Doctor Who : Would the feminists even watch the show once the doctor turned female?

Would the feminists even watch the show once the doctor turned female?

I was just thinking about the people who call doctor who sexist among a number of things, the same people demanding a female doctor.

I've never found the show sexist, if anything the assistant's tend to get more airtime than the doctor, tend to save him quite a lot and so on. It's not like classic who where the assistant was the person who got into trouble for the doctor to save.

So the show isn't really sexist which makes me think the ones demanding a female doctor aren't actually fans. Would they even watch the show once the doctor turned into a female or would they just move onto the next show with new demands.

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Would the feminists even watch the show once the doctor turned female?


Of course they would, if only to meticulously scour each episode for examples of (likely male) writers allegedly not being about to portray female Doctors/characters 'properly'* - i.e. to the fanatical standards your average blue-haired feminist harpie demands.

In truth of course such a nebulous charge simply serves as a convenient means to demand more female writers. Naturally a female Doctor will require female writers to do the character true justice.... 'coz men don't understand wimmin. Apparently.

And after all that it'll be renewed demands for more female directors, the first female showrunner and so on and so forth. These insidious and terminally prejudicial little f^ckers are never satisfied.




*Prime, hypothetical example being if a female Doctor got rescued by her probable male companion - they'd likely lose their sh^t over that! No, a female Doctor would always rescue herself. 'Gurl Powah!' and all that.

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Yeah I was thinking about the whole assistant thing. If the doctor is female surely it will work better with a male assistant but I can see people unhappy if that assistant ends up saving the doctor

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the ones demanding a female doctor aren't actually fans

Yes, I think this is the key point.

Since about 1988 Doctor Who has given a considerable share of the screentime to female characters who have generally been proactive in advancing the plot and who have not done much in the way of screaming or twisting their ankles. Even prior to 1988, some of this has been true. And although the Doctor has never been played by a female actor (except in skits), we've had Romana, River Song and others piloting the TARDIS.

Given this, for anyone who really is a fan, their priority should be first-rate stories about trips to other planets, adventures in history, credible adventures in the future and so on. Feminists should not have any problem at all with supposed gender issues; if anything they should be getting their knickers in a twist about the really sh!t episodes such as Kill The Moon, Stupid Forest Story and Sleep No More. But they're not. They're all, "I'm not watching any more Doctor Who because the lead role is still not being played by a woman!" (Slightly paraphrased, but only slightly.)

In short, these nine words - " the ones demanding a female doctor aren't actually fans" - are the most compelling argument against having a female Doctor.

Sorry, Burun, but your interminable essays posted over and over and over and over again failed to convince, but peter_t_2k3's nine words did the trick. Sometimes less really is more!

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I'm pretty certain that episodes like Sleep No More and In the Forest of the Night etc. are in fact generally among the least liked episodes in the fandom and Kill the Moon was pretty divisive to say the least. I did also see some discussion/criticism about whether or not it was an abortion metaphor and what it actually meant etc. I think critics liked Kill the Moon though, at least the ones I've read, but I haven't seen like a general consensus on that one as far as the critics go, but I've never seen many fans, feminist or not, like those episodes all that much.

Also, quality and sexism/whatever aren't two separate issues. Sometimes, a lot of times, they're the same.

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I'm pretty certain that episodes like Sleep No More and In the Forest of the Night etc. are in fact generally among the least liked episodes in the fandom

That may be true but I'm not sure it is.


Kill the Moon was pretty divisive to say the least. I did also see some discussion/criticism about whether or not it was an abortion metaphor and what it actually meant etc.

The point being, nobody can even agree as to whether it's a pro-life or pro-choice argument. Which suggests the abortion metaphor was shoehorned in to make it seem deeper than it is.


Also, quality and sexism/whatever aren't two separate issues. Sometimes, a lot of times, they're the same.

Thing is, I see discussions among hard-core lefties and feminists, and they never touch on individual episodes. They talk about Doctor Who as a single item, with little or no interest in whether it's good entertainment from one week to the next, and focus wholly on the gender of the lead actor.

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That may be true but I'm not sure it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXr-nLock7k

No seriously, I don't know why you feel that way, I thought it was pretty common knowledge that those episodes you mentioned aren't well liked, much in the same way that episodes like "Love & Monsters" or "Fear Her" aren't generally well liked. I mean, you can check the IMDb ratings or the ratings on Doctor Who TV or some other sites, you'll see that. Hell, I kept seeing a lot of hate for "Sleep No More" in particular, with lots of people calling it the worst ever episode, and it got so much hate that Mark Gatiss even had to acknowledge it on Twitter like the day after it aired.


