Beauty and the Beast : Plot Spoilers
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are you joking? You know this is a remake of the 1991 Disney classic, right? We already know the entire plot.
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Really. Did you know that the Gaston/Beast battle is different?
Did you know that the reason Belle's father is thrown in the Beast's cell is closer to the original fairy tail?
Did you know that Belle is not just a bookworm but also an inventor like her father?
Did you know Gaston is responsible for Belle's father getting lost in the woods?
Did you know that the Enchantress also enchants the village?
Because NONE of these things were in the animated film. This movie is like The Jungle Book. It is both similar, but also different. Mixing old with new.
Did you know that the reason Belle's father is thrown in the Beast's cell is closer to the original fairy tail?
Did you know that Belle is not just a bookworm but also an inventor like her father?
Did you know Gaston is responsible for Belle's father getting lost in the woods?
Did you know that the Enchantress also enchants the village?
Because NONE of these things were in the animated film. This movie is like The Jungle Book. It is both similar, but also different. Mixing old with new.
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Say, I might as well ask how are the triplets depicted in this book (and by extension, the live action film)? Because one thing I'm definitely looking forward to is the opportunity to actually fix the triplets' characterizations in the live action movie so they actually would fit in as Belle's foils, since in the animated film, you wouldn't even know it if they had inner ugliness as their demeanor came across as coming across as truly being pure of heart while Belle came across as a jerk.
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Looking forward to your answers. The remake seems to look VERY promising, especially with your statements. Hope Gaston doesn't publicly blurt out key details to his plan like in the original film via the reprise, I thought that was very stupid of him, or if they do, they actually justify it pretty well.
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This sounds interesting. What happens?
Did you know that the Enchantress also enchants the village?
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But those are all minor details. The story is still very much the animated version's take on the story, even with a little different window dressing. As an example, this isn't on the order of, say, Maleficent in drastically shaking up the original version.
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To be honest, I actually HATED the Maleficent movie due to changing far too much. If you believe in radical change, more power to you, but while I do think there were some flaws in the original movie, I would never go as far as to demand the magnitude of change you are requesting.
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Don't misunderstand, I don't think that the Maleficent movie was superior either. I'm just stating that I consider this new Beauty and the Beast to be essentially the same as the old. Whether that's a good or a bad thing is up to personal opinion.
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How do they handle Gaston's death in the novelization? Do they use one of the original ideas from the animated films in which Gaston survives his fall but is devoured by the wolves
"Fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
"Fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
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I will answer all questions within an hour. I am writing quite a big list right now. As for Gaston's death. Let's just say I am hoping with all I got that we get this exact scene in the movie.
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Well, that certainly explains it far better than the original film did. That actually fixes a pretty big plothole in the film.
Can't wait to hear more information from you about it (especially the bit about the triplets, because those are three characters who DEFINITELY needed better characterization if you ask me, since their role as foils for Belle was badly handled in the original film, especially when they came across as closer to truly being beautiful on the inside than Belle did, even with their stupid crush on Gaston), because this definitely is going to redeem Belle in my eyes if the remake is as good as promised to me.
BTW, you said later on that Gaston's the reason why Maurice got lost? Please tell me, what did Gaston do? That certainly piqued my interest.
Can't wait to hear more information from you about it (especially the bit about the triplets, because those are three characters who DEFINITELY needed better characterization if you ask me, since their role as foils for Belle was badly handled in the original film, especially when they came across as closer to truly being beautiful on the inside than Belle did, even with their stupid crush on Gaston), because this definitely is going to redeem Belle in my eyes if the remake is as good as promised to me.
BTW, you said later on that Gaston's the reason why Maurice got lost? Please tell me, what did Gaston do? That certainly piqued my interest.
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Little late, but here you all go.
It opens with a giant party the Prince is throwing. Being VERY vain, he invites only those who he deems as beautiful as himself. The party is interupted by a Begger Woman, who is looking for shelter from the storm. The Prince refuses her even when she says she can go elsewhere in the castle, but he refuses again and acts rude and cruel. She then transforms into an Enchantress and the Prince begs for forgiveness. The Enchantress refuses and transforms him in from of everyone. She then curses the all who live inside the castle as well as everyone else. The castle is also covered in enternal winter.
In the village, Belle has made friends of Agathe, an old woman who is an outcast in the village.
Gaston, though a hunter was also a war vet. As for LeFou, he is Gaston's biggest fan and an old friend of his who joined the war with him. LeFou also has more sense than Gaston.
Belle's father talks to Belle a bit about her mother, after she asks if he finds her odd.
Instead of wanting to show off an invention at a fair, Maurice loads a cart with the music boxes he made to sell at a large market a few towns over. He asks Belle what she would like and she requests a rose.
While her father is away, Belle teaches a little girl how to read.
They are discovered by a headmaster a some other villagers. Some outraged some cheering Belle on. Gaston barges in and thinks he is coming to her rescue, but all he does is help end the lesson and everyone leaves.
After Maurice's encounter with the wolves, he enters the castle and is given food and warmth. Though when he sees the objects are alive, he flees. He grabs his horse, but sees a rose. He takes it and the Beasts confronts him.
Belle still makes a deal with the Beast to release her father, but it is altered greatly and in a good way. She bargains for her father, her father refuses, then Belle tricks him and sacrifices herself to free him.
Lumiere frees Belle and gives her a room without the Beast's consent. He also lies to her and says that her having her own room was his master's idea. Cogsworth, of course, is against the whole thing, but Lumiere convinces him to go along with it. Belle is terrified at first when she sees the two.
The two try their best to befriend Belle, while she is still startled and Cogsworth is the one who tells her to stay away from the West Wing.
In the bedroom, she meets Plumette and Garderobe as well. Some pretty funny scenes.
The three bimbos are barely mentioned just fyi.
When Maurice goes to Gaston for help, instead of throwing him out, Gaston tells him to lead the way and he and LeFou follow.
The Beast finds out about Belle and confronts Lumiere and Cogsworth. Though they convince him to allow it.
Beast's 'dinner confrontation' with Belle is also different.
Belle EASILY figures out that the castle and its inhabitants are cursed.
Mrs. Potts leads Belle to the room where Be Our Guest is sung. Belle talks to her after the song.
