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Hell yeah. I was always thinking that there is a strong chemistry between Grant Gustin and Miss Panabaker. ;) And damn they both look good on the screen. I wish Danielle Panabaker was playing Iris West.

Don't think it would change much. The problem isn't the actress but the character. Iris is a useless character whose sole purpose is to give Flash a pep talk when he is down.

This more than anything. The hero's love interest is a marked character. Lana Lang on Smallville, Barbara Kean and Lee Tompkins on Gotham, Laurel Lance on Arrow, Mary Jane in the Raimi Spider-Man's, Iris on this show. Love interests are generally written as hero-dependent, two-faced annoying Mary Sues. Lois Lane on Smallville is a rare exception where the love interest was actually likable.

Yeah I appreciate them having a more diverse cast than the comic provides for, but I always thought Grant and Danielle had a lot of chemistry together. Back in season one when they went out drinking together was when I really first noticed it and I saw the spark again last night. I doubt they'll go down that road, but they should.

lol i came in just to say samething

**Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose on the 3rd day. Turn away from sin and to Christ**

I'll never understand shippers. I had no idea what any of it was until I started hitting the Smallville boards during its run. The folks who insisted that Clark had to end up with Lana and to hell with 60+ years of comic book continuity just frustrated me to no end.

You know why these shows get made? Because of the dedication of comic book readers. Yes, they get adapted for a more general audience, but if you deviate too much from the source material, you alienate the core fanbase.

I guess I can deal with shippers for the most part, as long as they're not the ones who get overly belligerent about their shipping, or the ones who get near violent because showrunners refuse to bow to their demands.

And don't get me started on fan fiction

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I'll never understand shippers. I had no idea what any of it was until I started hitting the Smallville boards during its run. The folks who insisted that Clark had to end up with Lana and to hell with 60+ years of comic book continuity just frustrated me to no end.

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They did make many changes to Iris and Barry on this barely keeping tribute to 75 + years of history. First, with changing her and Joe's race therefore making them CINOs (Character In Name Only), the other is their origin regarding Barry and Iris growing up in the same house as step-siblings, third is she's a journalist that actually does her job, much like Lois Lane.

Funny I checked out that link and the majority of the Flash fan fiction section is full of Snowbarry stories, that website is the most popular for fan fiction according to top sites. Westallens think they are so popular huh? Why aren't they churning out stories for their deity couple?

It's all about her black skin isn't it? To me it really doesn't matter what color she is, she's badly written and in turn makes Barry an awful person. No one likes these two together besides idiots like yourself who only see skin color and mistake awful writing for epic romances.

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Funny I checked out that link and the majority of the Flash fan fiction section is full of Snowbarry stories, that website is the most popular for fan fiction according to top sites. Westallens think they are so popular huh? Why aren't they churning out stories for their deity couple?

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Honestly, to hell with fan fiction. Am I supposed to care what fan fiction is more popular, or what gets written more? I have no problem with people writing it, but the fac that there are so many websites dedicated to it? Here's an idea. Create your own characters, situations, plot devices and settings, and make something - are you ready for this - original.

And I know changes are going to be made. I'm fine with change as it's an adaptation. But to throw hissy fits online the way I've seen some shippers do because their ships aren't going to be given credence? Whatever.

Pretty sure the people who cared in the beginning are no longer here.

Exactly! They're the plague of these shows. Less BS love and more speed dammit!

The way Caitlyn mounted Barry and kissed him was so cool

yeah, it was great, but I wouldn't ship them, shipping is for narzeholes

I think Wells and Caitlin would be hot.

I think Iris is fine how she is. There is nothing wrong with being the girlfriend, daughter, sister, friend, with heroic qualities. The Flash is incapable of telling stories not centered around Barry for more than an episode or two, primarily because of there "We must have a meta every episode" philosophy.

What function does Joe really serve? He's a cop, but he can't take down any meta. Sure he has a great job title, but he's saved no more people than Iris. He saved Barry twice. Iris saved Caitlin.

Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

Snow-Barry, it's been there all along.

If Smallville can have Green Arrow end up with Chloe, why not?

It's important to get the protagonist's story right. In Smallville that means Clark/Lois. On the Flash, Barry/Iris. Arrow muffed it up and they still haven't got all their viewers back.

Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

Where?

James 4:8
Easier to say you're right than I'm wrong.

