Doctor Who : Why we'll probably get a female Doctor….GENDER NEUTRAL POLITICS!

Yep that's it folks. it's got nothing to do with people wanting the best actor for the job it's all down to this LGBT/gender neutral politics that's everywhere lately [calling boy scouts girl guides etc and all that type of nonsense].

they've already dipped their toes in the show with the stunningly bad Mary Poppins lookalike missy and that was probably a test run for a female Doctor. supposedly missy is very popular if you believe all that audience reaction crap at the politically correct BBC [who recently made a programme on sex change's for 6 year olds]. so obviously no conflict of interest there.

It's all Capaldi's fault that they have to get a female Doctor as he's too old,too past it ..and he's one of those male type persons. Harriet Harperson would also like a female doctor which says it all.













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It's really all about ONE thing only, R-A-T-IN-G-S
Nothing else matters

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It's really all about ONE thing only, R-A-T-IN-G-S
Nothing else matters

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This LGBT/gender neutral thing now is so prevalent that they'll probably fix the ratings if we get a female doctor so they can say hey look a female Doctor is a success as the ratings have gone up.








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oh i forgot, it doesnt rely on sponsors like in usa.

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It's plausible. A female doctor who could totally work.

I'd love to see a female Doctor. Why? Because I'm a straight man and I like to look at women. I don't have a problem with homosexual men but I wish you guys would stop trying to push your gay agenda onto Doctor Who. Hopefully the BBC will stop kowtowing to political correctness and will give us a sexy female Doctor next time.

i wouldn't mind a female but sherlock and bond should remain men.

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i wouldn't mind a female but sherlock and bond should remain men.

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Why? just because the Doctors a shaepshifter? I don't get this way of thinking? If anything that means the Doctor should be a woman less than Bond and Holmes.

All of the different Doctors are connected and meant to be aspects of the same man. Thus crowbarring in a woman there would look really out of place. With Holmes however all the different versions are not the same man, so hey have a female Holmes and who cares she's not meant to be Basil Rathbone.

Also I fail to see why just being a shapeshifter means he has no gender. Again what about Mystique from the X-men? I might hit up the X-Men boards and demand that Mystique make her main form a guy rather than Jennifer Lawrence from now on and say "well she can be anyoe, why not a man? Do you people hate men?"

Imagine if they had let mystique become a man? That would have RUINED the first x-men film if that happened

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Imagine if they had let mystique become a man? That would have RUINED the first x-men film if that happened

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You know I meant if she permanently morphed into a man. Yes she occasionally changes into a man for practical means (to infiltrate somewhere etc) but she always morphs back into her female form.

Why? If she can be anyone why not have a gender neutral main form? Fact is she is a female character. In fact she is unbelievably feminine. Often that's the joke when she morphs into a male form, she still acts girly like when she is wolverine in the first film screaming like a girl, or when she blows kisses as Stryker.

Now the Doctor is not as extreme a shapeshifter as Mystique or the MM so why have him morph into a woman?

You've answered your own question

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Sorry Burun, I'm not trying to provoke another quarrel, but I do find all this hilarious!

Regeneration has no analogue in the real world. Sure, lizards regenerate their tails (apparently), certain sea creatures can regrow bits (starfish, crabs etc.) and parts of the liver can regrow. But nothing in nature remotely corresponds to an actor magically being replaced by another actor.

So when you get so uptight and hold forth about what should and shouldn't be allowed - and then you even cite another fictional work to support your argument - it comes across as comical in more than one sense!

When I wrote The Suns of Caresh, I created a Time Lady. I decided to make her blind, and gave her a telepathic guide dog, Jess, who was a Labrador. Jess gets mortally wounded; later on we see the Time Lady again with an Alsatian that she addresses as Jess.

And, wonderfully, at least one angry reviewer demanded, "How can a dog regenerate?"

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Paul you're no getting at what I am saying (again)

I never said it was comparable to anything in the real world.

I said that just because a character is a shapeshifter does not mean that they automatically have no gender. That's virtually the only argument you hear "oh the character can change shape he's not really a male character" and I say why jump automatically to that conclusion? There other shapeshifters that clearly DO have a gender like Martian Manhunter and Mystique.

I say looking at DW both old and New Who from a real world perspective the Doctor is clearly NOT written and portrayed as a genderless character.