The West Wing confrontation is similar, but this version is also more tragic.
After the wolf fight, Belle has the Beast stand, so she can help him.
Maurice, with Gaston and LeFou, are in the woods and hear the wolves. Maurice says they're close, but Gaston tires of the wait and of Maurice. Gaston confronts him and threatens him, while LeFou holds him back and calms him. Maurice angers him further and Gaston knocks him out and leaves him for the wolves, despite LeFou being uncomfortable with it.
Instead of taking care of the Beast in the chair, Belle takes care of him while he's in his bed.
The Beast's father is revealed to have been the one who twisted the Prince and made him who he was, and the servants explain that they did nothing about that, so they are equally guilty for the curse. Nice/dark backstory for the Prince and his parents. The servants then explain what happens when the last petal falls, when Belle asks. But they do not tell her that he must and be loved in return.
Belle takes more care of the Beast and learns he knows Shakespeare and has had an expensive education. A small cute confrontation happens when Beast wants to get up. He then takes her to the castle library and gives it to Belle.
They slowly start being friends. Beast watching Belle read while doing some reading himself.
The time they have together is greatly expanded upon. Moreso than the animated film. There is even a nod to the new Beauty and the Beast Lost in a Book novel with the Beast showing Belle a blank book that can take them anywhere, but only in imagination.
LeFou keeps getting after Gaston, wanting to go rescue Maurice. But Maurice bursts into the tavern and confronts Gaston for nearly killing him, and when confronted by the villagers, Gaston fakes being worried about Maurice and happy he is safe and alive. Gaston then turns the villagers against Maurice, first asking if they are to believe there's a castle with a beast that they somehow have never seen, then goes on to talk how he had saved the village and Maurice has no proof against Gaston.
Maurice turns to LeFou for help, but Gaston uses his silver tongue to have LeFou lie. He then plots to have Maurice locked away, just by how he uses his words and Maurice knows something's up.
Lumiere and the other head servants confront the Beast and tell him they need to break the curse that night, and tell him they loved him despite how he was and that since Belle came, they love him because of it and tell him to stop being a coward.
When the Beast shows Belle her father, they see the village is doing something to him. He then lets her go to him.
After his talk with the servants and apologizing, the Beast climbs the castle.
Pere Robert, a nice man, tries to stop D'Arque from taking Maurice to the asylum. Belle then comes to her father's rescue.
Belle's confrontation with the villagers is also very different, all through the Mob song. Belle is tossed into the cell wagon with her father, while D'Arque stands guard.
While the mob tries to get into the castle, Cogsworth warns the Beast.
In the wagon, Belle explains everything to her father, and he helps her escape.
Gaston is among the mob during the battle and uses LeFou as a human shield. He then discovers Cogsworth coming from the West Wing, kicks him down the stairs and goes after the Beast.
While the battle rages on, no one sees Agathe the old woman enter the castle and looking a bit different, walks calmly past the battle and towards the Beast's room.
The villagers flee from the castle. And Mrs Potts falls from her high point. Before she hits the ground, LeFou saves her and switches sides, because of what Gaston has turned into.
When Belle bursts through the doors, Lefou tells her where Gaston is and Belle gives chase.
Gaston battles the Beast, mainly with a gun. Belle joins the fight and Gaston falls off the turrent because of Belle trying to take his gun, but he manages to swing himself through a window and lands inside. Gaston sees Belle running toward the Beast on a lower turrent than he was on. He gets out his bow and arrows and shoots the Beast. The Beast pulls out the arrow and disapears. Belle attacks Gaston, trying first to try and break the leather holder of his arrows free, then when that fails, starts breaking his arrows. He is about ready to slap Belle when he sees the Beast who is moving slowly because of the wounds. Gaston shoves Belle away and gives chase.
Beast, eventually sees Belle and starts going to her, but Gaston attacks with a stone spire. The battle leads them to land on an old worn foot bridge and while Beast tries to cross it to get to Belle, Gaston finds his rifle (which landed there when he fell off the turrent), and ignoring it, attacks again with the spire, but the Beast breaks and and does the classic scene of grabbing Gaston by the throat and Gaston begs for his life.
The Beast lets Gaston go and leaps to the balcony where Belle is. He is then shot by Gaston's rifle. Gaston shoots again, "The Bullet flew from the air and slammed into the Beast, who fell to the ground. But Gaston's luck had just run out. His weight, the decay of the footbridge, and the heavy recoil of the rifle proved too much. Before he could let out a triymphant shout, the stones beneath his feet gave way completely. In an instant, there was only empty air - and a long drop into nothingness - under him. Lifting her head, Belle saw Gaston - and his horrible rifle - disappear in a cascade of stones."
The Beast has his quiet moment with Belle, then dies and the servants turn completely into lifeless objects.
Unknown to Belle, Agathe had silently entered the Beast's room and hearing Belle pronounce her love, she touches the rose jar, which turns to gold dust and envelop the Besdt, turning him back to human as well as alive.
Inside the castle all the objects transform back into humans and all the villagers who fled the castle enter, having regained their memory of friends and loved ones.
Jean the Potter who is in the movie a bit is revealed to be Mr. Potts and is overjoyed at having his memory back.
Everyone is happy and Agathe smiles and leaves.
The epilogue ends with Belle thinking of turning the library into a place of learning.
It opens with a giant party the Prince is throwing. Being VERY vain, he invites only those who he deems as beautiful as himself. The party is interupted by a Begger Woman, who is looking for shelter from the storm. The Prince refuses her even when she says she can go elsewhere in the castle, but he refuses again and acts rude and cruel. She then transforms into an Enchantress and the Prince begs for forgiveness. The Enchantress refuses and transforms him in from of everyone. She then curses the all who live inside the castle as well as everyone else. The castle is also covered in enternal winter.
In the village, Belle has made friends of Agathe, an old woman who is an outcast in the village.
Gaston, though a hunter was also a war vet. As for LeFou, he is Gaston's biggest fan and an old friend of his who joined the war with him. LeFou also has more sense than Gaston.
Belle's father talks to Belle a bit about her mother, after she asks if he finds her odd.
Instead of wanting to show off an invention at a fair, Maurice loads a cart with the music boxes he made to sell at a large market a few towns over. He asks Belle what she would like and she requests a rose.
