Politics : The evil, intolerant left will not stop bullying the Colorado baker.

Or buy a nice wedding cake and stick a couple of Ken dolls on the top.

People who refuse customers based on their religious beliefs, sexuality, or whatever are backwards ****ing lunatics and the world will be better off when their kind goes extinct.

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We all have beliefs and values, dumbass.

The problem is we are being told we can't have our own and we have to have the beliefs and values of the hypocritical, contradictory left.

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You can have you own set of beliefs and values… but it doesn't mean that you should be allowed to turn away customers who live a lifestyle you don't agree with.

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You sound like a naive little kid.

Do you even work? I'm pretty sure you don't have your own business.

Let's imagine you have your own business where you write stories commissioned by customers online. Or you're a painter. Somebody emails you a request for a painting or story. They'll pay whatever you demand. They love your style and it simply has to be you who creates this artwork for them.

They tell you they want a painting, or a story, that depicts you anally ****ing your mother and cumming in your sister's mouth.

What happens next?

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Do you even work? I'm pretty sure you don't have your own business.

I'm a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company.

They tell you they want a painting, or a story, that depicts you anally ****ing your mother.

What happens next?

lol dude, how else am I supposed to answer that? You gave me a hypothetical where there's really only one answer.

And I get what you're trying to tell me, but refusing someone who wanted you to paint a picture of you ****ing your mother isn't really the same as refusing someone who's getting gay married… at least on the spectrum of things that can be deemed unnatural and/or immoral. Hell, I'm sure most people who are against gay marriage will argue the same.


Might want to try again with something less extreme.

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He’s hitting you with the classic false equivalence, a common tactic of the intellectually challenged. Can’t argue a realistic analogy so he picks one completely out of left field and irrelevant to the topic.


Unless he honestly believes being gay is on par with requesting a painting of incestuous anal rape. If that’s the case he has problems no rorschach test or therapy could remedy.

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The teaching of their faith also declares it normal to punish adultary with stoning. Either defend all aspects of said faith or don’t. Instead they pick and choose which parts to obey and which to ignore . That’s because certain parts can be used to justify discrimination against people who are different than them.

We’ve been seeing through this Con for years. That’s why the law has built in protections to combat bigotry .

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Should a Muslim baker be forced to make a cake containing a picture of Mohammed?

Who gets to arbitrate on these matters of subjective 'taste'? Who decides Christians shouldn't be so sensitive about their 'father', but it's Okay for you to be sensitive about your mother?

How can we ensure fairness?

You don't appear to have looked at this issue deeper than its most superficial layer.

Because you're an idiot.

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What happens next?

rocket creams himself.

What if the person wanted the baker to put a Nazi symbol on the cake?

He's an idiot.

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Right. I wonder if he thinks it would be okay for a business owner not to serve Donald Trump's family, just because he doesn't like him.

Of course. This is the point. Liberalism is not about liberty, it's about taking freedoms away.

Nobody is stopping a gay baker from opening up a bakery and serving gay customers rainbow adorned cakes with popping candy and glitter fondant. Capitalism protects freedoms and ensures that for every person unwilling to do something there's a gap that a willing person can exploit.

Liberalism is the new fascism, where they're more concerned about controlling your thoughts than they are giving you the freedom to think.

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It's very scary.
I think people are being brainwashed.
But I also think it's scary that these people aren't even able to SEE or CONTEMPLATE that there is another possibility.
It is like a lot of the generation of 20 something's right now, care more about the cultural"correctness" of something than they care about the truth. They don't care or even want to contemplate what is True.

I'm across the board with this ****. People who refuse to serve other people because their customer has a lifestyle that is inconsistent with their (the business owner's) beliefs are ****ing ass hats. That goes for dip ****s who refuse to serve Trump supporters.

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That's the problem with dumb kids like you, you have no actual values to defend so it's just "everything goes" and believe everyone should conform to this view. Come back and try again when you have real life experiences. Start with moving out of your parents trailer, getting a job, and a girlfriend. By girlfriend I mean a living, breathing person who does not exist in a chatroom online. Make sure she has a good job, too. She's going to need the money to support you.

So is it like impossible for any of you guys to have a discussion on here? Does everyone just have to start being so mean?


OMG WHY IS EVERYONE SO MEAN!?!?!!!!!!???!!




Dude, people who spend a good portion of the day on a message board trying to troll people into oblivion have no real life experiences… at least no more than someone like myself has had. And I don't care if any of you guys think my value system is ****ed because I think people shouldn't refuse customers of a different lifestyle than their own.

Hungry, you're easily one of my favorite posters and someone who seems incredibly intelligent, but I really don't think you're qualified to come at me for this ****. No offense.

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Many businesses are choosy about who gets their service. Lawyers, artists, actors, writers, journalists, athletes, beauticians, plastic surgeons, professors.

Clothing companies - should they be forced to manufacture garments for every possible size?

Congratulations! You're a complete idiot.

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Many businesses are choosy about who gets their service. Lawyers, artists, actors, writers, journalists, athletes, beauticians, plastic surgeons, professors.

Yeah, they make those choices based on what's best for their business.

Clothing companies - should they be forced to manufacture garments for every possible size?

It'd be cool if they did, but it's understandable why they don't. It's more expensive to make clothing in all sizes.

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Artists, academics, writers and athletes only make choices for profit?

You're a moron.

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Generally speaking, yeah.

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So, when he wrote Animal Farm, George Orwell was looking to profit, and not speak out against the nonsense you're pedalling here?

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There are obviously exceptions, dude. Hence why I said "generally speaking".

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Of course there are exceptions, which is an argument for choice, you ****ing idiot.

You don't even know what you're debating, never mind contributing anything worthwhile to it!

