the campaign.

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There are plenty of news reports from the time that prove you are lying about that.

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Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

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Except one of the things he said in "that press conference in 2011" is that he had already addressed it. You should take the trouble to do a little research before making claims about things you are ignorant about.

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And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself.

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Are you really that delusional or do you realize that the only one making a fool of themselves is you?
I have no reason to report your posts. I'd say they were proof of how immature, foolish, and dishonest you are, but I'm guessing no one really needs any more proof of that.

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Sorry, sometimes my wife forgets that she is not an alien from outer space.

You didn't understand the third time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims.

He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

He brought all this suspicion on himself by keeping, from the beginning, his BC, his medical, his tax and his education records private.

No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you. I will not constantly rephrase everything, endless iterations of saying the same things.

And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself.

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You didn't understand the third time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

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As I've said, I completely understand. You would rather people think you're too stupid to know the difference between an honest mistake and a lie rather than admit you're wrong.

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Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims.

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Perhaps English isn't your first language. You don't seem to understand the difference between an honest mistake and a lie, and you seem to have confused the meaning between proof, which I've given, and claims, which is all you've given.

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He didn't release any BC during the campaign.

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Of course he did.

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Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

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He did say he had already addressed it at the 2011 press conference. What makes you think he didn't?

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I will not constantly rephrase everything, endless iterations of saying the same things.

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Apparently, you will. You seem to think it's a substitute for actually addressing the issues or for offering any proof of your claims.

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And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself.

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I'm still not reporting your posts, still don't want them deleted, and still know your posts make you look ignorant and immature.

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Sorry, sometimes my wife forgets that she is not an alien from outer space.

You didn't understand the fourth time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims. You and Obama are liars, according to your standard of what a liar is/isn't.

He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

He brought all this suspicion on himself by keeping, from the beginning, his BC, his medical, his tax and his education records private.

No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you. I will not constantly rephrase everything, endless iterations of saying the same things.

And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself.

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You didn't understand the fourth time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims. You and Obama are liars, according to your standard of what a liar is/isn't.

He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

He brought all this suspicion on himself by keeping, from the beginning, his BC, his medical, his tax and his education records private.

No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you. I will not constantly rephrase everything, endless iterations of saying the same things.

And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself.

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I understand. You can't address the issues so you repeat the same nonsense over and over because you'd rather people think you're stupid than admit you're wrong.
It's sad that you never grew up.

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Sorry, sometimes my wife forgets that she is not an alien from outer space.

You didn't understand the fifth time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims. You and Obama are liars, according to your standard of what a liar is/isn't.

He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

He brought all this suspicion on himself by keeping, from the beginning, his BC, his medical, his tax and his education records private.

No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you. I will not constantly rephrase everything, endless iterations of saying the same things.

And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself getting pwned by me.

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You didn't understand the fifth time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

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You mean you'll repeat everything that I've already shown is wrong because you'd rather people think you're stupid than admit you're wrong?

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You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims. You and Obama are liars, according to your standard of what a liar is/isn't.

He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

He brought all this suspicion on himself by keeping, from the beginning, his BC, his medical, his tax and his education records private.

No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you. I will not constantly rephrase everything, endless iterations of saying the same things.

And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself getting pwned by me.

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Yes, that is what you meant. The good news for you is on the 20th it all goes away and there will be no record of your embarrassment.

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Sorry, sometimes my wife forgets that she is not an alien from outer space.

You didn't understand the sixth time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

1) You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

2) Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims. You and Obama are liars, according to your standard of what a liar is/isn't.

3) He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

4) He brought all this suspicion on himself by keeping, from the beginning, his BC, his medical, his tax and his education records private.

I will not constantly rephrase everything, endless iterations of saying the same things. No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you.

And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself getting pwned by me.

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You didn't understand the sixth time, so I'll go through it with you once more.

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You mean you'll once more repeat the same nonsense that I've already proven is wrong because you'd rather people thought your were stupid than admit you were wrong.

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1) You did say Hawaii had a Sec State. You lied. You are a liar.

2) Obama didn't prove any natural born US citizenship. He just claimed it. And you are just linking/posting claims to the same. Claims. Just claims. You and Obama are liars, according to your standard of what a liar is/isn't.

3) He didn't release any BC during the campaign. Else, he wouldn't have held that press conference in 2011; he would have said that he already had addressed it.

4) He brought all this suspicion on himself by keeping, from the beginning, his BC, his medical, his tax and his education records private.

I will not constantly rephrase everything, endless iterations of saying the same things. No more fake/pseudo intellectual jousts with you.

And stop reporting my posts to get them deleted so that no one comes along and see how you're making a fool of yourself getting pwned by me.

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Yep, you're still claiming you're too stupid to know the difference between admitting to a mistake and telling a lie, still pretending that the evidence that President Obama released his birth certificate can be dismissed if you ignore it, still lying about President Obama not saying he had already addressed the birth certificate issue during his press conference in 2011, and still claiming I'm trying to get your posts deleted even though I'm copying them in their entirety. Obviously you can't refute anything I've already said on the subject. Which means you'd prefer people thinking you're stupid rather than admit you're wrong. Congratulations. I believe you've convinced most people you are stupid.

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