ALL of his relationships have been from a male perspective, father, grandfather, husband, boyfriend, father figure, big brother figure to companions like Jamie etc. He has always been written as a man, viewers have always identified with him as a man, both male and female, he's recognized around the world as a male character, he's derived from a long line of male heroes like Sherlock Holmes etc. He's set in stone as a man really by default at this stage.

Yes as its sci fi technically anything can happen, but that's true of any sci fi character then. Yes you could have made Buffy a man that way. Maybe a spell of Willow's goes wrong and Buffy becomes a man. But that's the point just because ANYTHING can happen doesn't mean that it should. All change has to be justified so what's the reason to take a character that has been set as a man for 50 plus years and suddenly say "oh no he's not a man, he's a genderless being" IMO it would kind of wreck the consistency of the character, though I admit I might be so militant as well because I fear how the New Who team would tackle it. Its a bad idea in general though.

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I never said it was comparable to anything in the real world.

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I didn't say you did. My point is that when something isn't based on anything real, you cannot be militant (to use your word) about what can and cannot be done with it.

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I said that just because a character is a shapeshifter does not mean that they automatically have no gender.

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But you're assuming he does have a base gender. And/or it cannot change. Unfortunately, that's not up to you, it's up to the production team.

Until the TVM, the Doctor was portrayed as strictly asexual. The kissing in the TVM caused uproar among fans. There was a full page article in Doctor Who Magazine written by an openly gay man (a fairly rare thing at the time) complaining that he just couldn't accept Paul McGann as the Doctor for that reason. And even as far back as The Making of Doctor Who (1973) it was hinted that "Grandfather" was merely a term of affection and/or respect. Personally, I prefer to think he was Susan's grandfather.

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ALL of his relationships have been from a male perspective, father, grandfather, husband, boyfriend, father figure, big brother figure to companions like Jamie etc.

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And if he's recast as a woman, his subsequent relationships will be from a female perspective - wife, girlfriend, mother figure etc.

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He's set in stone as a man really by default at this stage.

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Wanting this to be true doesn't make it so.

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Maybe a spell of Willow's goes wrong and Buffy becomes a man.

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I can well imagine them doing just that. The fact that they didn't probably had more to do with contracts than anything else.

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But that's the point just because ANYTHING can happen doesn't mean that it should.

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I agree - but it's not up to you or me which ones should or shouldn't happen.

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All change has to be justified

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This is where you always go wrong. It does not have to be justified, at least not in the sense that I think you mean.

The only justification it needs is that it makes for a good story.

I think you're making the same mistake I made for many years: thinking Doctor Who is an unfolding uber story. It's not, it's just a succession of "what ifs" that nominally feature the same changing cast of characters. "What if the Incan gods were aliens from another planet - and the Daleks landed on that planet?" "What if the Loch Ness Monster was an organic machine controlled by shape-changing aliens who lived hidden in Scotland for centuries?" "What if the Doctor entered an anti-matter universe?" "What if vampires were real?" And so on. All that matters is that these ideas make good television, and don't contradict anything recent. Whether they actually do make good TV is another matter.

Nothing in Doctor Who should happen (or not happen) just because canon or continuity "dictates" it.

And by the way, despite your amusing biography of me, I certainly do not think all change is good. But Doctor Who is always going to have change in it. When a change happens that you don't like, you can either hope it changes again into something you prefer, or learn to live with it. Stamping your foot for years on end is not going to help; focus on something more constructive, like your own fan fiction (or even proper fiction) exploring new What Ifs (and not futile attempts to undo the things you don't like).

Maybe one day you'll get a job at the BBC and become the showrunner in 2037. And you'll be able to read fans ranting about "that bd Burun is at it again, pg all over the legacy of Missy!"

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But you're assuming he does have a base gender. And/or it cannot change. Unfortunately, that's not up to you, it's up to the production team.

Until the TVM, the Doctor was portrayed as strictly asexual. The kissing in the TVM caused uproar among fans. There was a full page article in Doctor Who Magazine written by an openly gay man (a fairly rare thing at the time) complaining that he just couldn't accept Paul McGann as the Doctor for that reason. And even as far back as The Making of Doctor Who (1973) it was hinted that "Grandfather" was merely a term of affection and/or respect. Personally, I prefer to think he was Susan's grandfather.

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Buts it not an assumption. The point isn't that he is a man because canon dictates it, its because he has been embedded in a man in the public's consciousness and we as viewers are used to him too much as a man because again for the past 50 years he has been written as a man in every way.

Thus to suddenly turn around and say "now he is a woman" would feel jarring and no longer the Doctor to the majority of people.

