Religion, Faith, and Spirituality : What I don't understand about theists…

So they supposedly believe that human rights are given by God and not by government, because the government can just as easily take away what they give out. This is certainly true, but if God is real, which they believe he is, what is to stop him from taking rights away?

You can defend yourself from a tyrannical government because governments are people, made up of flesh and blood, but there is no way to defend yourself from an all knowing, supernatural deity that rules the world. What are you going to do? Shoot the sky?

I would rather live in a world ruled by human tyrants and no God, than a world with a God and no tyrants. At least with the former there would be a fighting chance.

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Just because I'm not on THEIR side, doesn't mean I'm on YOURS.

idk about any of that, i just wanted to tell u that i wanted to reply to ur response yesterday but i lost the notification and now i can't find the post anymore, i'm sorry.

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suck it.

What was the response about again?

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Just because I'm not on THEIR side, doesn't mean I'm on YOURS.

That's the core belief of Satanism, that god is not always right.

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Heil Satan

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I crushed the pathetic loser troll Cuck_Venom and rebuilt him as my toilet

Fuck his Mother

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I would agree with you but then both of us would be wrong

Do you have an Oedipus Complex or something?

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I would agree with you but then both of us would be wrong

Yeah, I know what "****" means. If you're heterosexual you have an Oedipus Complex. Y'all do.

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Oedipus Complex is based on Freudian theory. Freud was a ****ing idiot. A proclaimation like this

If you're heterosexual you have an Oedipus Complex. Y'all do.

Is as stupid as his theory of penis envy.

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I would agree with you but then both of us would be wrong

So you're a feminist?

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What retards theory is that question based off?

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I would agree with you but then both of us would be wrong

Freud is held in disrepute because feminists hate Penis Envy.

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Freud is held in disrepute because he was a ****ing idiot.

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I would agree with you but then both of us would be wrong

Freud is held in disrepute because feminists hate Penis Envy.

It isn't just feminists who hate "penis envy". Anyone who understands how the scientific method is supposed to work when modeling the human mind is going to hate "penis envy".

Freud is held in disrepute by the scientific community because these kinds of ideas are unverifiable bullshit and not science, end of story. Critiques of Freud by my favorite philosophers and scientists abound, and none of them ever involved feminism.

Not that it would be wrong to critique his nonsense from a feminist perspective, but Jesus, he's got so many things wrong on other grounds that it would be like handing out a jaywalking ticket to someone you just saw commit murder.

(I'm sure you were just joking/trolling, and even had a mischievous grin on your face when you typed that, I just had to jump in there.)

Micropole is generally a ****ing idiot but he certainly hit the nail on the head with this one.

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I would agree with you but then both of us would be wrong

Soul Venom.

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He gets irrational.

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I might have had something close to an Oedipus Complex when I was a toddler. Growing up, I was extremely close with my mother, and though I couldn't comprehend it at the time, I remember sensing that my father seemed to resent me because my mother preferred my company to his.

I am, however, afflicted with a moderate case of castration anxiety!

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Luke 10:18 I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

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I crushed the pathetic loser troll Cuck_Venom and rebuilt him as my toilet


So what?
Anyone can do that to Scum Venom.
This is like bragging about pissing on the ground.

Agreed!

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I crushed the pathetic loser troll Cuck_Venom and rebuilt him as my toilet

I always felt that the driving force behind Satanism was perversity. And I don't think that perversity in itself is even the worst thing in the world.

The thing that frightens me the most about Satanists is that they seem to take themselves very seriously.

Luke 10:18 I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

That's Satanic Romanticism.

Most people think devil worship is about sacrificing chickens and masturbating with an upside down crucifix (whatever that means).

It really isn't. I read Aleister Crowley. To me Satanism was about rebellion against the universal order and restoring the pagan gods.

I know you grew up in a fundamentalist Christian home. I was baptized Greek Orthodox. But my family was very secular. Religion was never stressed but my parents believed in god.

My older sister married a Mormon and hell broke loose. I was a profligate gay child but I converted to Mormonism under the influence of my charismatic brother-in-law. Mormonism is actually a kewl religion once you get past the hype. It teaches you'll be a god one day and you'll create your own worlds and planets.

Still, I could not reconcile my homosexuality with Jesus. Mormonism teaches that Satan is Christ's brother. But he was the rebellious brother who turned against God the Father. In Mormonism, God the Father and Christ are two completely different entities.

So I left the Mormon Church and developed my own syncretic and dualistic religion. I could have started a cult but then I discovered Karl Marx and UCLA's School of Business.

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What makes you think I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian home?