Thing is, I see discussions among hard-core lefties and feminists, and they never touch on individual episodes. They talk about Doctor Who as a single item, with little or no interest in whether it's good entertainment from one week to the next, and focus wholly on the gender of the lead actor.


Well, I guess it depends - where are you seeing these discussions? Because I know on Twitter there are a lot of people who'll keep tweeting about wanting a female Doctor, but that's not the right medium for in-depth discussions about anything, really. Look at, for example, Whovian Feminism, who does actually get a lot of hate here and on Reddit, but the fact is, she reviews each and every Doctor Who episode on Tumblr. I'm pretty certain she reviewed all the series 8 and 9 episodes. And yeah, as the blog name says, it's Doctor Who reviews from a more "feminist" perspective, but like I said before, that doesn't mean she isn't focused on the "quality" of the episodes themselves.

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Sorry, Burun, but your interminable essays posted over and over and over and over again failed to convince, but peter_t_2k3's nine words did the trick. Sometimes less really is more!



Your bias is showing Paul. I posted that exact point about 197494764975649 times among other points and you disagreed with me for the sake of it. I even provided examples of it too.

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Your bias is showing Paul. I posted that exact point about 197494764975649 times among other points and you disagreed with me for the sake of it. I even provided examples of it too.

I have never disagreed with you for the sake of it. It's comments like this - when you take something that is simply your impression but you state it as if it were an unquestionable fact - that makes you an a***hole rather than simply someone with a different opinion. Ditto when you say "Moffat has ruined Doctor Who" over and over again. Doctor Who has not been ruined, however much you want to insist on the fact. Season 17 didn't ruin it, McCoy didn't ruin it, Moffat didn't ruin it.

You may have made that exact same point as Peter, but it's been lost in the cr@p. After several iterations of your insane dissertation I stopped reading it. You might learn something from Peter.

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I have never disagreed with you for the sake of it. It's comments like this - when you take something that is simply your impression but you state it as if it were an unquestionable fact - that makes you an a***hole rather than simply someone with a different opinion.


This gets to the heart of the matter that you do just disagree with me for the sake of it because you don't like my tone and me as a person.

I used to think it was because you were one of these self loathing fanboys who hates "ming mong" fans hence why you are always trying to police what other people think, but I will concede that its more likely be my strong opinions that put some people's backs up, but really its stupid when it does as until you started provoking me I was never rude.

And PS Paul you are WAY more condescending to people here, following them around every post they make and giving them lectures on what they should and shouldn't post and telling people things like "you are the type of person who goes to Calais and thinks he knows everything about France" when I simply voiced an opinion about something! That's what leads to big bust ups actually with other users like Strawberry.

Saying "I think Steven Moffat ruined DW" is nowhere near as bad. And PS you also go on about the same things ALL the time too like Ainley's Master being crap, Genesis being overrated rubbish. Pot calling kettle black. I might add that's all ancient history too. Ainley's been dead for 13 years. At least Missy and the SJW pandering is still current and IMO ruining the show hence why it bugs me as its not over yet. If I'm still complaining about Missy 15 years after Michelle Gomez has passed on and 28 years after she last played the role, then yeah I'll be equal to you.

Also finally the reason you get told you disagree for the sake of it is because you contradict yourself all the time. You say that Ainley was rubbish because he was cartoonish and silly yet praise Missy? You say you HATE Batman and the Joker and all crap like it, yet you love Missy and the Doctor that Moff said he based on Batman and the Joker? That Davros story you love, has a scene that was ripped straight out of the Killing Joke!

You say you hate SJW's, yet you argue with me to the death in defence of a show that is obviously pandering to them! You complain that Genesis of the Daleks was sh!t because it rewrote Dalek history and erased the first, better (iyo) Dalek story, yet you defend to the death Moffat's constant rewriting of the shows history from Hartnell to the Time War?


You may have made that exact same point as Peter, but it's been lost in the cr@p


Yes I did and you responded to it many times (which again is further proof IMO that you disagree for the sake of it) You told me that I have no right to lecture who is and isn't a fan and you even did a post about how you disliked fans who tell other fans they are not real fans. Yet now apparently that's the most convincing argument against a female Doctor?

