Friday the 13th : So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

Or why his mother didn't know he survived? Or why he didn't go home to his mom? Or why he stood by idly and let his mom get killed even though he obviously knew what was happening at the camp since he has her head in the next film? Or why he's a little kid ghoul... thing, in the first movie, but a full grown man in the sequels?

Just curious, not trolling. I just stumbled across parts 1-4 for five bucks in a combo pack, and I'm watching through them for the first time in about a decade. I definitely get where Betsy Palmer came from when she denied knowing anything about Jason, since as she stated, "Why was [Mrs. Vorhees] doing anything of this if he was a alive?"



"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

I wonder who actually saw Jason drowned - It seems no one came out to rescue him from the lake.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

We are also seeing those flashbacks of Jason in the water from Mrs. Voorhees' perspective. It seems unlikely that she was there, so what we are seeing is most likely a re-creation of the events in her mind.

Perhaps she is just a distraught mother who lost a child and needed someone to blame.

Post deleted

This message has been deleted.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?


his mother uses the Necronomicon seen in Jason Goes To Hell


Oh, never seen that one, but at least that explains where the idea to cross Friday the 13th over with Evil Dead originated from. I always wondered.



"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

Jason didn't survive. There were no plans to make a sequel when the film was released. Jason emerging from the lake at the end was simply a device by the director to get one last good scare before the credits rolled. Sean S. Cunningham was inspired by the hand coming out of the grave at the end of Carrie and wanted to do something similar in this film. Jason as an undead killer didn't show up until the second film.

In part 2, it's only explained in a scene taking place around a campfire that Jason's body was never recovered from the lake and that legend has it that he saw his mother beheaded that night. It's only presented as a folk legend which no one takes seriously. It really doesn't make any sense that if he didn't drown and loved his mother that he would just run off into the woods and let his poor mother believe he died and doing nothing as she fought another woman. My guess is that the story was thrown in to justify making Jason the killer since there really was no other way to explain how a character that had been long dead in the first film shows up to seek revenge in the sequel.

You're such a mess, the train wreck stops to watch you!

Post deleted

This message has been deleted.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

It's also possible to consider Alice's sequence at the beginning of Part 2 as a dream sequence that never concludes--and it was actually intended to be a dream sequence initially. So, in that sense, every film after part 1 could be seen a dream Alice had of Jason. Thus, Jason never really existed.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?


It's also possible to consider Alice's sequence at the beginning of Part 2 as a dream sequence that never concludes--and it was actually intended to be a dream sequence initially. So, in that sense, every film after part 1 could be seen a dream Alice had of Jason. Thus, Jason never really existed.


Going with this.

I always thought it was weird that Jason could somehow make his way back to whatever state/city/town that Alice lived and kill her.

Where did he get her address? Did he hitchhike? Can he talk? Was he able to direct the driver? Did he pick up a taxi wherever he was dropped off? Did he pay (and then kill) the driver? No local police saw this strange man walking around town?

Even if he killed everyone he came across on his way to Alice's, how did he know where she lived?

So in light of all these impossible events, everything after the original Friday the 13th never actually happened.

Jason died. Ms. Vorhees was killed. Alice survived.

The End.

Post deleted

This message has been deleted.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

If Jason supposedly drowned because no one was watching him, then who is to say he drowned at all? Maybe he just got fed up with a life of ridicule and went into the woods the be left alone. As much as it pains him to leave his dear mother, he rationalizes that ultimately they will both be better off. The counselors that were supposed to be caring for him last saw him by the lake and thus assumed he drowned. Mrs. V goes insane. Jason goes about his life as a peaceful hermit, assembling his home piece by piece as seen in part 2. The events of part 1 bring him out of hiding just in time to see his mother get be headed. Stricken by grief he takes his mothers head, sweater and machete back to his cabin to build his shrine to her. He slowly grows more and more vengeful and is ridden with guilt about what happened. Eventually he decides to carry on her legacy starting with the one that got away.

Alice meanwhile is plagued with nightmares of a young, decaying boy dragging her underwater to her death. She's obviously psychologically scarred and her encounter with Mrs. Voorhees left a very deep, lasting impression. She has no reason not to believe Mrs. V's story about Jason. The child version we see in part 1 is from Alice's imagination. What she doesn't realize is these nightmares are an omen of things to come.