Sorry if I'm wrong. I thought you said that. Clarify.

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No, I never would have said anything remotely close to that.

My father is an avowed atheist and I don't know what my mother was. An uncharitable Methodist, I suppose.

Organized religion holds little appeal for me. The exception being certain Native American beliefs, which seem pure and true and authentically experienced and felt. But NA religions seem more organic than organized, anyway.

Okay, I had you confused with someone else. Never mind.

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Organized religion holds little appeal for me. The exception being certain Native American beliefs, which seem pure and true and authentically experienced and felt. But NA religions seem more organic than organized, anyway.

That is why I love movies like Little Big Man and Dances With Wolves, which dignify and validate the connection to all and every thing within their beings on the earth.

It is tragic what happened to their cultures and if only white colonialism came later, then it may have perhaps been more respected, revered and preserved more soundly.

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…I converted to Mormonism under the influence of my charismatic brother-in-law.

Cute guys there Cavey!!!

Mormonism is actually a kewl religion once you get past the hype. It teaches you'll be a god one day and you'll create your own worlds and planets.

Which is what we do regardless of the notion of Mormonism.

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Norman! What did you put in my tea?

Blond Mormon missionaries are cute but they're not really my type.

Which is what we do regardless of the notion of Mormonism.

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To take ourselves away from notion of being creator, and to then compartmentalize a creator God is limiting and also conflicting of mind. Creates a lot of confusion, hostility and flux.

That is why these religious sects are so full of s<>t.

Have you seen Latter Days? The blonde Mormon dude in that who get seduced by a gay guy is a honey. Its not available on here to watch.

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Well if Christianity is true I still believe the Mormons have it right. Their theology is flawless.

My sister is Mormon and my nephew is gay. He was excommunicated from the church when they found out.

I've never seen Latter Days. I think the blond Mormon kid is cuter than the guy who seduced him.

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Well if Christianity is true I still believe the Mormons have it right.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, "if" Christianity is true???

We know its a true religion founded on belief and institution created within the human realm, but that's as far as it goes on surface level. There is NO belief beyond what the deluded mind creates and thinks of as real.

Yes, the Mormon blonde dude is way cute, over the gay dude. That's what I meant.

Its on YouTube to watch, but dubbed into Italian. That is where I first saw it several years ago, but the orgianl English language version looks like its been removed.

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We know nothing in regards to the origin of our existence with certainty.

I'm an atheist. The term "agnostic" is wishy washy.

But if Christianity is true, meaning that Christ died and was resurrected for our sins, then the Mormon Church has divine revelation. No other Christian sect presents the theology as a seamless whole like the LDS.

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Why does there have to be an origin for existence? Within the infinite, there is no starting or end point.

There is no seamless whole, when there is separation away from divinity, like in LDS and other forms of Christian belief. There is also NO form of Christianity, beyond what the delusion of mind creates.

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I'm an atheist, fool.

But you cannot say with certainty that there isn't some Force which sent Christ here. Nobody can. That's all I'm saying.

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…you cannot say with certainty that there isn't some Force which sent Christ here. Nobody can. That's all I'm saying.

Then you can't be a genuine atheist, because you claim to admire much about religions and your statement here even proves it, as you believe in Christ being here. Who/what was Christ, beyond the glorification of religion?

An atheist, rejects the religious notion of creator God only. In order to reject God, one has to have notion of it first to dismiss it. It all begins with God for either theist or atheist, yet it is not "separate" God.

Only a fool wouldn't connect to the complete whole of the universe as its experienced and that the creator being is encompassed within everything in "entirety". It would be limiting and delusional not too.

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Norman! What did you put in my tea?

Trust me. I'm an atheist. I don't believe anything which cannot be verified by science.

That doesn't mean there can't be truth's I don't know about.

You have as much faith as any Christian if you think you know anything about existence with complete certainty.

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You can tend to meander regarding religion and its beliefs, within what you idendify as, yet this is also perhaps just born of fascination and interest.

In a technical sense I am atheist, in that I don't believe in religious creator God, yet don't dismiss God out of religious context. A true atheist would disregard any notion of 'God', as that term brings up notions of deluded institutional belief.

The only truth one needs to be aware of, is consciousness awareness and that is what you already have. That can't be denied. This comes first before anything else and is all connected.

Science largely thinks in matter first, which is understandable, and yet it can constantly hits walls with its bricks of logic. Its seeking knowing for intellect reasons born out of ego notions of self.

Its also looking for points of measures within how everything works and can dismiss the whole essence of conscious being not being brain only. Heck they even try to measure time. Mind works within everything. Until that is acknowledged, truth will flounder.

