Benedict Cumberbatch : Some Positivity: What's Your Favorite Moment/Scene from S4?

Some Positivity: What's Your Favorite Moment/Scene from S4?

Let's take a break from the divisiveness of this season. No show or movie is going to satisfy everyone, but let's focus on the PROS!


So hard to pick an episode, let alone a moment!

The one that struck me the most was In 'Final Problem' with Sherlock smashing up Molly's presumed coffin aafter that devastating phone call and lets out a scream of pure rage!

Someone go ahead and hand Ben over that 2nd Emmy award, that he's already deserved for Richard III! His performance in TFP (like or dislike the episode as a whole) makes everything in the award sweeping 'His Last Vow' look like a walk in the damn park!





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The last scene in The Final Problem. Starting when Sherlock begins playing the violin, Eurus joins in, repairing 221b, Mary's tape, "You know where to find me. -SH", everyone popping in and out of 221b, solving crimes again, Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson. Love that scene, the sentiment, the editing, the score.


Do you even know what honor is?
- A horse.

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The last scene in The Final Problem. Starting when Sherlock begins playing the violin, Eurus joins in, repairing 221b, Mary's tape, "You know where to find me. -SH", everyone popping in and out of 221b, solving crimes again, Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson

I agree! That's the reason I hope they submit TFP for the Emmys. That one scene alone deserves to win every technical award, and the rest of the episode can win it the rest of the awards.

But let me add The Hug from TLD. That whole scene was perfect.

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Basically all of TLD except the beat-up scene (I really dislike the way Moffat disregards violence between friends as "not that big of a deal").

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My favorite part of S4 was the night Sherlock spent with Eurus to stop her preventing suicide; especially his speech on the bridge. Your life is not your own to take; your death is something that happens to everyone else.

My sister's suicide at age 37, about 18 years ago, ripped my family apart. Seeing how much pain she caused for the people she loved the most has utterly stopped any suicidal thoughts I have ever had.

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That was my favourite scene from T6T. It was so filled with emotion and seemed so tragic and yet underneath it was very positive and life affirming. Those lines about your life not being your own to take were poetic. And the camera work was superb as well. That video highlighting this scene described everything so very well. Just mastermaking storytelling at its finest.

I can't pick a favourite from the entire season though. I think I can do a fav from each episode. T6T is already covered, so moving on to TLD - my best moment or scene was the reconciliation scene between Sherlock, John and the spirit of Mary. So much going on their emotionally between all three of them. Wonderfully acted (I think I mentioned before that I thought this was THE finest bit of acting from MF I have ever seen in the entire show) by all three of them. And it was so well written, with that element of humour (the whole text sound on Sherlock's phone bit) and yet also getting so serious as well (with John confessing his cheating). Beautiful balance.

And lastly, TFP. I loved everything about this episode, but if I was forced to pick one scene or moment (and I mean forced) I would probably pick the final segment. Like others have said it is the perfection of the intercutting shots, the swelling music, the acting (especially all that eye contact acting between Sherlock and Eurus as they are playing their violins), the direction, the writing (with that heartfelt signing off delivered so perfectly by Mary) - everything was exactly done as it should have been so that by the ending shot of them running through that doorway my heart was almost bursting with happiness.

That, all of that, is just really great storytelling from everyone involved.

:-))


"You're going into the water short-arse!"
- Sherlock

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That really was a fantastic scene, all of Sherlock's 'danger night' with "Faith", but that scene on the bridge especially.
Given what we learned later just gives it more layers and makes it more powerful.

Also, JR, so sorry to hear what your family went through. Hugs to you and yours.


Have a lovely day - John Finnemore

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My sister's suicide at age 37, about 18 years ago, ripped my family apart.

I am so sorry about your sister. I can't imagine how horrible it must have been. I haven't been through that myself, but about 25 years ago a good friend told me she was planning to end her life. It was a complete shock. I was the only person she told, so I had 16d0this massive burden of talking her out of it. The only reason she told me was because she wanted me to do some things after she died. While my mind was exploding, she calmly explained her plan - it would look like an accident to spare her very religious Catholic mother any shame. When she finished speaking, I told her no, I wouldn't help her, and if she did this, I would never forgive her. I'm sure that goes against proper suicide-prevention techniques, but what did I know?

