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Is Vonnegut's Player Piano prophetic?

Or is it too optimistic?

Will the elites find a way to rid themselves of us entirely, once AI becomes sophisticated enough to replace humans?

As everyone who's tried to enslave entire groups of people eventually finds, keeping them around is bad for the conscience. Genocide is preferable, since you can move on and forget they ever existed.

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Has nobody read this?

Isn't there an English professor around here somewhere?

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And no.


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I haven’t read that one, but Slaughterhouse Five is one of my favorite novels of all time, so I’ll have to check this out.

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So it goes.

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You won't regret it.

It shouldn't need saying, but just in case you're one of the wokists, it has out dated attitudes toward women in that it views them only as housewives. Look past that to see the many truths of the story.

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I read it during a Vonnegut phase many many moons ago, so I don't remember it.

My sense of the tech-bros and tech billionaires is that they'd be happy to leave us all behind, or at least most of us, like the tech billionaire character does at the end of Don't Look Up.

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I was reminded of it recently, with Zuckerberg's Metaverse announcement. It seemed to me to be convenient timing as we hit yet another Industrial Age. Each Industrial Age leaves people behind and I fear this next one will leave almost everyone behind.

How will the elites handle an idle population? They'll have no use for us, but I imagine their conscience and our weight of numbers will prevent a genocide.

We'll need to have something to do. We can't all sit around watching TV all day. Maybe the Metaverse will allow people to live meaningful lives? Or perceived to be meaningful, at least. Perhaps people will be able to establish their own tech empires, or become Hollywood actors.

Having reread it, I was blown away by many of Vonnegut's observations. I clearly hadn't appreciated his prescience the first time around. It should be required reading for high schoolers, along with Brave New World, 1984, and Animal Farm.

I recommend a re-read. It's a reasonably short story that begins to payoff almost immediately.

I haven't heard of Don't Look Up, I'll check it out.

ETA: Ah, it's a shitty Netflix movie. I'll pass. I have promised myself I won't watch anything made recently. It's all lefty crap.

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LoL, yeah, you wouldn't like that film.

It's no The Big Short, by the same director.

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I'm not a fan of the Big Short either, to be fair. I can't remember what my specific issues were with it, but I was glad when it was over and shaking my head a lot in disagreement throughout.

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Ah, see, The Big Short is a book that indeed I have read in the last five years or so, and it was great. And I thought the film did a good job conveying the ideas there.

I am trying to think of why a true blue libertarian would not enjoy it. Maybe it's the critique of deregulation. But the bad guys in it are the big bad financial institutions and the lazy and ideologically captured government, so there you are!

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It probably was the way Capitalism was the villain. People are villains.

As I've said, I really don't remember the story. I gave a vague recollection of thinking, at the time, that I remembered the facts, and I didn't recall the story and the facts being aligned. I may be wrong about that though.

Since COVID and vaccines, my memory is now a joke.

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I urge everyone to read Player Piano. It will help you unravel the indoctrination that has gripped you.

First, I suggest you research the ESG financial model that has taken control of Western finance, then Vonnegut's novel will hit you like a hammer.

Below is the best and most insightful review I've found. I'd have written one myself, but this guy has done a way better job than I ever could.

As you'll see, he's not a Trump supporter, so all you lefties out there can relax and know this is a non-partisan issue.


The Cybernetic Script

One of the most important but least discussed consequences of WWII is an ideology. It is way of thinking that unites the political left and right, and even transcends the ideologies of Capitalism and Marxism with their apparent conflicts about the nature of human beings and their politics. It is an ideology that became and remains the dominant intellectual force in the world in my lifetime. This ideology goes by a name that is only occasionally used today and is probably recognised only by specialist professionals old enough to remember it: Cybernetics.

Cybernetics is the unnamed central character in Player Piano, where it goes incognito as 'know how' developed during the war. As a scientific discipline, cybernetics is about control. Its vocabulary has largely been assimilated into general usage - systems, feedback loops, requisite variety, algorithms. sustainability. In the year that Vonnegut was writing Player Piano (1951), cybernetics was the fashionable inter-disciplinary buzzword in fields as diverse as hormonal medicine, national government, industrial economics and computer design (not to mention player pianos). And of course, in Vonnegut's obvious subject: Robotics. The big names in the social sciences of the day - von Neumann, Ashby, Weiner, Bateson, Deming, Beer, to name just a few - all had cybernetic connections through the war-effort.