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I've never found the show sexist, if anything the assistant's tend to get more airtime than the doctor, tend to save him quite a lot and so on.


It's not as simple as that. Although, yes, that is part of it, there are still lots of subtle ways that something can be sexist or racist or whatever. Just because you've managed to eliminate the more obvious aspect(s) of it, doesn't mean that it's completely free of it.


So the show isn't really sexist which makes me think the ones demanding a female doctor aren't actually fans. Would they even watch the show once the doctor turned into a female or would they just move onto the next show with new demands.


Actually, I'm pretty sure the feminists who keep talking about wanting a female Doctor actually do watch the show. Certainly, whatever posts I've seen on Tumblr, Reddit, Medium, Wordpress, wherever... Twitter even. These are people who still watch the show and that's why they continue to praise and/or critique it. If anything, the ones I've seen that actually stopped watching are the ones who decide ahead of time they don't like the new Doctor or the companion or whatever. I've seen quite a few posts here on this board itself and elsewhere, on Facebook especially, with people saying stuff like "I haven't watched since Capaldi's first episode, I can't wait for him to leave so I can start watching again" or "I don't like Pearl Mackie, I'm not going to watch the new season" etc.

Whether you agree with their criticism or not, they do still watch the show, so I'm not really sure where this idea is coming from that these people are not actually "fans." If anything, the people who are so petty that they can't get over minor things like the sonic freaking sunglasses are the ones who I'd say aren't really "fans" (or they're fans but only of one rigid kind of show that exists in their mind and they aren't open to even the smallest bit of change).

Hell, I'm a feminist, as are many other people on this board. We're still watching it - and we will watch it if the next Doctor is female. Whether or not they'll do it well - that's another story.

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Maybe there is sexism that's more subtle and maybe unintentional but it's important to mention there is also sexism against men in doctor who such as the line with the general regenerating into a female and saying something about how do guys cope with all that tetestrone or something. Yes it could be seen as tongue and cheek but if they did it the other way it would probably cause a scene

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Muppet is a feminist that's why the crap stories and Missy who most people hate. If muppet has his way the next Doctor will be female his wife neutered him years ago

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Muppet is a feminist


Actually I disagree on that score otherwise such tawdry ideological leanings would've manifested in his writing far earlier than they did.

No, Moffat is simply left-wing rather than an outright feminist although he did arguably have an overnight 'road to Damascus' style conversion to feminist dogma after being accosted and righteously denounced by an extreme gaggle of feminists post season 5 - all for imagined slights against wimminkind.

Naturally one tends to be far more receptive to the criticisms of those of an ideologically-compatible/comparable disposition and rather than telling this afomentioned gaggle of likely overweight harpies to piss off, he's since been trying desperately to placate/redeem himself via his writing for both Sherlock and Who. Hence that abomination/right on lecture of a Sherlock Xmas special, Missy and all the silly man 'quips' now prevelant in Nu Who et al.

It's not mere coincidence either that both those shows turned to sh^t when Moff started to actively appease these nutters...

I doubt Chibbers' will be any better but we can all hope.

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Perfect username. I'm glad IMDb is over. I feel sorry for whichever place you decide to make your regular haunt next.

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Muppet is a feminist


In case you're referring to Moffat, I disagree. I don't think he's a feminist, he just wants to appear to be one. This is rarely a good combination.


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This is not how it works. A fan you disagree with is still a fan. A fan who looks for different things is still a fan.

Just because you don't see sexism, doesn't mean there isn't any sexism.

You're basing this entire thing on your own conjecture and presumptions about what feminists want and how they would hypothetically act. What a way to make yourself needlessly outraged. (1) not all feminists even want to see a female doctor, (2) not all who want to see a female doctor are feminists, and (3) there is no reason to think the people who ask for a female doctor would move on to make different demands somewhere else.

Conclusion: you're not actually looking for a reasonable discussion.

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I apologise if my post sounded trollish or condescending as it wasn't intended

What has annoyed me is articles posting the doctor needs to be female. At the end of the day some people will want a female doctor some won't. I strongly don't want one but that doesn't make me right. The people saying however we have to have one - if the bbc want to and decide to then fine but there's no reason they have to. I suppose I'm concerned that they'll give in to peer pressure and pick someone for the wrong reasons.

There are also femenists that seem to kick off about anything. I'm in no way saying that this defines all and there are some great femenists doing a great job but I feel some are often causing a fuss in the wrong places. Also some femenists call anyone who doesn't want a female doctor a sexist outright. I don't believe having a male character who has been male for 50 years remain male is sexist.