While her father is away, Belle teaches a little girl how to read.
They are discovered by a headmaster a some other villagers. Some outraged some cheering Belle on. Gaston barges in and thinks he is coming to her rescue, but all he does is help end the lesson and everyone leaves.
After Maurice's encounter with the wolves, he enters the castle and is given food and warmth. Though when he sees the objects are alive, he flees. He grabs his horse, but sees a rose. He takes it and the Beasts confronts him.
Belle still makes a deal with the Beast to release her father, but it is altered greatly and in a good way. She bargains for her father, her father refuses, then Belle tricks him and sacrifices herself to free him.
Lumiere frees Belle and gives her a room without the Beast's consent. He also lies to her and says that her having her own room was his master's idea. Cogsworth, of course, is against the whole thing, but Lumiere convinces him to go along with it. Belle is terrified at first when she sees the two.
The two try their best to befriend Belle, while she is still startled and Cogsworth is the one who tells her to stay away from the West Wing.
In the bedroom, she meets Plumette and Garderobe as well. Some pretty funny scenes.
The three bimbos are barely mentioned just fyi.
When Maurice goes to Gaston for help, instead of throwing him out, Gaston tells him to lead the way and he and LeFou follow.
The Beast finds out about Belle and confronts Lumiere and Cogsworth. Though they convince him to allow it.
Beast's 'dinner confrontation' with Belle is also different.
Belle EASILY figures out that the castle and its inhabitants are cursed.
Mrs. Potts leads Belle to the room where Be Our Guest is sung. Belle talks to her after the song.
The West Wing confrontation is similar, but this version is also more tragic.
After the wolf fight, Belle has the Beast stand, so she can help him.
Maurice, with Gaston and LeFou, are in the woods and hear the wolves. Maurice says they're close, but Gaston tires of the wait and of Maurice. Gaston confronts him and threatens him, while LeFou holds him back and calms him. Maurice angers him further and Gaston knocks him out and leaves him for the wolves, despite LeFou being uncomfortable with it.
Instead of taking care of the Beast in the chair, Belle takes care of him while he's in his bed.
The Beast's father is revealed to have been the one who twisted the Prince and made him who he was, and the servants explain that they did nothing about that, so they are equally guilty for the curse. Nice/dark backstory for the Prince and his parents. The servants then explain what happens when the last petal falls, when Belle asks. But they do not tell her that he must and be loved in return.
Belle takes more care of the Beast and learns he knows Shakespeare and has had an expensive education. A small cute confrontation happens when Beast wants to get up. He then takes her to the castle library and gives it to Belle.
They slowly start being friends. Beast watching Belle read while doing some reading himself.
The time they have together is greatly expanded upon. Moreso than the animated film. There is even a nod to the new Beauty and the Beast Lost in a Book novel with the Beast showing Belle a blank book that can take them anywhere, but only in imagination.
LeFou keeps getting after Gaston, wanting to go rescue Maurice. But Maurice bursts into the tavern and confronts Gaston for nearly killing him, and when confronted by the villagers, Gaston fakes being worried about Maurice and happy he is safe and alive. Gaston then turns the villagers against Maurice, first asking if they are to believe there's a castle with a beast that they somehow have never seen, then goes on to talk how he had saved the village and Maurice has no proof against Gaston.
Maurice turns to LeFou for help, but Gaston uses his silver tongue to have LeFou lie. He then plots to have Maurice locked away, just by how he uses his words and Maurice knows something's up.
Lumiere and the other head servants confront the Beast and tell him they need to break the curse that night, and tell him they loved him despite how he was and that since Belle came, they love him because of it and tell him to stop being a coward.
When the Beast shows Belle her father, they see the village is doing something to him. He then lets her go to him.
After his talk with the servants and apologizing, the Beast climbs the castle.
Pere Robert, a nice man, tries to stop D'Arque from taking Maurice to the asylum. Belle then comes to her father's rescue.
Belle's confrontation with the villagers is also very different, all through the Mob song. Belle is tossed into the cell wagon with her father, while D'Arque stands guard.
While the mob tries to get into the castle, Cogsworth warns the Beast.
In the wagon, Belle explains everything to her father, and he helps her escape.
Gaston is among the mob during the battle and uses LeFou as a human shield. He then discovers Cogsworth coming from the West Wing, kicks him down the stairs and goes after the Beast.
While the battle rages on, no one sees Agathe the old woman enter the castle and looking a bit different, walks calmly past the battle and towards the Beast's room.
The villagers flee from the castle. And Mrs Potts falls from her high point. Before she hits the ground, LeFou saves her and switches sides, because of what Gaston has turned into.
When Belle bursts through the doors, Lefou tells her where Gaston is and Belle gives chase.
Gaston battles the Beast, mainly with a gun. Belle joins the fight and Gaston falls off the turrent because of Belle trying to take his gun, but he manages to swing himself through a window and lands inside. Gaston sees Belle running toward the Beast on a lower turrent than he was on. He gets out his bow and arrows and shoots the Beast. The Beast pulls out the arrow and disapears. Belle attacks Gaston, trying first to try and break the leather holder of his arrows free, then when that fails, starts breaking his arrows. He is about ready to slap Belle when he sees the Beast who is moving slowly because of the wounds. Gaston shoves Belle away and gives chase.
Beast, eventually sees Belle and starts going to her, but Gaston attacks with a stone spire. The battle leads them to land on an old worn foot bridge and while Beast tries to cross it to get to Belle, Gaston finds his rifle (which landed there when he fell off the turrent), and ignoring it, attacks again with the spire, but the Beast breaks and and does the classic scene of grabbing Gaston by the throat and Gaston begs for his life.
The Beast lets Gaston go and leaps to the balcony where Belle is. He is then shot by Gaston's rifle. Gaston shoots again, "The Bullet flew from the air and slammed into the Beast, who fell to the ground. But Gaston's luck had just run out. His weight, the decay of the footbridge, and the heavy recoil of the rifle proved too much. Before he could let out a triymphant shout, the stones beneath his feet gave way completely. In an instant, there was only empty air - and a long drop into nothingness - under him. Lifting her head, Belle saw Gaston - and his horrible rifle - disappear in a cascade of stones."
The Beast has his quiet moment with Belle, then dies and the servants turn completely into lifeless objects.