Vonnegut's prescience about the effects of cybernetic thinking for things like automated factories, computer-assisted design, self-driven cars, voice-recognition and expert systems are at least as good as anyone involved in the discipline at the time. But Vonnegut's real talent isn't predictive, it's prophetic. And his insights aren't about science, they are about ideology. He saw beneath the breathless press and stunning technological advances produced through cybernetics to how cybernetics was being used shape the manner in which human beings were to live with each other, whether they were conscious of this or not.

Cybernetics was always more than a discipline or method, or even a manner of thinking. Through general, tacit, but very real agreement on the issues of importance to be addressed, the only issues, cybernetics became an ideology, a framework, a rationale, most crucially a rationalisation of the exercise of power by the people who had power. These are the people Vonnegut identifies as the 'elite', technical managers and their distant superiors who tend the complex cybernetic control mechanisms.

But Vonnegut is far too perceptive to categorise the world simply into managers and those they manage. There is a reason why the very senior managers in Player Piano are kept vaguely in the background. They are the only people not subject to cybernetic demands. The only thing that cybernetics cannot be used for is the decision about what constitutes a successful result of the processes involved, about how to measure value. Player Piano was born in a world of the McCarthy hearings (alluded to in the phrase 'fellow travellers'), the most blatant attempt to institutionalise the definition of success until recent times.

Success is defined elsewhere than by the factory managers in Player Piano, in the higher reaches of corporate management, beyond the pay grade of a Proteus and his colleagues in Ilium (incidentally the Latin for guts, including the highly vulnerable testicles; as well as another name for Troy, of the treacherous horse). And however value is defined, it is not a process or a result to be tampered with in Vonnegut's world at the level of mere management professionals.

A successful result of a cybernetic process might be defined in terms of efficiency, or speed, or innovation, or profit, consumer satisfaction, or literally anything the human mind might conjure. Whatever it is, it is hard wired into the little tape loops that run each machine in Ilium's massive factories. But nothing within the discipline of cybernetics gave a clue as to which of these measures of success was appropriate, or best, or acceptable.

This is the lynchpin of Vonnegut's narrative. It is not mere Luddite sabotage of the machines that is the threat to Ilium's stability but rather changes to the criteria embedded in the tapes and the authority that creates them. It is the control boxes that must be kept locked and secure. These are the tabernacles in which the secret decisions about what constitutes value are hidden and from which these decisions invisibly control both the machines and the factory managers. It is these tiny sanctuaries not the gigantic integrated chains of machines that are the driving force of Vonnegut's fiction.

Except that this situation wasn't, and isn't, only a fiction. The separation of the management of cybernetically controlled systems and the choice of their criteria of success, that is to say, their value, is the core of cybernetics as an ideology. In both Player Piano and in the world as it has evolved, this separation has largely come to pass. Politically, this has gone largely unnoticed by those most affected by the ideology. Until of course very recently as demonstrated in the dramatic political events in Europe, North America, India, and, I think, even China

A key part of Vonnegut's narrative is the separation of what would come to be called the 99% from the corporate managerial class. The most interesting part of the script is the malaise that affects the 99%-ers. This malaise is spiritual rather than material. Although unemployed, the plebs are not homeless or starving.

But since the removal of the corporate ladder, which had given apparent purpose to life and by which they might have advanced (a central element of the post-war American Dream), they are dissatisfied and unruly. The most hopeful aspect of Player Piano is that they don't seem to want the corporate ladder back!

As a prophet not a forecaster, Vonnegut got some things wrong. What he mainly got wrong was the precise mode in which the cybernetic ideology was to play out. He reckoned, along with many philosophers and social scientists of the time, that the managerial elite would dominate through their control of manufacturing and transport. This is how the Robber Barons in the late 19th century and the Russian soviets had already done it.

What no one, literally no one, at the time anticipated was that even the manufacturing elite wouldn't be high enough up the cybernetic food chain to set the criteria for success. This would be left to the even more remote Captains of Finance not the contemporary Lords of Industry. Given that neither Karl Marx nor Frederik Hayek saw that one coming, we might want to overlook Vonnegut's slip.

Vonnegut couldn't see the impending shift because Finance in America, as everywhere else, was still Capitalist Finance in 1951. Not for a decade did cybernetics under a new heading of Corporate Finance, as a real discipline and an ideology, become identifiable as a visible intellectual force. And not for yet another decade was this force great enough to shift corporate power decisively from the capitalists who make things to the capitalists who finance things.

It is unarguable that today it is the likes of Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley rather than General Motors or General Electric that dominate the world economy and a large portion of its social ambitions as well. The transition is complete. Same cybernetic ideology, just a different cast of corporate characters. And Vonnegut wrote the script. Unfortunately Trump not Proteus is leading the revolution.