As to my point about the non fans, I can just imagine some non fans kicking off and calling a show they don't watch sexist. I'm not saying that all femenists wanting a female doctor are not fans

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Well, then maybe reserve your outrage for the ones who actually behave in such a manner, instead of kicking off a divisive discussion by pre-emptively putting feminists in one camp (which, coincidentally, just happens to involve all the negative traits) and you with the 'fans' in another.

If that wasn't your intention, maybe start questioning the way you use language. Not to mention, where to use it. Because this is not where you'll be finding those people.

Trust me, feminists are rather sick and tired of having 'some feminist' in 'some other place on the internet' behaving in a certain manner as a veiled excuse to lose all tact and reason.

Also, you want to start a conversation with this?


I can just imagine some non fans kicking off and calling a show they don't watch sexist.


Oh right. You can imagine. Well, that settles it. Continue being outraged on the basis of what you can imagine the opposition doing. That's not silly.

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The thing is there is sexism against males in doctor who but this tends to get ignored. Feminism is generally about equal rights which I obviously support but sadly some on both sides try and take it too far.

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I'm outraged. Not too sure why, but everyone else is and I probably should be too.

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You are not the first to say so, and not the last in failing to be convincing.

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Convincing in what? About male sexism?

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Really. Work on your reading comprehension.

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If that's what you meant - then there are examples such as the line the general said when he regenerated to a female and said "how do you cope with all that ego." Yes it could be seen as tongue in cheek, but it works both ways.

You said it yourself - just because you can't see it yourself doesn't mean it's not there.

But I don't understand why I'm being painted the enemy here. My post was not meant to cause arguments and I've even apologised if I've went and put all feminists into a box. It seems you think I'm a troll but trolls generally aren't civilised. I'm just someone with an opinion.

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It's literally not what I talked about at any point.

If you've got such a sensitive trigger to sexism against men I'm really quite surprised you so confidently said there's no sexism against women.

I've never called you a troll or even insinuated it. I'm trying to point out how superficially you view these issues, but you've barely even addressed any of my points and just defensively apologize and leave it at that.

Really, what is your intention here then? If you just wanted to talk about sexism against men, I'm not sure why you'd start off your post about feminism, them not being 'real fans', female doctor and such things.

Posts like this are always vague on where they're even going with all this. It's like you're just throwing superficial opinions at a wall and see what sticks and now you somehow think I'm attacking you, viewing you as an enemy when I'm only trying to point out how little you've thought through your own opinion.

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That's not entirely accurate. Feminism revolves around equality for women, rather than simply equality.

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You're basing this entire thing on your own conjecture and presumptions about what feminists want and how they would hypothetically act. What a way to make yourself needlessly outraged. (1) not all feminists even want to see a female doctor, (2) not all who want to see a female doctor are feminists, and (3) there is no reason to think the people who ask for a female doctor would move on to make different demands somewhere else.



Nobody said all feminists want a female Doctor or that all feminists think the same. Terry Nation was arguably a feminist writer and he was one of the best things ever to happen to the show.

However the current crop of SJW fans who have wrecked the show are all third wave feminists. They are the ones who couldn't like the show unless it was about their ideology and so they bullied Moff and the other writers into doing it their way.

I'm not letting Moff off the hook with that by the way. He sold the show he claimed to love out to pander to a bunch of Rik from the Young Ones style pseudo lefties. Still they are the ones who have had the poisonous effect on the show.

Its annoying when they act like not wanting the show to fit their stupid idea of it (female Doctor, anti men jokes etc) means that we don't want women to like or be in DW, want it to be a white boy's only club etc.

No not at all. Big difference between women liking DW, old school, second wave, first wave feminists liking DW even, and third wave feminists/SJW's wanting to take over DW.

Hell a lot of the most obnoxious SJW fanboys are men like Paul Cornell or this a$$hole here. https://youtu.be/pHckKckhBYc

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Get out of your bubble, mate.

Most fans get on fine discussing doctor who without focusing on SJWs at all points in time (and, no, 'SJW' is not a fixed point, unless we're speaking of your specific bubble universe you've got going on in your head). How much time do you spend seeking this *beep* out?

The dude literally made a generalization in his post and then clarified it himself what he meant. There was no need for you to come in and digress about what you think.