My friend is still alive and well. I wasn't able to talk her out of it, though. She was just too scared to go through with it, and now realizes that she needed professional help back then.

So yes, that scene on the bridge meant a lot to me, too. It was important and beautifully done.

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I told her no, I wouldn't help her, and if she did this, I would never forgive her. I'm sure that goes against proper suicide-prevention techniques, but what did I know?

In the course of my career, I was required to take Suicide Intervention and Grief Counseling classes. During a break in the first SI class, I shared with the trainer that an unusual suicide threat had happened with my daughter. She had been struck down (literally over 18 hours) with a rare neurological disease that left her completely paralyzed the first day. After she survived the first 72 hours when the neurosurgeon told us that she would die, she was in ICU for a month and then transferred to a wonderful rehab hospital down the street.

She had been moved midday, which is always challenging. She still had 100% loss of everything except her throat working well for swallowing and speaking and her eyes being able to function completely. My job at the time was total commission, so no backup wages for time off, even vacation, so I needed the hours. When I arrived in the evening, the first thing she said was that she was not going to live, that she would will herself to die because she could not stand being like this for the rest of her life.

Having worked in the helping profession in several areas, I had expected this to happen, especially knowing my daughter. I asked questions about why she had made the decision so soon before her nerves began to regenerate and asked if the pain meds were not effective, and then if it was because she was afraid this would be it forever? When she said "yes" to everything and that it was her decision to quit, my answer was similar to yours, Milemass,

I told her how much I loved her, always had, and always would; that I would be with her every step of the way however scary it got, yet I completely believed God was going to heal her so she could walk out or the hospital. While I had no idea how long that would take, I promised to be there everyday. However, if she wanted to quit because she did not have either the faith in herself and in her strength, I respected her decision, but I would not be able to support her because it would be too painful and break my heart to watch her quit.

I told her that I loved her and would be praying for her in making this decision because so many people were sending their love, thoughts, prayers, energy, and time in earnest desire for her to heal. (Prior to her transfer, I had a conversation with her father and his wife about this possibility,) He arrived later the same evening and the conversation was repeated.

The next day he went to see her first thing in the morning and she greeted him with: "Well, I have decided to live and I am going to walk out of this hospital." Four 2000and a half very difficult months later, she was able to walk from a wheel chair to the car (about four feet) and was in our patient rehab for 18 months before being released.

I had shared this story with the trainer as being another option when the person is well known to you, He looked at the man who was with us and then at me, replied tersely: "You were completely wrong and ineffective." Then he turned back to the forms they had been viewing, dismissing me. His loss.

My daughter was so glad that she made that leap of faith in herself, her family, friends, strangers, and God. She had many adventures, added to the lives of countless others, and lived with continual pain. God gave her almost twenty years more, for which we were all grateful. The choice to live can be the bravest decision we make, when that choice means walking away from dying as the only alternative.

When Sherlock spoke those words to Faith, I got goosebumps from the strength of his message. People need to hear the words. The promise of being with the person if s/he chooses life is extremely powerful. And never easy.

The Final Problem was very rich with family issues and I could relate at lesser levels to several. The only holes that I saw in the episode were those in the hearts of many characters. What a blessing to see The Final Healing with the Holmes family together for the first time in decades.


A Checkered Life speaks of myriad diverse adventures being the rewards of endless curiosity.

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"You were completely wrong and ineffective."

That's how I felt about the situation with my friend, but I didn't know any better.

I know for a fact that I hadn't talked her out of it. She told me much later that she had planned to do it in a car accident. She waited for a late-night drive on a deserted highway, so that no one else would be injured, and just floored the accelerator. But she didn't get too far because she was pulled over by the police and received a huge fine. She thought it was strange because she drove that highway every day and had never seen a police car. In the back of her mind, she wondered if maybe God had intervened. But she was still planning to try again. Before she had the chance, though, she was involved in a real car accident. She was driving in a snowstorm with another driver lost control and crashed his car into hers. Both vehicles were totalled - but, miraculously, there were no injuries. She told me that during the crash, all she could think was that she didn't want to die! After that, she decided that if God had gone to the trouble of stopping her from dying - twice, then maybe she should be alive.