You are remembering it wrong dude Barry physically can't get drunk

No point trying to show mercy to the stupid, they wouldn't know what to do with it anyway

Who is this we? Barry-Caitlin is not happening. There's always fan fiction.

https://www.fanfiction.net/community/SnowBarry-FlashFrost-Stories/117291/

Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

No. Iris and Barry are great together. No need for a pointless couple like Barry and Caitlin.

Don't Jdg a Bok by Its Move

Barry will have a father-in-law that loves him, a brother-in-law that idolizes him, and a girl he has loved before his voice changed and he'll give that up for Caitlin.

Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

There has always been chemistry between Barry and Caitlin, but the writers downplayed it heavily in Season 2, mainly teasing it with episodes like 1x12, 1x19, and this recent KF episode. But, yeah, it shows that they have tons more chemistry than Barry ever had with Iris, a combination of Caitlin being a stronger character, Panabaker's acting rising up in the Barry-Caitlin scenes, and Gustin's emotions feeling more genuine when Barry is with Caitlin than when he's trying too hard in the romantic scenes with Iris, to the point where they come across as awkward. But I love Cisco too much to have Iris pawned off on him. He deserves better than Barry's leftovers.

You know chemistry is subjective right? And how in the world were the writers teasing snowbarry in 1x12 and 1x19? 1x12 wasn't even a good episode for Caitlin cause she was written OOC.

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Gustin's emotions feeling more genuine when Barry is with Caitlin than when he's trying too hard in the romantic scenes with Iris, to the point where they come across as awkward.

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He deserves better than Barry's leftovers.

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But Caitlin deserves Iris's left overs?

James 4:8
Easier to say you're right than I'm wrong.

Why do you guys even play these games with these ppl at this point?

I'm genuinely curious as to how people could come to these conclusions. Especially of this particular poster whom I used to have long convos about on the subject of Barry's/Iris's relationship vs Barry's/Caitlin's relationship. I've noticed that since the beginning of this season their posts are tinged heavily with.bitterness, for lack of a better word. They're starting to sound like the usual SB crowd. I've been on this board since the beginning of the show, so I know who the baiters and trolls are and I don't engage them. What would be the point?

James 4:8
Easier to say you're right than I'm wrong.

Pretty sure the level of retardation is reached just fine with you westallen shippers. Whoever ships snowbarry or whatever you call them at least don't act like bigots who can't hold a debate without taking everything so personally. Shipping is awful as is westallens are the paint sniffers that make Lana Lang's stans seems like angels that's saying a lot.

Good god gravy, I've been here since the show began and I've been called every name in the book by westallen stans for not falling over myself for this terrible character, their favorite is racist. Which is ironic since they tend to only like her because she's a black girl. Same goes for James Olson on Supergirl, same fans, separate shows. They're known at these boards for being the most race baiting if not the most racist hate clan on here. Clearly your little fantasy is about to bust up the more these writers refuse to develop your little queen beyond giving her tropes. It's really gotta hurt knowing you're on the side of bad writing that you can't see straight so you yourself reach in the tired westallen shipper hand book of going "wah i'm the victim you are racist" bull sht tactic. Giving me comic canon arguments? Huh, these aren't the same pairing from the comics. So much has changed from their origins that no one recognizes them as Iris and Barry from the DC comics mythos.

Regular viewers of this show are bored of this couple. What a concept? Someone actually having a different opinion than you. The only difference is opinion isn't fact. The only thing that is fact is the MAJORITY of the viewership hate this character and love Cisco or Caitlin more than some useless girl who doesn't work and exists only around the men in her life. You should be complaining to the writers for not giving her a real backstory. She's got none of it and for that, you remained pissed at the wrong people. The articles outside of these boards, not everyone has to be on the forced incestuous ship you slobber over daily. They praised *gasp* other people like Killer Frost since she was the focus of the episode and the scenes revolving around Barry and Caitlin. It makes sense because that pairing isn't forced. I've never seen so much insecurity in someone who ships a couple who is already canon. What's wrong? Feel threatened?

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I've only been here a little over a month and I'm thinking that you probably earned whatever they gave you.

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I wasn't the only one pointing out reasons why Iris is such a bad character who got that treatment. Anyone who spoke negatively about her got the race card thrown their way. Hardly earned, more labeling than anything else which is what supporters of that ship are good at.