Unknown to Belle, Agathe had silently entered the Beast's room and hearing Belle pronounce her love, she touches the rose jar, which turns to gold dust and envelop the Besdt, turning him back to human as well as alive.
Inside the castle all the objects transform back into humans and all the villagers who fled the castle enter, having regained their memory of friends and loved ones.
Jean the Potter who is in the movie a bit is revealed to be Mr. Potts and is overjoyed at having his memory back.
Everyone is happy and Agathe smiles and leaves.
The epilogue ends with Belle thinking of turning the library into a place of learning.
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If this is indeed part of the remake, I can definitely say they have MORE than made up for the original film's various short-comings. And Gaston actually DOES demonstrate his cunning in this, rather than outright blurting out key details of his evil plan to everyone in the room (which was a clear violation of "show, don't tell"), and from what I can tell, Belle's actually nicer in this than in the original film, certainly far less of a jerk. I'd also guess that Belle doesn't blame Beast at all for her transgression of the West Wing, am I right?
Probably the only issues I might have had with this are that Agathe still cursed Chip despite his having absolutely nothing to do with the Prince's vile behavior (he's a kid for goodness sakes, how can he be responsible for what the Prince did or became anyway?), and Gaston begging for his life as usual. Though, I'll probably forgive that latter bit considering even LeFou acknowledged he changed for the worse, implying that Gaston originally wouldn't have been the type to beg. While I would ordinarily be upset that the triplets didn't get the villain treatment in this, their barely being mentioned is probably a good enough consolation prize as well (it's not necessarily that I hate them, so much as I thought they were characterized badly in the original film. If anything, I actually have more trust in them than Belle right now in the animated version.). I just hope Belle does indeed have a foil with this, though her being evidently pure of heart especially compared to the original movie would probably make up for a lack of a foil in either case.
So, if I'm reading this right, Belle DOESN'T squeal about the Beast to the present mob in this? I'd say this is in fact one of the biggest improvements as well, considering Belle in the original film was pretty much the reason why the castle was attacked and Beast and the servants nearly got killed, all due to sheer stupidity on her part. If this was in fact changed, I think I can now officially say that most of my issues with Belle are terminated, maybe even all of them. That being said, that only applies to Live Action Belle, though. I'm still working on that fanfiction on the triplets within the animated continuity (the original film, the midquels, the Disney Comic line, the Marvel Comics line, maybe even Royal Weddings), and for the sequel, you're probably not going to like how Belle turns out (you know Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater and The Boss's defection? Well, let's just say Belle genuinely sides with the fanfiction's equivalent of Colonel Volgin for the French Revolution. Oh, and in both fanfictions, I will say that the equivalent to Agathe is NOT a good person at all [sorry, but I can't forgive Agathe for explicitly cursing children like she did with Chip.].).
I must admit, I initially had some hesitation regarding Emma Watson's revamping of Belle due to her politics, but now that I've read this, I'd say that I think I have to thank her. I also noticed that they matched some of my suggestions to her (I think the only bit that isn't readily apparent is the bit about whether Belle would be a critical thinker regarding her literature), not saying that she actually used my ideas (besides, when I DID try to suggest these things to her via email, and later to her fan magazine, they told me they had already finished filming, so any similarities may have been coincidental). I'd probably even go so far as to say it's even MORE conservative than the original Disney film.
Probably the only issues I might have had with this are that Agathe still cursed Chip despite his having absolutely nothing to do with the Prince's vile behavior (he's a kid for goodness sakes, how can he be responsible for what the Prince did or became anyway?), and Gaston begging for his life as usual. Though, I'll probably forgive that latter bit considering even LeFou acknowledged he changed for the worse, implying that Gaston originally wouldn't have been the type to beg. While I would ordinarily be upset that the triplets didn't get the villain treatment in this, their barely being mentioned is probably a good enough consolation prize as well (it's not necessarily that I hate them, so much as I thought they were characterized badly in the original film. If anything, I actually have more trust in them than Belle right now in the animated version.). I just hope Belle does indeed have a foil with this, though her being evidently pure of heart especially compared to the original movie would probably make up for a lack of a foil in either case.
So, if I'm reading this right, Belle DOESN'T squeal about the Beast to the present mob in this? I'd say this is in fact one of the biggest improvements as well, considering Belle in the original film was pretty much the reason why the castle was attacked and Beast and the servants nearly got killed, all due to sheer stupidity on her part. If this was in fact changed, I think I can now officially say that most of my issues with Belle are terminated, maybe even all of them. That being said, that only applies to Live Action Belle, though. I'm still working on that fanfiction on the triplets within the animated continuity (the original film, the midquels, the Disney Comic line, the Marvel Comics line, maybe even Royal Weddings), and for the sequel, you're probably not going to like how Belle turns out (you know Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater and The Boss's defection? Well, let's just say Belle genuinely sides with the fanfiction's equivalent of Colonel Volgin for the French Revolution. Oh, and in both fanfictions, I will say that the equivalent to Agathe is NOT a good person at all [sorry, but I can't forgive Agathe for explicitly cursing children like she did with Chip.].).
I must admit, I initially had some hesitation regarding Emma Watson's revamping of Belle due to her politics, but now that I've read this, I'd say that I think I have to thank her. I also noticed that they matched some of my suggestions to her (I think the only bit that isn't readily apparent is the bit about whether Belle would be a critical thinker regarding her literature), not saying that she actually used my ideas (besides, when I DID try to suggest these things to her via email, and later to her fan magazine, they told me they had already finished filming, so any similarities may have been coincidental). I'd probably even go so far as to say it's even MORE conservative than the original Disney film.
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I'd also guess that Belle doesn't blame Beast at all for her transgression of the West Wing, am I right?
No more than the animated film with their fun little bickering. "If you hadn't run away, this wouldn't have happened", ect.
Agathe still cursed Chip despite his having absolutely nothing to do with the Prince's vile behavior
Belle pretty much says the same thing about all the servants and Mrs Potts' reply is basically if good people do nothing, they are equal to blame.
So, if I'm reading this right, Belle DOESN'T squeal about the Beast to the present mob in this?
She does. But it's more believable.
Belle: My father's not crazy! Gastontell him!