This is why you don't hear the feminists voice, because of hyperbolic *beep* like this. Have you even touched a single academic paper written by a feminist or is it all youtube videos and Jezebel articles?


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This is why you don't hear the feminists voice, because of hyperbolic *beep* like this. Have you even touched a single academic paper written by a feminist or is it all youtube videos and Jezebel articles?



Okay I am sorry I have to laugh at this. Feminists are so scared of getting silenced they never speak up?

Third Wave Feminists are the most puritanical bullies who always silence opposition and get their own way. These are people who have got award winning scientists fired and ruined their lives, who've got Fox to take away posters away for the X-Men because its offensive, who've made a scientist responsible for landing a comet on the moon apologise for wearing a shirt, who've actually changed the education system to include such insulting things as consent classes.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjTqK3f3o3SAhULI8AKHfsvDsEQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avclub.com%2Farticle%2Ffox-apologizes-those-x-men-posters-jennifer-lawren-237723&usg=AFQjCNFC236uqLsc_XiViby97X-SEO7Apg

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwidrPuv343SAhUhDcAKHWZkBOIQFggdMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnewsbeat%2Farticle%2F37545048%2Fsexual-consent-courses-are-now-described-as-compulsory-at-oxford-university&usg=AFQjCNHMCi8M_bPnR6knIARJzAHhr44MLQ&bvm=bv.146786187,d.ZGg

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjZ_qvD343SAhUsDcAKHbPNA_4QFggfMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fscience%2Fspace%2F11231320%2FRosetta-mission-scientist-Dr-Matt-Taylor-cries-during-apology-over-offensive-shirt.html&usg=AFQjCNFyE0PYw3f_V-sHvWe1wTsNaula5Q&bvm=bv.146786187,d.ZGg

And yeah Feminists were certainly too afraid to speak up against Joss Whedon when he didn't write a female character the way they wanted.

https://youtu.be/RfMRFpXMLbo

Also I ask you Volunteer who is it got their own way in regards to DW? Hmmm female Master? Constant anti men jokes? Too much focus on the female companion? Moffat casting a black actress for diversity rather than because its because she is the best?

https://youtu.be/iBMb1ulCXg4

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjHw4mp4Y3SAhXlD8AKHbTcA_sQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fio9.gizmodo.com%2Fsteven-moffat-finally-confirms-the-doctor-can-and-shoul-1668433760&usg=AFQjCNH6Sc837vLMkjsjugpftNUYMa2LSQ

They are the ones who have completely got their own way with DW, and Marvel and Video Games.

And yes I've seen Anita Sarkeesian's pathetic Tropes vs Women series, I've regularly read Whovian Feminisms blog and had debates with Claudia Boleyn.

Don't buy into this victim myth perpetuated by third wave feminists that the poor feminists are always so victimized and never get a voice. Even though DW a global brand has been tailor made for them because of their whining. The mainstream media is on their side! It still perpetuates their BS about things like the Gender Wage Gap which has been debunked again and again (including even by other feminists like Christina Hoff Sommers and Ayaan Hirsi Ali)


Get out of your bubble, mate.



You don't know anything about the people I read and listen too.

In regards to the Trump/Hillary debate among the people I looked at where John Pilger, George Galloway, Christopher Hitchens, Christina Hoff Sommers, Abby Martin, and Paul Joseph Watson, all drastically different people.

In regards to Islam meanwhile, aside from having read the Quran itself (and come to the conclusion that its pretty sick) I've looked at videos, writings, essays and stories from people as diverse as David Wood (a Christian), Richard Dawkins (a founding member of the new atheist movement) and Maajid Nawaz, a bloody Muslim!

So then why assume I simply live in an ideological bubble and haven't drawn from a wide range of sources from the left and the right to back up my opinions? A lot of my sources HATE each other. Look at Hitch vs Galloway, or Abby and Paul's feud?

Tell me are your sources a healthy mix of right and left wing people like mine?


Most fans get on fine discussing doctor who without focusing on SJWs at all points in time (and, no, 'SJW' is not a fixed point, unless we're speaking of your specific bubble universe you've got going on in your head). How much time do you spend seeking this *beep* out?



That's the problem though is that it was the SJW's much like with Video Games, the new atheist movement and Comic Books who thrust their crap on us! They were the ones whose whining led to the awful female Master, the possibility of Olivia Coleman being the 13th Doctor, Clara taking over the show etc.