Or....

He drowned. He came back as a supernatural force of evil hell bent on killing anyone he encounters as an act of vengeance for what happened to him and his mother.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

So, in other words, there's no fixing the plot hole without bending over backwards.



"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

I think part of the fun of being a fan of these movies is trying to use your imagination to fill the plot hole gaps and explain the constant continuity errors. We know by most standards these movies suck and these inexplicable plot holes are a glaring example of why but, fùck it. We love em anyways.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

True. Though I'm mostly a fan of just the first four. In my opinion, whatever standards the series was held to slowly degraded after that.



"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

Yeah the first 4 are classics of the genre. The rest are enjoyable as well but were getting more and more ridiculous and silly along the way. At least 1-4 stayed somewhat grounded.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

He didn't survive, at least not if you take this as a stand-alone film like it was intended to be.

The producers only brought the character of Jason back as a villain in the sequel for monetary reasons. There was no logic behind it other than the need for a sequel to cash in on the original's success.

Jason was an entity built in profit.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

Apparently hes immortal.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

So we need McLeod to come take his head?



"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

He has a death curse!

Thit and thpin!

Post deleted

This message has been deleted.

Post deleted

This message has been deleted.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

The part where Alice is in the canoe and Jason jumps out, that would be a dream. This way, Jason can emerge in part 2 as a full grown man. And Jason saw his mother beheaded or at least knew she been beheaded because he stuck her head in Alice's fridge.


Jason didn't drown. He was swept away and everyone assumed he drowned and no one ever looked for him not even his mother. She was too busy grieving.




Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

Part 2 supposedly takes place enough years after Part 1 for him to have grown up. Of course, that doesn't explain why he's still a child in Part 1 which takes place in 1979 when he supposedly drowned in 1957... The only way this makes any kind of "sense" is if he was actually a dead kid at the bottom of the lake until his mother was killed, at which point he was somehow resurrected to take vengeance, and then he started aging normally until killed and resurrected AGAIN as an undead monster in later parts. Yep, a lot of stretching, but I think it's the best you can do.

Post deleted

This message has been deleted.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

Yeah that makes the most sense in the context of the first movie as a standalone, but if you're trying to retcon the whole series you have to start stretching...

Post deleted

This message has been deleted.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

I am in the minority but I think he is a mutant with a healing factor like Wolverine had originally (Wolverine's healing factor wasn't so fast like it was later)but he couldn't reveal that to his mom or anyone else. Alice dreamed about the boy in the lake but Jason later went after her. This would explain how he is able to get stabbed so much without dying. Tommy was able to kill him though by hacking his head off.

"1-800 Spank me? I know that number." Scott Calvin, The Santa Clause.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

I don't know why so many people find this confusing. He drowned in the 1950s. He came back in the early 1980s. He also terrorized people in the lake over the years while in his child form, as seen at the end of the original movie and in part 8.

It's as if no one is familiar with the concept of coming back to life in a horror movie. The concept which enables this is known as: supernatural. If you want an explanation beyond that, you'll have to invent one, like one involving the devil or whatever, or just go with the part 9 explanation (I don't consider that movie, nor part 10 and FvJ to be a real part of the series though).

I don't dance, tell jokes or wear my pants too tight, but I do know about a thousand songs.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

It's a plot hole the size of Texas but there was just too much money not to be left on the table. The Friday series brought money to Paramount so pesky plot holes like how Jason could be running around killing folks and grow to such an enormous size were of little consequence.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

Too true. Now if they'd already set up the tropes like John Carpenter did in the original Halloween where we know there's something very unnatural about Michael from the very beginning.



"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." -Gandalf

Post deleted

This message has been deleted.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

Jason's body was never found. So nobody actually knows if he drowned.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

It never is explained. It seemed to me he became a DIY survivalist.

Re: So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?

"So did they ever explain how Jason survived drowning?"

————————————–


I think that the answer is Pretty Obvious….."Because's He's Jason Voorhees, That's How!"
Top