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Not really a fair comparison either. All gay people do is **** people of the same sex. Nazi's hate pretty much all non-whites, seek to remove them from power and/or eradicate them completely.

They're logically immoral. Gay people are immoral based on religious grounds. Considering I'm not a religious person, I can give a **** about whether or not God likes two dudes or two chicks hooking up.

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Isn't this a bit weird though?



Newsweek reports that the baked goods at the center of Scardina's previous complaints to Colorado authorities included a "cake to celebrate Satan's birthday," with "cheesecake frosting" that would feature "a large figure of Satan, licking a 9” black Dildo…an actual working model, that can be turned on before we unveil the cake.

Who gets to decide which groups can be discriminated against and which can't?

Sounds like you're advocating the very thing liberals always claim they're against.

Because you're an idiot.

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Who gets to decide which groups can be discriminated against and which can't?

We can put their names on pieces of paper and put the paper in a hat. The first ten names that get drawn are the ones that will be universally discriminated against.

Sounds like you're advocating the very thing liberals always claim they're against.

Yes, I totally am…

Because you're an idiot.

I'd like to think I'm pretty easy to argue with, and I don't tend to dig my heels in unless I'm arguing about something that I firmly believe to be right. However, that doesn't mean I'm not willing to listen to reason when reason is presented. There's almost no way for me to be able to convince you that you're wrong since you're clearly one of those types who have already made their mind up about something and can't listen to logic or reason.

I'm not one of those types. When you manage to make a convincing argument for why I should change my mind, I will change my mind about something. You have yet to do that. All you are doing is make false equivalencies and then top each and every reply to me off with "you're an idiot". That's not a great way to argue with someone if you're really trying to get them to understand that they're wrong, because all they'll want to do is dig their heels in even further.

But, then again, maybe I am just an idiot and you need to find a simpler way to explain your point to me. This approach you took where you basically say over and over again that you're right and I'm wrong (and an idiot) is too complex for me to understand, my dude.


So yeah… ****in… you can do better. I know you GOT/TWD people like to think of yourselves as people possessing superior intelligence compared to the rest of us. So come on, man. Hit me with your best shot!

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I'm not reading all that. It won't be worth it, of that I can be sure.

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You will read all of it or I'll ****ing beat your ass, dude.

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Right , because being homosexual is absolutely on par with Nazism.


You are a ****ing moron.

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Isn't this a bit weird though??



Newsweek reports that the baked goods at the center of Scardina's previous complaints to Colorado authorities included a "cake to celebrate Satan's birthday," with "cheesecake frosting" that would feature "a large figure of Satan, licking a 9” black Dildo…an actual working model, that can be turned on before we unveil the cake.

Am I? Or are you for totally misinterpreting?

So btw, you would be ok if the baker refused the Nazi cake?

Being gay is not equivalent to Nazism no how many times you repeat it.

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I didn't say it was! But you will not admit that you think it is okay not to bake a Nazi cake for someone!
It's an extreme example, but it sounds like you're being the moral police. And I think THATS horrible.

It's not only horrible but it's also tyrannical.

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I think you’re missing the point.

If the law forces a baker to make a cake for a homosexual wedding, which he views as immoral, then by the same token, the law must force a baker to make a cake for a Nazi wedding, which he views as immoral.

What’s moral and immoral in your opinion is not relevant.

All that matters is if a baker has a particular moral view, whether that view be against homosexuality, against white supremacy, against Jews, against Muslims, then the question is whether they should be forced to serve customers that go against their moral principles.

There can be no both ways: you can’t say bakers against homosexuality must serve homosexuals, but bakers against naziism don’t have to serve Nazis. Either both of these are allowed, or none of these are allowed.

It doesn’t matter what the moral beliefs are, or whether not you agree with them personally, what matters is should they be allowed to resist customers on that basis.

Yours may be be the least insightful reply in this thread. You keep saying , “forced” . Nobody is being “forced” , he’s being held accountable by the law set to prevent bigoted practices.

Being against hate speech, a hallmark of Nazism is NOT bigotry. No jury or judge in the world is going to look at these situations as equal. It’s a dumb and desperate argument.

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You're by far the dumbest person in this thread. And Rocket was here.

Well done.

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You haven’t made one good argument in this thread, but you wanna hurl insults .

I’m really wondering if some of you finished High School.

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Wowwwwwww

Um

But they are are equal in the sense that a person is capable of having moral views against them.

A person is capable of being against homosexuality due to their moral views.

A person is capable of being against naziism due to their moral views.

A person is capable of being against rape due to their moral views.

A person is capable of being against men named Fred due to their moral views.

Moral views are subjective. The law cannot respect only certain moral views while disregarding others. All that matters in legal context is that a person has them. Therefore if the law allows exception for one particular moral view, it must allow exceptions for all.

Therefore, if a baker is held accountable by law to bake a cake for a gay wedding, then a baker must be held accountable by law to bake a cake for a nazi wedding.

Do you get it?

You don’t seem to have the mental capacity to keep up so let’s make this simpler.

Being gay is not equal to being Nazi. The later are defined as members of a hate group, the former are people attracted to the same sex.

Go ahead and tell us again how these two groups are the same so I can laugh at how stupid you are.

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Maybe she doesn't care if it's illegal or legal..but she's just agreeing that it is okay for people to retaliate against the baker..in other words she thinks retaliation is okay, even though she doesn't think following one's own convictions in their own business is okay.
And it's possible that she doesn't see the bigger picture here and what type of society this behavior evokes, and what type of government would condone it and even encourage it, and what that means to our way of life.

May I summarize?

She's an idiot.

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I don’t think any of you made it past 11th grade. You start your reply with “maybe she thinks….” argue against your own bullshit and then call the person an idiot .

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So you graduated from false equivalence to straw man. If only you applied the same effort to high school.

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