Gaston: Belle, you know how loyal I am to your family, but your father has been making some unbelievable claims.
Jean: It's true. He's been raving about a beast in a castle.
Belle: But I have just come from the castle. There IS a beast!
Gaston: We all admire your devotion to your father, but you'd say anything to free him. Your word is hardly proof.
Belle: You want proof? *takes out the mirror* Show me the Beast! There is your proof!
So yeah, like the animated film, she is the one who reveals the Beast, but this is more believable since she is panicing and is unable to have a clear head since her father is being carted off.
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No more than the animated film with their fun little bickering. "If you hadn't run away, this wouldn't have happened", ect.
I'm not sure I would have called the original film's version "fun bickering", considering it came across far more seriously there. But if this was just playful bickering in this, and not a serious argument that was treated seriously, I think I can also say it's better than the original film, leagues better.
Belle pretty much says the same thing about all the servants and Mrs Potts' reply is basically if good people do nothing, they are equal to blame.
Sorry, I should have been a bit more specific: I meant he had absolutely nothing to do with the Prince's vile behavior overall, not JUST his treatment to Agathe, and I'm not sure, due to him being a little kid, he was really able to do anything to stop the prince from acting badly.
She does. But it's more believable.
Belle: My father's not crazy! Gastontell him!
Gaston: Belle, you know how loyal I am to your family, but your father has been making some unbelievable claims.
Jean: It's true. He's been raving about a beast in a castle.
Belle: But I have just come from the castle. There IS a beast!
Gaston: We all admire your devotion to your father, but you'd say anything to free him. Your word is hardly proof.
Belle: You want proof? *takes out the mirror* Show me the Beast! There is your proof!
So yeah, like the animated film, she is the one who reveals the Beast, but this is more believable since she is panicing and is unable to have a clear head since her father is being carted off.
Well, I can definitely agree with you in that it was a LOT more believable, especially considering in that case, she WAS panicking and not thinking straight compared to the original film, where she was thinking straight enough to realize Gaston was the reason why the village was trying to have her dad locked up in order to force her hand in marriage.
So, I guess Gaston no longer seems to be focused on trying to get Belle's hand in marriage, then, or at least, not to the same extent as the original film? His trying to have Maurice locked up was more to cover his own butt for leaving him to the mercy of the wolves, not to force Belle's hand in marriage? Well, Gaston certainly increased in terms of villainy there, because honestly, I did find his fixation on Belle in the original film to be a bit stupid, especially when they had the triplets coming closer to the "most beautiful woman" description thanks to their looking like they came straight from the Dead or Alive franchise.
EDIT: So, what happened to Belle's mom, anyway?
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Sorry, I should have been a bit more specific: I meant he had absolutely nothing to do with the Prince's vile behavior overall, not JUST his treatment to Agathe, and I'm not sure, due to him being a little kid, he was really able to do anything to stop the prince from acting badly.
True. But he DID live in the castle. So he was going to go down with them. Just like the dog.
So, I guess Gaston no longer seems to be focused on trying to get Belle's hand in marriage, then, or at least, not to the same extent as the original film?
Oh, he is still focused on that. Probably heavier here than the animated film.
His trying to have Maurice locked up was more to cover his own butt for leaving him to the mercy of the wolves, not to force Belle's hand in marriage?
Correct. That and also as revenge since he couldn't kill Maurice. You see, the reason Gaston knocked out Maurice and left him to die is because the argument that clinched it was Maurice seeing Gaston's true colors and telling him outright that he won't have Belle. And when Maurice confronts Gaston about leaving him to die, he embarrassed Gaston in front of everyone and it was hard for Gaston to have everyone turn against Maurice. So yes, it is to cover his butt as well as revenge.
As for Belle's mother, it is highly hinted that she was killed by the people where they lived before the small town because she was too smart for her own good.
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True. But he DID live in the castle. So he was going to go down with them. Just like the dog.
Yeah, I know, but I still find it very unforgivable that she did that. I can understand why she'd curse the other servants, they were after all responsible for how the prince turned out. But cursing children, harming them in any way, is simply inexcusable by any stretch, so don't expect me to be a fan of her.
Oh, he is still focused on that. Probably heavier here than the animated film.
Well, at least the triplets are no-shows for the most part in the movie, so we can reasonably infer that Belle was indeed the most beautiful woman there with little to no contradictions (I still find it a bit stupid that they made the triplets look like they came straight out of Dead or Alive and thus arguably outrank Belle in terms of beauty).
Correct. That and also as revenge since he couldn't kill Maurice. You see, the reason Gaston knocked out Maurice and left him to die is because the argument that clinched it was Maurice seeing Gaston's true colors and telling him outright that he won't have Belle. And when Maurice confronts Gaston about leaving him to die, he embarrassed Gaston in front of everyone and it was hard for Gaston to have everyone turn against Maurice. So yes, it is to cover his butt as well as revenge.
Yeah, that definitely works very well. Certainly far better than Gaston basically gloating his evil plan in front of the tavern and everyone cheering him on. That was just stupid.
On a related note, I'm also glad that they actually DID attempt to investigate the castle. I always found it to be pretty stupid that the villagers would not even be aware of the castle that's literally just a walk away and treat Maurice as insane as a result. And even the way this film did it was justified due to amnesia, and Gaston just being a good liar.
As for Belle's mother, it is highly hinted that she was killed by the people where they lived before the small town because she was too smart for her own good.
Hmm not sure what to make of that one, TBH. I hope Belle's mom's "too smart for her own good" didn't have anything to do with her being literate and more she used her smarts for less decent things (think Paige's mom in Scorpion and how she was a con artist), because I always had a problem with the claim that women weren't allowed to read at all or get an education at all until the 1960s, since I know a few women who were literate and educated well before that time (heck, the original authors for Beauty and the Beast, both the short story and novella, were women). Still, based on the fact that the villagers were split evenly on Belle teaching a girl how to read, I'd say the small town's a bit more tolerant of Belle's literacy than in the original film.
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Oops. I was wrong about the mother. My bad. She died in Paris from a plague.
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Okay, that works, and is definitely better than the original statement.
Plague, huh? So, assuming this is indeed the 18th century like in the original film, that would imply that Belle would have been born during the Great Plague of Marsellaise in 1720.