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I'm in no position to say anything negative about science, EXCEPT that its power pales in comparison to the power of the imagination.

The strength of a person's religious beliefs is based in faith. Science is the realm that demands evidence, proof. Faith loses every bit of its worth if it needs "proof". I would think that to be self-evident.

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I'm merely saying that I can be atheist, be 100% sure there is no theistic god, and still realize that I am a mere man and don't know everything.

There might be things out there I don't know exist. That doesn't make me an agnostic. It just means I'm an atheist based on what I know.

Toasty seems to have an irrational faith in his atheism like it's a religion. I do not.

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Platonic_Caveman said... I'm merely saying that I can be atheist, be 100% sure there is no theistic god, and still realize that I am a mere man and don't know everything.

There might be things out there I don't know exist. That doesn't make me an agnostic. It just means I'm an atheist based on what I know.

Toasty seems to have an irrational faith in his atheism like it's a religion. I do not.

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I understand. I just wanted to add my two cents worth!

If I believe in anything wholeheartedly, it is my dreams. If surrealism could be transformed into a religion, then that would be the one for me. But then I really don't need religion.

There's a quote in the 1980 movie "Resurrection" with Ellen Burstyn where she says "God is love. That's all." I like that so much. I mean, why does it have to be more complicated or complex than that?

I also find synchronicity to be this extraordinarily powerful thing. A powers that defies reason. Whenever i experience a bit of synchronicity, my immediate interpretation is that I am exactly where I should be in that moment in time.

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I love hutch said... I understand. I just wanted to add my two cents worth!

If I believe in anything wholeheartedly, it is my dreams. If surrealism could be transformed into a religion, then that would be the one for me. But then I really don't need religion.

There's a quote in the 1980 movie "Resurrection" with Ellen Burstyn where she says "God is love. That's all." I like that so much. I mean, why does it have to be more complicated or complex than that?

I also find synchronicity to be this extraordinarily powerful thing. A powers that defies reason. Whenever i experience a bit of synchronicity, my immediate interpretation is that I am exactly where I should be in that moment in time.

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If god does exist I think he comprises both good and evil. But of course he is at the same time to use Nietzsche's terminology "beyond good and evil". When I was a believer my interpretation of the Christian god was that he was partially "evil". My proof of that was his condemnation of homosexuality.

So I don't know if god is love. There's too much necessary evil in his universe.

I like your surrealistic epiphany. I've learned from my own experience with mind altering substances that truth is surreal.

Toasty started talking metaphysical gobbledy**** though. Lol.

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Platonic_Caveman said... If god does exist I think he comprises both good and evil. But of course he is at the same time to use Nietzsche's terminology "beyond good and evil". When I was a believer my interpretation of the Christian god was that he was partially "evil". My proof of that was his condemnation of homosexuality.

So I don't know if god is love. There's too much necessary evil in his universe.

I like your surrealistic epiphany. I've learned from my own experience with mind altering substances that truth is surreal.

Toasty started talking metaphysical gobbledygook though. Lol.

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I know that "God is love" can seem very simplistic. And I do believe that for every benevolent force, there exists an opposite. It just has to be that way. A perfect analogy might be the color wheel (it's no coincidence that Millie Lammoreaux is obsessed with the colors yellow and purple, which are complimentary on the wheel.) And so if I believe in God, then I guess I have to believe in the devil. One reason why I kind of steer clear of "God" (or, more specifically, The Old Testament, is because it's so dark. And, of course, there IS a lot of depravity in this world.

As far as the movie quote goes, "God is love" really was more of a projection of that character's approach to life. Nice and simple. And while I'd like to think that I am a warm-hearted, forgiving person, I, too, have a dark side. I'm not sure, but I think it was Jung who talked about the shadow and how it could be extremely dangerous for us to disregard the shadow within our own psyche. I couldn't agree more. If you disregard it or are deluded to think that you are above and beyond having a dark side, then watch out! Because these are the people who can end up doing the most damage.

My primary association with surrealism is the director Luis Bunuel. He said something to the effect that if he had his druthers, he would like to spend 2 hours a day working and the remaining 22 hours dreaming. A surrealist after my own heart! The intensity and passion and warm connections I have experienced in some of my dreams far and away surpass anything I have ever felt in my waking state.

Toasty and I are usually on the same wavelength. I will have to go look up what the rascal has had to say as of late!

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Well, rebelling against the universal order could be seen as perversity.

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I see it politically though, with Satan as a cosmic revolutionary.

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Norman! What did you put in my tea?