Its like Sargon of Akkad said (and no I don't agree with him on everything) that the SJW's basically infect everything like a virus. First it was the new atheist movement, then video games, then comic books and now sci fi in general.

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This is a problem because...?



Its a problem because it treats all men as potential criminals just because of a minority. Women are more likely to murder children and lesbian couples are more likely to be violent and abuse each other, whilst black people in America are far more likely to be criminals overall.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj49ZLG843SAhXDXhQKHTDdD70QFggqMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fquebecoislibre.org%2F010203-9.htm&usg=AFQjCNH-dQf8Uv1r8a_11iTvQdLaU4jyXw

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj22-Kv843SAhVDxxQKHZWSAb0QFghAMAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinteryknight.com%2F2013%2F11%2F18%2Fdomestic-violence-rates-are-higher-for-homosexual-couples-than-for-heterosexual-couples%2F&usg=AFQjCNGc_HLz4-74_m3PlpUsNY2c-ZSIdQ&bvm=bv.146786187,d.ZGg

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiMi5K78o3SAhXlL8AKHaLEAHkQFghGMAY&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftherationalists.org%2F2016%2F07%2F13%2Fwhy-do-black-people-commit-more-crime%2F&usg=AFQjCNHndUtebKsSZPvf_BfNTuBHCjyTpw

Are we going to send all black people into classes that teach them not to be violent thugs? All lesbians into classes that teach them not to abuse their spouses? All women into classes that teach them not to kill children? Imagine how awful that would be but again its okay to treat men that way according to SJW's who want "equality".

Its a further demonization of white men by SJW's. Also its not like its going to help. Think a rapist is going to stop because a class tells him?

Plus many of these classes also preach harmful ideas like having sex with a drunk woman counts as rape, and that images of sexy women encourage men to rape women (which is bullsh!t.)

This not only does nothing to combat real rape cases, but it also results in innocent men being accused which in turn will undoubtedly create a boy who cried wolf scenario in the future. Everybody loses thanks to this SJW sh!t.

Its bad enough when its students at Uni but they started bringing this *beep* into schools now! Children are coming home crying after being made to feel that they are evil not only in classes like this, but white guilt classes that teach children they are evil for being born white. It f^cking child abuse.

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Its a problem because it treats all men potential criminals just because of a minority.


Women are already taught to treat every man as a potential rapist ("don't wear that", "don't walk there") and if anyone enforces this mindset it's the MRAs with their "well you wouldn't leave a car unlocked in a bad hood" rhetoric. Just like children are taught every unknown adult is a peadophile (although it's MUCH more likely a child will be abused by a parent, relative or a family friend) and Americans are taught that every Muslim is a potential terrorist.

I think all young people should be lectured on consent and treating others with respect regardless of their gender, state of inebriation (here in Finland a whopping 83% of all manslaughters and murders between 2000 and 2013 were committed under influence of either the perpetrator or the victim or both, and 80% were male-on-male) and dress code.


Do you even know what honor is?
- A horse.

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and if anyone enforces this mindset it's the MRAs with their "well you wouldn't leave a car unlocked in a bad hood"

Firstly, it's not really something that is being taught in universities.

Secondly, I don't see the issue with talking about personal safety. Pretending that the bad people don't exist will not help if they suddenly target you. Though, I do agree that it should not be used as an accusation or as assigning blame.

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Women are already taught to treat every man as a potential rapist ("don't wear that", "don't walk there") and if anyone enforces this mindset it's the MRAs with their "well you wouldn't leave a car unlocked in a bad hood" rhetoric.


1/ I am not an MRA.

2/ The MRA's are a joke. Like feminists they are made up of people with genuine complaints and bitter bastards who have a beef against the opposite sex. I've often said the best from both should just combine into a new egalitarian movement.

Still the MRA's are regarded as a joke. Nobody really takes them seriously.

Again think sexist MRA fans who can't stand Xena being a woman are going to destroy the remake of Xena like the feminist "fans" have trashed DW? Think the producers of Xena are going to meet with a whiny little sexist fan called Xenite MRA? Think there is going to be a misoygnistic remake of a female dominated franchise like say Charmed starring all men to pander to MRA's like the Ghostbusters?

Think anti women propaganda is going to infest University's and Schools because of MRA's? No they have no influence. That's not to say that some of the worst MRA's (who are cut from the cloth as the worst Rad Fem's) aren't capable of influencing some people with their hateful rhetoric.