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All of whom you've spoken to, right? A poll was taken and all the 'regular' viewers said they were bored? Nope. BTW, calling one group 'regular' and the other 'retarded' is racist. Never mind the fact that anyone who watches all the time would be 'regular', no matter their ship.

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Known and respected Youtubers. Fanboy comic readers. Journalists who are unbiased to the CW sjw agenda. Did a little thing called search after the episode aired, boom, found those people. People just don't care about your little canon at this point. Say all you want about not shipping them, you're still in the defense mode, why are you here otherwise? Methinks you're a fan, why are you shouting? Westallens are typical in their emotional outbursts when people don't share their opinions, this is no different. I've never gotten into a fight with a regular viewer, though the shippers from that group tend to take things out of hand as if they are personally attacked.

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LOL! You still think I ship them?!! No, boo, I don't. I don't see any chemistry between them. Just as I don't see any chemistry between Caitlin and Barry. As an adult, I can live with other people on a public forum discussing their ships. Even if I don't see it.

As a fan of the SHOW, I would think you'd understand that. Oh, wait, you're not a fan of the show. You're just someone projecting onto others your enormous butt-hurt over NEVER getting to see your ship sail on the show. Something you've probably been doing since the show started! LOL. The thought of you waiting on Killer Frost to Killer Frost on Barry is so delicious.

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Oh yes I do indeed. Like I said, why are you here arguing with me and other people who share my opinion of anti westallen on any level if you didn't care about them being together? Barry and Caitlin have chemistry, sure I can see it. I never said I shipped them. I said they interact fine and I can actually talk to their shippers. Isn't the case with westallen shippers. Until yourself, who constantly is in denial about shipping the couple no one gives a fck about.

Nope. I laugh at people like yourself who think you've somehow hurt me with your idiocy. Westallens don't hide it, you've just proven this correct. I'm actually delighted. Killer Frost hurts your little fantasy and yeah, she is currently the only thing people care about this season while everything so far as been sappy, corny, predictable, rehashed and tired. Such a fan of the show huh? Living in denial? Check, typical westallen shipper.

Edit: So it appears you have deleted your posts. lol Hiding all the evidence of retardation I see. You are just a troll, no reason to delete posts if you have a fair opinion in the debate. But wait, this got emotional really quick, wasn't that you? I was just stating the obvious, that you are dumb. Hence the magically disappearing posts you left behind.

I really made you mad didn't I? Go ahead. Delete the ones above. Some trolls I actually have fun with. You, well, the retardation is packing on stronger than emo Cisco has been lately.

It's been 24 hours and your troll posts are still here. Find me pathetic? Other people other than me have called you out and I didn't know trolls can see passed their own anger.

Anyone who ships westallen doesn't understand what good writing is. You defended them numerous times. Learn how to take when people call you out. It's a part of life. Although I don't see how a troll like yourself can learn anything aside from what the bigoted voices in your head tell you to spew.

@Delorb surely you are lol at this idiot at this point. His entire argument is -I know you are but what am I. Thisperson is childish and basic. He seems to mistake his opinion for fact. He seems not to be able to follow the basic plot points of the show. Why bother to give this stupidity your time or a voice.

Curious? Really? C'mon now. You know exactly how they arrive at these conclusions. Maybe you mean the subterfuge amuses you and denial amuses you.

Its not only subjective there is also more to it than kissing. It is a connection between the actors sorry but Grant doesn't have the level connection with Danielle that he has Candice. Folks need to watch their scenes the connection is effortless. In my opinion Candice is a very underrated actress

There's nothing wrong with Iris, so saying she's "Barry's leftovers" is bullsht.

Don't Jdg a Bok by Its Move

Putting Iris with Cisco reeks of rebound.

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Panabaker's acting rising up in the Barry-Caitlin scenes,

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That's not saying much. She's not Emily Bett or Stephen Amell bad, but she's bad, even for the CW.

If Snowbarry fans see this episode as a tease, you're more delusional than I thought.

Where are the Asian characters DC CW? #MoreAsians

Danielle is the weakest actor on the show, how they are satisfy with what she gives them is baffling. And yes chemistry is subjective however, what some people picked up between Barry and Caitlin is beyond me. The cringe involved in all of their dialogues was at high alert. I really wish we got a better actress to play this role, still wondering why she is even involved at all.