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My favorite scenes were from TLD: The suicide speech, as others have mentioned, Sherlock madly running around the apartment reciting a scene from Henry V, shooting the wall and then asking Mrs. Hudson for a cup of tea. Loved it. The scene with Mrs. Hudson racing through London (all of her scenes, really) and revealing Sherlock in the boot. Benedict's reading of "The boot was mean!".

"Forget it Jake; it's Chinatown." - NYC Board of Elections

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I loved TLD start to finish!

Arthur, put the kettle on and dig out those lemon hand wipes.

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I thought the entirety of TFP was brilliant. While I completely enjoyed the entire series, TFP literally had me on the edge of my seat for an hour and a half and I applauded at the end.

So many great performances, but I really tip my hat to Sian Brooke. Her searing brilliance in 4 different roles made the entire thing possible. I truly hope that her performance is rewarded at the Emmys.

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I loved just about all of The Lying Detective, especially the scenes with "Faith", the sequence with Sherlock reciting Shakespeare , "are you having an Earthquake!!" and Mrs Hudson taking control.
And I loved just about all of The Final Problem, even though it was so different.

My S4 DVDs are on the way, so I'm looking forward to rewatching T6T to pick up on some favorite scenes there, but from what I remember, I enjoyed the "happy families" scene in Morocco, the quick cuts of manic Sherlock's twitter cases and just about everything with Sherlock and Mycroft (aside from the premise/tone of the first Holmes Brothers sceneit wasn't a satisfying way to pick up the threads of HLV/TAB. YMMV, of course.)

Based on how much TLD and TFP have already rewarded rewatches, I'm looking forward to watching all of S4 again and again.





Have a lovely day - John Finnemore

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Tweeters were asked to submit their favourite gifs from S4. Here's what they posted:
https://twitter.com/anythingbatch/status/823632193478070274

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Thanks, there are some really good ones there!

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Lots of people have mentioned the coffin trashing, and I agree, but I also loved the Molly phone call. Loo was so brilliant with her pain, yearning and anger. I also enjoyed:

Ben. Lol! But, true. He was perfection in hitting all those notes, from screaming and ranting to quiet and understanding. The overblown ego and the death wish all playing out together. He never hits a false note. It's amazing. He's amazing!

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coffin trashing


I totally misinterpreted that scene on the first go, so now it's hard to have the same emotional connection to it. I thought after the phone call when Sherlock looked at Molly's coffin, the "I love you" on it, he realized that Eurus had tricked him into making Molly confess her love, just so those words could be put on the coffin. I thought Sherlock got so angry because he realized that by obeying Eurus he was actually the one who had sealed Molly's fate and the reason she was now dead, and if she hadn't said those words on the coffin she'd still be alive (wellmaybe not. Eurus didn't really play by the "rules" there with those 3 brothers either.) I took the revelation that Eurus had already killed Redbeard/Victor just because he and Sherlock were best mates as further proof that a similar thing had happened with Molly, too.

So when she turned up alive I was relieved (because I didn't want her to die) but at the same time I don't think I can get as moved by the coffin scene anymore because I interpreted the scene as much graver than it actually was.


Do you even know what honor is?
- A horse.

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I liked the very short scene where Sherlock and Euras are sitting under the covering and it's raining. And Sherlock makes a joke. Then later by the river Euras says how nice he is. For an insane character somehow she had learned the difference. But the old Sherlock in season one would have never been that person.

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My newest favorite thing about S4 is that I got the DVD today! Yes, I was pretty excited to see it in the mailbox when I got home from work. Anybody else have theirs?

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I got the DVD today! Yes, I was pretty excited to see it in the mailbox when I got home from work. Anybody else have theirs?

I have my fingers crossed for tomorrow! I saw three different delivery trucks stopped in front of my house today, and I got so excited each time, but it was always for one of the neighbours instead.

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The mailman just dropped off my Sherlock S4 Blu-rays! Yay! I can't wait to watch them over, and over, and over . . .

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When you get a chance (I don't want to disturb your viewing!!!) can you answer a question for me? Are there a good selection of features (bloopers, BTS, discussions about themes, interviews, etc.)?

:-))

"You're going into the water short-arse!"
- Sherlock

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According to the back cover, the bonus features are:
-Behind 221B
-John & Mary's Flat
-Script to Screen
-The Writer's Chat
-Mark Gatiss Video Diary Part One: On Set
-Mark Gatiss Video Diary Part Two: Final Scenes
-Video Diary with Danny Hargreaves
-221B Set Timelapse

So, until I watch it, it's hard to tell whether the Video Diaries will include interviews or bloopers.