Plague, huh? So, assuming this is indeed the 18th century like in the original film, that would imply that Belle would have been born during the Great Plague of Marsellaise in 1720.
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I highly doubt Belle remembers the plague. She only knows her mother through her father's stories and has no memories of their old home, so that means she was a baby or toddler when she died and probably when they went to the village as well.
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Eh, realized that after posting it, hence why I altered it. Though unless they changed the century the story takes place in, we can reasonably assume the placement of the film as being the early-mid 18th century from that. I'd say that means it's safe to say Belle WON'T become a Jacobin, at least, not the live action Belle. The animated Belle's still too much of a risk, unfortunately.
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otness_e and marauteatime , the points you have discussed are really interesting . i am so excited for the movie. do you think that movie will be a little or much different than the novel??? Also, is the name of prince mentioned in the novel or we will get the name in movie? do you like the new developments? is the belle mentioned as inventor in novel, as emma confirmed ''belle will be inventor in the movie, and will invent some sort of washing machine? '' haha, so many questions. love you guys
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do you think that movie will be a little or much different than the novel???
Well, considering the novels to Moana, Pete's Dragon, The Jungle Book and Maleficent were VERY close to the movie, I believe this one will be as well. I have no idea on the final changes though, so I have only half the story so to speak.
Also, is the name of prince mentioned in the novel or we will get the name in movie?
The Prince is not given a name.
do you like the new developments?
I love them.
is the belle mentioned as inventor in noveel
No. So if what she said is true, one of two things happened. Either it got scrapped or is something that was added for the movie.
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thanks that Great Plague of Marsellaise theory makes sense, really interesting. maurice ( with belle as child) had to leave that place because of bad economic condition or maybe because of some other reason
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you guys must watch Grace's shot by shot analysis of the trailer. she has pointed out a lot of amazing things, which we did not notice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyU_UmGakiU&t=1261s
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Oh I noticed plently. Did my own shot by shot, minus making a video. And an ACTUAL shot by shot. Not just stopping for the scenes I want to look at most. I also looked at the children's book and the Behind the Scenes book of the live action movie and the animated movie.
I am VERY conflicted when I watch Grace since, for me anyway, she has been proven to be an idiot. I started thinking that only since the Deadpool trailers came out and very rarely do I find her smart. That's my opinion though. When you compare an awesome shot from a Deadpool trailer to Nazis, then claim to be a Deadpool fan and yet know so little, you loose all credibility to me. :/
I am VERY conflicted when I watch Grace since, for me anyway, she has been proven to be an idiot. I started thinking that only since the Deadpool trailers came out and very rarely do I find her smart. That's my opinion though. When you compare an awesome shot from a Deadpool trailer to Nazis, then claim to be a Deadpool fan and yet know so little, you loose all credibility to me. :/
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Like I said, I've never made one. I do them privately. Wish I COULD do a video, but for whatever reason, Youtube will only allow me to upload a video that's I think two minutes or less. If I wanted to make a video, I'd have to post it on like Dailymotion or something.
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I guess I COULD do it on Facebook, but it will take me a day to a week to figure out this new video thing I downloaded. If I can figure it out, I can send a link here.
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So yeah, like the animated film, she is the one who reveals the Beast, but this is more believable since she is panicing and is unable to have a clear head since her father is being carted off.
I'm pretty sure she was panicking in the animated film too.
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Not really, she managed to pretty quickly deduce in the original film that Gaston IS the reason her dad's being arrested, all to force her to marry him. Someone who's panicked probably wouldn't be able to think straight and deduce something like that.
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Not really, she managed to pretty quickly deduce in the original film that Gaston IS the reason her dad's being arrested, all to force her to marry him. Someone who's panicked probably wouldn't be able to think straight and deduce something like that.
No, she didn't.
She says, and I quote.
Gaston: "Poor Belle. It's a shame about your father"
Belle: "You know he's not crazy, Gaston!" (Pleading)
She thinks Gaston will help her at that point, not that he's behind it. And he says "I might be able to clear up this little misunderstanding if"
And she goes "If?"
"If you marry me."
She didn't deduce it, though he practically told her but she never confronts him on it. She says in a gasped whisper "Wha?"
"One little word, Belle. That's all it takes."
"Never!"
"Have it your way."
And then as her father's screaming for her, being dragged away.
"My father's not crazy, and I can prove it!" It's literally the same line in the live action movie. You have a weirdly distorted memory
My God! The way you interpret things it's just so so so messed up. First calling her a jerk for things that didn't actually happen the way you remember them and justifying / sympathizing with some very creepy behavior and now this!
It was still a panicked response. She hadn't guessed Gaston was all behind it but even if she had that's not a hard thing to "deduce" while panicking. Just Wow "She couldn't have figured it out while panicking." While he's practically telling her?! What IS the matter with you!???
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Ah, actually, that IS deducing it. Why else would she say "what?!" in a clearly shocked and angered tone when he said "If you marry me", and then "never!" when he pressures her? And then she tells him that he's the true monster when he refers to Beast as a monster, something she wouldn't do unless she deduced he was the reason the mob was present as part of blackmail.
And the thing about panicking is, even the most simple solutions or conclusions are out of your grasp because you don't think straight when in a panic (for a good example: When you're cornered by someone trying to kill you, and you see a gun lying just inches from you, instead of going for the simple solution of getting the gun and then trying to shoot the guy, you just grab a plank of wood and try to beat that person with it, ignoring the possibility that the guy would probably just yank it away from you if he even feels the attack anyways). I'd know because I've been there. That in other words means she actually WOULD miss what was blackmail and not deduce it precisely BECAUSE she was in a panic. So no, when she was able to deduce easily what Gaston is doing, she pretty clearly isn't in a panic.
And the thing about panicking is, even the most simple solutions or conclusions are out of your grasp because you don't think straight when in a panic (for a good example: When you're cornered by someone trying to kill you, and you see a gun lying just inches from you, instead of going for the simple solution of getting the gun and then trying to shoot the guy, you just grab a plank of wood and try to beat that person with it, ignoring the possibility that the guy would probably just yank it away from you if he even feels the attack anyways). I'd know because I've been there. That in other words means she actually WOULD miss what was blackmail and not deduce it precisely BECAUSE she was in a panic. So no, when she was able to deduce easily what Gaston is doing, she pretty clearly isn't in a panic.