Still ultimately the worst feminists have more influence and thus have made things worse for men and women. They ironically are the ones who have helped to make the most anti women ideology on the face of the planet, Islam, bullet proof in the mainstream media.

3/ Telling people to be careful of strangers is not the same as victim blaming. Its just common sense.


think all young people should be lectured on consent and treating others with respect regardless of their gender, state of inebriation (


I don't think consent classes are any good at all. If you're a rapist you're a psycho, you're not going to stop because a class told you it was wrong. I also don't think that having sex with a woman when she is drunk is rape, provided she is conscious.

Still I am glad that you want it for everyone which obviously would be better than singling out one group.

I also want to make it clear even though I name dropped him earlier that I obviously think George Galloway was an a-hole for saying that having sex with a woman when she is asleep doesn't count as rape! Just because I agree with some of the things he has said about Iraq, Libya and Clinton doesn't mean I don't think he is an A-Hole.

IMO its best to take as you find. Paul Joseph Watson can be great for his critiques of Islam, and HRC, but he is a Trump fanboy to a ridiculous degree. Hitchens critique of religion was spot on, and his books about Kissinger and the Clinton's were brilliant, but he was for the Iraq War. Abby Martin's docu's about Hillary Clinton, American Foreign Policy are excellent but she is a rank Islam apologist.

Contrary to what people think I don't go on what "my fave youtubers say". I take as I find with everyone. There is no commentator that I agree with completely 100 percent. I suppose the closest are John Pilger, Shoeonhead and Chris Ray Gun, whilst the ones I almost never agree with are Anita Sarkeesian, Laci Green and Full McIntosh, though if they said something right I'd agree. Hasn't happened so far though 😀

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I didn't say anything about drunk sex. I just mentioned alcohol cause it is an integral contributing factor in most criminal activity, be it the perpetrator or the victim who's drunk. Maybe not so much in all countries, but definitely here in Finland, Eastern Europe, Russia etc with high alcohol consumption.

Of course this "consent education" isn't targeting actual psychos. But imho it should just be a general and logical part of sex ed, which in turn should be an obligatory subject in all schools for kids between ages 14-18. "Be sure your partner is willing" is a good guideline for the course. One thing which would actually be helpful to include about consent, since in my experience some guys truly don't know or understand it, is that a person giving consent once doesn't mean indefinite blanket consent.


Do you even know what honor is?
- A horse.

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Mainly because it's pointless. I also assume that the common student will find it annoying and boring, but that's a different matter.

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Have you even touched a single academic paper written by a feminist or is it all youtube videos and Jezebel articles?

Have you a paper in mind? I've skimmed a few and those were particularly idiotic. I'm sure there are a couple of reasonable ones, but I have yet to find them.

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Have you a paper in mind? I've skimmed a few and those were particularly idiotic. I'm sure there are a couple of reasonable ones, but I have yet to find them.



Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia are great feminists whose work is highly recommended.

Not recommended cause they are full of sh!t are Anita Sarkeesian, Rebecca Watson, Laci Green (though she is cute! I'd let her chain herself to my railings and smash my patriarchy any day of the week) and Steve Shives.

Though I am sure you know that already, just a general warning for anyone else.

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Sommers is a persona non grata in feminist circles, so I'm not sure how many feminists actually treat her papers as derived from the feminist perspective.

Lacy Green is at most a college graduate and I don't think she's written any papers.

I actually 'read' a few papers that will make Sarkeesian seem like an anti-feminist gamer. I'll look into Paglia, though.

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Being Feminist works!, Rose, Martha, Donna, Amy, Carla, ALL strong female companions.
I don't see a female lead, w/ that strong male companions. I just don't think it works, for Doctor Who, anyway.

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Well, I consider myself a feminist in many issues, but I seriously doubt that a lot of people who consider themselves feminists and demand female Doctor now, would watch the show for long if Doctor turns into female. Or even if some of them still watch, they will complain probably that the female Doctor is very sexist for many reasons and still won't be happy.
I do remember how female Ghostbusters reboot was considered such a good idea by the studio and was pushed as a very feminist idea/movie and then this whole thing bombed and everybody, including feminists, was unhappy.

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Ghostbusters problems were not in the all-female cast, but with the lack of meaningful content in the movie, apart from the gender specific jokes. The entire production team going around attacking the target audience didn't much help, either.

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Real feminists are not concerned about such things. The only concern seems to come from triggered Millennial social justice warriors.
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