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Thanks for the info!!

Happy viewing!

:-))

"You're going into the water short-arse!"
- Sherlock

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I just noticed something about my Blu-rays. The discs themselves say "Season Four", but the cover says "Series Four". I panicked at first, thinking I had ordered the wrong one for my region, but it works fine.

All the other seasons I have are called "Season", and someone on Twitter just posted a picture of their S4 cover, and it also says "season". So why is mine called a "series"?

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Mine says Series Four. I wanted them to include the scene where they dip BC in that black stuff. I read they really did that.
He's just an actor! Wanda Ventham

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Really? If you find it, please let us know. I thought it was cgi.

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If you find it, please let us know. I thought it was cgi.

They've talked about it on Twitter. Claire Pritchard (hair & makeup) said that Benedict loved it. And Danny Hargreaves (special effects) tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/dannysfx/status/822780138467262464
So they used the rig they created for HLV when Mary shot Sherlock and he had to slowly fall backwards. Only this time, he was lowered into that black goo. Some people on Twitter asked what it was - someone hoped it was chocolate because it went into Benedict's mouth! But here's what Danny said:

It was a secret mix of materials to create a Wet and slimy mix of goo totally harmless

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I liked when we saw Mycroft at home watching that old movie. It turns out that it isn't an actual movie, but was created for the show:
https://twitter.com/arwelwjones/status/824386776697622528
It's called "Lady be Bad". The attention to detail in Sherlock is extraordinary!

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OMG! I had no idea! Thanks.

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I thought it was cgi.

I'm pretty sure they can't afford good CGI on the budget given to Sherlock. Instead they use ingenuity, practical effects, fancy camera work and editing.

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Mmm. I'll admit something. I bought season 1,2 and the bride about three weeks ago and shall get season 3 dvd's tuesday from the library.
As I rely on those, I've read the transcripts of season 3 and four.

Well, mind playing has been a topic in fantasy since psychoanalysis invented Freud in the xxth :)
Now, somehow, bending one's principles is sometimes ok.

Somehow it became clear in the hound episode that 'Sherlock' was about to be kind of psychoanalysed In the hard way.

The level of violence is high. Now, compared to what there's in he current news, well. Reading the last third seawon transcript made me think about the fate of the media moghul tyrant/father in Monty Python's fierce creatures and I had a fit of laught about it.

Besides, Air bond reminded me about tv 'intersected' Chuck Funny. Had pretty dark bounds too.

The scandal in bohemia ending I did not get 'right'. I thought the man was actually daydreaming a otherwise incredible scene, on the ground of a guilty conscience for being an accessory into sending someone where no one supposedly wants to go on a mere si!ly matter of prudery and money

I reckon it is your mind and heart. You should see it the way you want, imho.

It is, after all, fiction.


Manelle
"to tax and to please, no more to love and to be wise, is not given to men"

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I love The Lying Detective except at the part of John beating Sherlock.

My favorite is like every one, the don't suicide part, and Sherlock took a long walk to spell out his message to Mycroft.

I also love the scene where Mycroft tried to goad Sherlock to shoot him in TFP but Sherlock then turned on himself.

I love i5b4nside jokes (Michael Scott)

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Smashing the coffin scene was my favourite one in TFP as well, close second the scene with Eurus in the bedroom when he found her and revealed her to be the little girl on the plane, for the first time in the entire episode I felt sorry for her, and her big brother, in spite of everything she had done, was nothing but kind to her. Oh and the moment when Sherlock held the gun to Mycroft and said that it had only taken Eurus 5 minutes to do all of that to them.

My favourite scene in TLD though I would have to say the scene with John towards the end when they're at 221B and John is about to leave Sherlock alone while he waits for Molly to show up for her turn to watch over him. John breaks down about cheating and Sherlock rises from his chair to embrace him and comfort him.

I'm intrigued if there is going to be a season 5, because of the changes in Sherlock. Benedict Cumberbatch said something in one of the S4 dvd special features to the effect that "the humanization" of Sherlock was now complete after TFP.

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I liked TLD very much especially the scenes with Sherlock and fake Faith and the hug.

From the TFP I liked Mycroft when he was preparing to be shot and the hug.
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