Imagine even just in New Who turning him into a woman at any point prior to this and it would seem out of place. (old who to be fair was made in less enlightened times so perhaps people might not have wanted a woman in that way.)

Imagine if Eccelston had morphed into a woman. Think that wouldn't have sunk the show? If Ingrid Oliver suddenly appeared in Eccelston's face that IMO would have been too big a change for viewers from Eccelston, similarly if Tennant had changed into a woman it would have been a disaster too, as again a change of gender is a bigger change and for most it probably wouldn't have seemed like the same show. Moffat even said that. I can't stand this attitude people have of "oh it would be no difference if he became a woman" yes it bloody would.

So I say if it couldn't have worked then why bother now? What's different that would make it work now? The same is not true for old and young Doctors. If Jon Pertwee had been a young man you can't say that it would have finished the show. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. Similarly if Tennant had been an older man who knows maybe it still would have worked?

That's the point yes technically you can change anything you want, but should you? I can explain how other changes that are often compared to a female Doctor were good ideas.

Like Hartnell to Troughton, that was a good idea as it allowed the show to go on.

However this nothing matters it can all change, okay why not have the Doctor become a fire breathing dinosaur. Hey its never said he CAN'T change into a fire breathing Dinosaur? He's a shapeshifter, he can change species, why not? Maybe that person has a great idea for him as a Dinosaur?

That's all of the same arguments for the female Doctor.

The only thing you've said on this subject that I think has merit is the issue of whether or not audiences would accept a woman in the role.

The Doctor has been established in the public consciousness as someone who changes. People have noticed that every few years the actor playing the lead role is replaced by another actor who does not resemble him. And given the lack of resemblance, people have wondered why it has to be a male actor every time. (As far as I know, nobody has ever wondered why it has to be a non-fire-breathing-dragon every time.)

This isn't a recent thing, by the way. There's been talk of a female Doctor going back to Tom Baker's era, if not further. For many years there was talk of Joanna Lumley playing the Doctor. So when Joanna Lumley did indeed take on the role in the Comic Relief skit, there was a response of, "It's finally happened!"

So would audiences accept a woman in the role? Probably, but I don't really know. Are there new stories that could be told (and are worth telling) that couldn't be told if the Doctor remained a man? I doubt it, but I might be pleasantly surprised. Do I want a female Doctor? Not particularly, but it wouldn't be a showstopper if we got one. If it happens, I will judge the resulting stories on their own merits, and not worry too much about real or imagined pandering to some political group.

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However this nothing matters it can all change, okay why not have the Doctor become a fire breathing dinosaur. Hey its never said he CAN'T change into a fire breathing Dinosaur? He's a shapeshifter, he can change species, why not? Maybe that person has a great idea for him as a Dinosaur?

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Well why not? As you say, there's absolutely nothing saying it can't happen.

Well for a start, the Doctor has always been a programme more about someone using their intelligence and charisma to sort out problems rather than violence, whereas all a fire breathing dinosaur would be able to do would be toer breathe fire and presumably smash things up.
Plus Doctor Who has always been able to blend in with human beings almost immediately in every single episode, something a fire breathing dinosaur wouldn't be able to do
Even if you solved the above two problems (perhaps writing scripts in which every single episode could be solved solely by a fire breathing dinosaur in the style of the Hannah-Barbera Godzilla cartoon), then the lack of fire breathing dinosaur actors would be a bit of a problemand having a lead character that would have to be CGId in every single frame would be prohibitively expensive.
None of the above points apply to a woman.

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The trouble is it is a one way street turn male characters female is fine but do it the other way and all heck breaks loose. Imagine the outcry if they had a male Xena or a male Buffy.

Lets see a Timelord regenerate female to male and see what happens.

As for Dog Regeneration why not

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alling boy scouts girl guides

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There have been two separate organizations, for over a century.

I wouldn't be surprised in these pc times that there's people at IMDB who don't like discussions like this as well as the linking everyone up to FaceSpy.













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Eh?
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I hope so. I hope she's six feet tall, tits out to here, a big bottom, stiletto heels, a thong, and a leather corset. I don't even care if she's cis or trans. Pre-op, post-op, no-opI really don't care.

It may sound like I'm just exaggerating, but I'm not. I want a big ol' girl this time around, I want some overtly sexual story lines, I want DW to become a lot more like American Horror Story, with lots of sex, side butt and side boob, and I don't care what the orientation or gender is, as long as there's a whole lot of getting it on going on.