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Ah, actually, that IS deducing it. Why else would she say "what?!" in a clearly shocked and angered tone
What!? What!? What did I just read!? is this a symptom of some weird form of autism? I'm not trying to be offensive here but holy sht, you're a monster!
No HUMAN thinks like this! Not a health one!
I WOULD have said "What?!"
If I was desperate and my only living parent was being dragged off to an asylum and the man I went to for help said he would only help if I would marry him I would back up horrified and say "What?!" WHO wouldn't!??
What the fk!??!?
My God! I'm actually trembling at the sheer horror and disgust I feel toward you right now. I am GRATEFUL, all of a sudden, that we are losing these boards that CREATURES like you won't haunt decent, sane, reasonable human beings!
My God!
I can't believe you can't comprehend human emotion so basic as being horrified that the person you went to for help said he would only do it if you marry him. That doesn't warren a gasped "What?!" What the Hell, man!??
WHAT are you!? You can't be human!
Did you expect an "Oh, okay, Gaston. Gosh, that's such a romantic way of getting me to marry you, by agreeing to help save my father if I do it. Tehe tehe."
ANY bad situation where the person you go to for help says "Only if you marry me" EARNS a startled and horrified "What?!"
What. the fk is your problem!?? What sort of DEMON expects any other response to being said that when asking for help?
You aren't human!
Get thee behind me, Satan!
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when he pressures her? And then she tells him that he's the true monster when he refers to Beast as a monster, something she wouldn't do unless she deduced he was the reason the mob was present as part of blackmail.
YOU are a monster! YOU! You ARE a soulless monster! NO creature capable of emotion thinks like this! You are EVIL!
If I (as a woman) begged someone to save my only parent as they were being dragged away and their response was "only if you marry me" That in and of itself is monstrous! That is cruel! That is taking advantage of a desperate situation and that is MORE than a enough reason to call someone a monster without figuring out that he is behind it.
I can't believe you need to be told why it's monstrous to blackmail someone into marriage. And him telling her that he would only help her if she marries him IS blackmail (even without knowing he caused it) that caveat = marriage for help is blackmail and MOST women would call a demon that does that a monster. There's no one with a soul who wouldn't call that ultimatum "If you marry me" monstrous.
A MAN does not tell a woman he would only help her if she marries him. THAT warrants being called a monster, by itself.
The fact that you don't think simply being told "I might be able to clear this up If you marry me" is monstrous is SICK! What IS WRONG WITH YOU!??
You have to be trolling or someone buried and revived you in Stephen King's Pet Cemetery. No one is this heartless by accident.
And yes, she was panicking, I'm panicking that you actually might believe what you just said! That someone THAT evil can exist!
Get thee behind me, Satan!
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If I was in Belle's situation regarding Maurice being locked up, and some nut tried to blackmail me into marrying her by orchestrating it in the first place? What I would have done is grab something nearby, knock that crazy person upside the head hard enough to knock her out, knock a villager out without being seen, steal the torch, set the paddywagon on fire, and while the villagers were trying to find water, I'd get my dad, then grab Chip and the Magic Mirror, and then high-tail it out of there and make sure I'm not followed. That's how I would do it. It would save my dad without even risking the Beast or the enchanted servants' lives. And it wouldn't even require much physical ability either.
And actually, I DO think it's monstrous and sick that Gaston would say that, and in fact, that's EXACTLY the reason why I was disturbed that Belle would STILL get the mirror and show the people that reflection, at the sheer idiocy of her plan. Here's my train of thinking if I were in her position: If I heard someone say that to me, not only would I deduce that said person was the reason why my dad's being arrested, all to force me to marry her, but I'd also realize quite clearly that if that person was willing to go that far to try and force my hand in marriage, that also means that same person, if she even remotely suspects I have feelings for a female beast, would try to kill that beast due to it being a rival for her affections, and also would result in the servants being killed as collateral damage, and probably result in villagers being killed as well in the same crossfire, and thus I wouldn't even RISK exposing the Beast specifically BECAUSE I know showing the Beast to not only villagers who I would know quite clearly are not willing to listen to reason at all, but also the true ringleader of the whole mob in the first place, would result in far larger casualties. That's not to say I wouldn't save my dad. In fact, I even detailed EXACTLY what I would have done to save my dad if I were in her position, and that most certainly would have reduced the risk of the castle being attacked by the villagers. Maybe not against the Gaston-type character, but certainly the villagers won't follow him. The fact that Belle would even DO something like that just disturbs me precisely because thanks to her actions, the Beast and his servants nearly got killed, even when she definitely should have known better (and since she explicitly deduced Gaston was blackmailing her, she has no excuse for her actions).
And actually, I DO think it's monstrous and sick that Gaston would say that, and in fact, that's EXACTLY the reason why I was disturbed that Belle would STILL get the mirror and show the people that reflection, at the sheer idiocy of her plan. Here's my train of thinking if I were in her position: If I heard someone say that to me, not only would I deduce that said person was the reason why my dad's being arrested, all to force me to marry her, but I'd also realize quite clearly that if that person was willing to go that far to try and force my hand in marriage, that also means that same person, if she even remotely suspects I have feelings for a female beast, would try to kill that beast due to it being a rival for her affections, and also would result in the servants being killed as collateral damage, and probably result in villagers being killed as well in the same crossfire, and thus I wouldn't even RISK exposing the Beast specifically BECAUSE I know showing the Beast to not only villagers who I would know quite clearly are not willing to listen to reason at all, but also the true ringleader of the whole mob in the first place, would result in far larger casualties. That's not to say I wouldn't save my dad. In fact, I even detailed EXACTLY what I would have done to save my dad if I were in her position, and that most certainly would have reduced the risk of the castle being attacked by the villagers. Maybe not against the Gaston-type character, but certainly the villagers won't follow him. The fact that Belle would even DO something like that just disturbs me precisely because thanks to her actions, the Beast and his servants nearly got killed, even when she definitely should have known better (and since she explicitly deduced Gaston was blackmailing her, she has no excuse for her actions).
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I DO think it's monstrous and sick that Gaston would say that
Then why the Hell would you think calling him a monster and gasping at his ultimatum automatically means she deduced he was behind it? The ultimatum is enough to earn being called a monster and would gain a "What?!" from most people given it.
Even if she had deduced it (which she had not) that doesn't change that it's a panicked reaction.
No, you crossed a misogynistic line. I don't know what is wrong with you to make you think that's okay.
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Not really. In the animated film, D'Arque comes to the door and tells Belle they have come to collect her father. The villagers then allow Maurice to talk about the Beast and Belle sees Gaston. She begs him to put a stop to it and he says he will if she marries him. She refuses so he sicks the villagers on her father. Then Belle runs in, grabs the mirror and shows he is not crazy.
In the movie, they already collected Maurice when Belle sees her father in the mirror. In urgency, she takes off to rescue him. When she gets to town, he is inside the wagon, and she demands his release. When D'Arque refuses, Belle turns to Gaston and pleads with him. He refuses to help and says Maurice has been making unbelivable claims and the villagers agree saying he's been raving about a beast in a castle. She tries telling the villagers that he's telling the truth and that she just came from there. Gaston dismisses her claiming she has no proof and that's when she shows the magic mirror and the Beast.
The movie shows more urgency from what I see.
In the movie, they already collected Maurice when Belle sees her father in the mirror. In urgency, she takes off to rescue him. When she gets to town, he is inside the wagon, and she demands his release. When D'Arque refuses, Belle turns to Gaston and pleads with him. He refuses to help and says Maurice has been making unbelivable claims and the villagers agree saying he's been raving about a beast in a castle. She tries telling the villagers that he's telling the truth and that she just came from there. Gaston dismisses her claiming she has no proof and that's when she shows the magic mirror and the Beast.
The movie shows more urgency from what I see.
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Hmmmm I actually read all this. I'm iffy on some things but I have to see how it plays out, if it actually makes the story better or worse. I mean like giving LeFou an actual character arc, is that necessary or almost clich? But maybe it'll be cool. As a kid I liked when "bad sidekicks" turned good so we'll see.
I feel like having the old lady there at the end takes away some of the magic. In the cartoon, it's like the spell/magic acted on its own (without her having to be there to witness anything). But eh that might be fine
Last though, the fact the servants turn into LIFELESS objects after the rose dies seems a lot harsher than just staying talking candlesticks, etc, so, they definitely would have more of a sense of urgency for the beast to find love lol
The learning and teaching kids stuff is a little annoying to me, I liked her reading aloud to sheep and such better and being more of a weird loner but, lol.
Anyway the thing is I'm not really devoted or hardcore fan of the original, though I liked the cartoon as a kid and have had fun watching it since then. I like it better than a lot of other Disney movies. But I'm not a purist with this story so, I'm open to the changes
I feel like having the old lady there at the end takes away some of the magic. In the cartoon, it's like the spell/magic acted on its own (without her having to be there to witness anything). But eh that might be fine
Last though, the fact the servants turn into LIFELESS objects after the rose dies seems a lot harsher than just staying talking candlesticks, etc, so, they definitely would have more of a sense of urgency for the beast to find love lol
The learning and teaching kids stuff is a little annoying to me, I liked her reading aloud to sheep and such better and being more of a weird loner but, lol.
Anyway the thing is I'm not really devoted or hardcore fan of the original, though I liked the cartoon as a kid and have had fun watching it since then. I like it better than a lot of other Disney movies. But I'm not a purist with this story so, I'm open to the changes
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Eh, to be honest, her being a loner due to being literate never made sense to me at all, especially when most women would have known how to read at least the bible anyway.
I personally liked The Little Mermaid far better than Beauty and the Beast, even when I did hold the latter in high regard, long before well, Spring 2011. Maybe it has to do with the fact that it was alongside Red October the first movie I have ever seen, maybe it's because I connected with Ariel due to my struggling with Autism, I don't know. But to each their own.
I personally liked The Little Mermaid far better than Beauty and the Beast, even when I did hold the latter in high regard, long before well, Spring 2011. Maybe it has to do with the fact that it was alongside Red October the first movie I have ever seen, maybe it's because I connected with Ariel due to my struggling with Autism, I don't know. But to each their own.
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Yeah, to each their own. :) My overall favorite as a kid was The Lion King, but Beauty and the Beast comes second. I think now I might even like Beauty and the Beast more. Maybe just because it's more fun/funny and a sibling and I went through this binge of rewatching it multiple times while in college and it was both nostalgic then and fun because we created new memories (Cliche!) So now I'm nostalgic toward that time. Like you said, to to each their own!
I might have worded it weirdI didn't think she was a loner because she was literate. I always saw it as really more because she had the bizarro, atypical "nutty professor" type inventor dad, so some of his weirdness and unsocialbility probably rubbed off on her. They seemed pretty close-knit to each other and not anyone else. I mean yeah, she preferred books over drooling over Gaston, which added to her being odd. I just used to understand it that both her and her father were kind of the oddballs of the town.
I might have worded it weirdI didn't think she was a loner because she was literate. I always saw it as really more because she had the bizarro, atypical "nutty professor" type inventor dad, so some of his weirdness and unsocialbility probably rubbed off on her. They seemed pretty close-knit to each other and not anyone else. I mean yeah, she preferred books over drooling over Gaston, which added to her being odd. I just used to understand it that both her and her father were kind of the oddballs of the town.
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Great outline, thanks! They sure put some thought in deepening the story. I'm on board :)
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Actually, I was meaning to ask you since there's a thread (http://www.imdb.com/board/12771200/board/thread/265713927) asking about the status of the triplets: What was the context of the triplets mention? Perhaps even bring in an excerpt from that book?
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Some of the prologue mimics the novel The Beast Within oh so beautifully. The Prince is JUST like Gaston.
He throws a huge party inviting everyone he deems as beautiful as he is to join. The Begger Woman crashes the party and it feels a bit like Beastly where she knows how his heart truly is. She not only curses those who live in the castle, but like in The Beast Within, she curses everyone else as well, so that they would forget the Prince and the royalty. Hence why no one has ever been to the castle.
They even take scenes straight from the fairy tale. Belle asks her father for a rose while he goes on his trip. When he ends up at the Castle he is fed. When he leaves, he tries to take a rose and the Beast, enraged locks him away.
I am so excited about seeing the movie. March CANNOT come fast enough.