Doctor Who : How would you feel if Doctor Who had a time-out after Capaldi's run?

How would you feel if Doctor Who had a time-out after Capaldi's run?

Would you be Livid, at Peace, Sad etc

I'd be at peace. I think the show needs a break and use the forthcoming ending (not that it's ending, this is hypothetical) to tie up loose storylines. Also, give these current show-runners a break.

Capaldi is one of my favorites. I want the show to end on a high.



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They had a year to go on break. Enough is enough. No more stalling.

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The current show runner(s) are leaving after this year anyway.
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The natural time and place to end DW - or simply "rest" it - would have been when Matt Smith left - at the end of the Doctor's natural life cycle

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I'd be happy if - after a nice, long run of course - they'd end with Capaldi regenerating into the Valeyard.

Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody dies.

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The only question would be who would play the Valeyard?

RTD or Steven Moffat?

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Tough pick!

Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody dies.

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they could keep regenerating into each other till the end

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Capaldi is my 13th Doctor. War Doctor is # 9. 10.5 and handy don't count.

So the time for the show to end is now (for me).


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It's a little late to start counting though. They could retcon it and say the Timelords granted him only one more regeneration, and when he tried again it wasn't meant to be.

Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody dies.

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Well, a Time Lord cannot always regenerate.

If he or she is killed outright, or too severely injured, then it's all over red rover. Remember, the third Doctor needed assistance to regenerate.

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IMO it would be better if it had ended back in 2013, for the show and Capaldi whose career wouldn't be tarnished by starring in the worst era of DW known to man. The show is a sick parody of what it once was and has shat on the legacy off Classic Who for the past 3 years .
The sooner this SJW version of DW ends the better. Its sad for Capaldi, but he was in the wrong time, wrong place.

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And the winner of the board's most embarrassing message award in 2017. is

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"And the winner of the board's most embarrassing message award in 2017. is"

Don't you think that's rather premature?

The year is still young. Who knows what depths of embarrassment we can yet sink to on this message board?

Just have a little faith

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Yeah, I want at least a nomination before the awards are announced

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Says this smugly

And the winner of the board's most embarrassing message award in 2017. is










Then goes on to post utter pretentious garbage if ever I saw one.


I would be sad because we are watching new who at its best. But everything ends as someone said.



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I don't usually respond to such juvenile responses but let's make another exception.

The part of the post that I referred to as embarrassing was not the opinion that it was "the worst era" but the comment that it has tarnished Capaldi's career and the following exaggeration:

The show is a sick parody of what it once was and has shat on the legacy off Classic Who for the past 3 years

For me it is the best era by far but it doesn't mean Tennant and Smith had not good episodes, I just don't rewatch their seasons as often, especially 10's era.

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I don't usually respond to such juvenile responses but let's make another exception.



For me it is the best era by far but it doesn't mean Tennant and Smith had not good episodes, I just don't rewatch their seasons as often, especially 10's era.


Which is odd, because I tend to cringe at juvenile the show itself is becoming over the last several years since Smith's era started.

Different strokes I guess.

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The aforementioned user was right it has become a bargain bin parody of what it once was.

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Agreed 10s era felt like a mix between twilight and eastenders whereas capaldi and smiths have been more about the sci fi and adventures

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Agreed 10s era felt like a mix between twilight and eastenders whereas capaldi and smiths have been more about the sci fi and adventures


Which is why I am torn. I'm not a big fan of Tennent, but the stories may have been slightly more grown. Although seemed to be more on-Earth stories. As the Doctor (and what I want him to be) Smith and Capaldi fulfilled that more. Yet the stories are more SJA'ish.

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Tennant's era was less self aware and embarrassing and embraced the childlike concept, Matt Smith was more original (I liked him hated everything else) but it was heading for a different less cartoony vibe set by Tennant's series but Capaldi's era is so low brow and child friendly and culturally irrelevant it makes the Sarah Jane adventures look like the human centipede.

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Agreed 10s era felt like a mix between twilight and eastenders whereas capaldi and smiths have been more about the sci fi and adventures



Sadly that is true of 10's era to quite a large extent. Still IMO New Who's problem throughout most of its run can be summed up this way. Its DW that is ashamed to be DW.

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The Capaldi era is actually my favourite of New Who

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The Capaldi era is the best of New Who so far. There's no need for any further resting of the show.



Goodnight sweet Prince

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The Capaldi era is actually my favourite of New Who



Well opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has them.

IMO its the worst in every way. Highest number of stinkers. Deep Breath, In the Forrest of the Night, Kill the Moon, The Caretaker, Listen, Dark Water/Death in Heaven (half his first series)

And in his second series that Missy two parter on Skaro, the season finale, are both among the worst too. If I were to do a top 10 worst list then at least 5 of them would be from the Capaldi era.

It also has the worst companion, the worst version of the Master (obviously), its made the Daleks lame, its pandered to the most hateful group of fans. And finally it also wasted so much potential, like the return of Gallifrey, the return of Davros and hey Capaldi himself!

Utter dross of an era IMO.

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'It pandered to the most hateful group of fans'

The Thick of It fans?

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pandered to the most hateful group of fans


.the irony is just too much here

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.the irony is just too much here



No its not. I'm not the one who accused Moff of promoting rape, of hating black people, of promoting hatred against the mentally ill, of encouraging young boys to sexually assault girls, of being a woman hating pig, of "queer baiting" or promoting the idea that gay people should be converted etc, etc.

That was the feminist "fans" and they did across the entire media, blogs, on tv, even published books about it and Moff and the rest of the new who team started pandering to them from 2014 just as Marvel and the New Atheist movement did and the result was the same. Doctor Who is dying a slow and painful death.

I do find it funny though the way people here used to laugh at the tumblr idiots back in 2011-13 but then when Moff started to pander to them from 2014 on people now think they are reasonable.

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IMO its the worst in every way. Highest number of stinkers. Deep Breath, In the Forrest of the Night, Kill the Moon, The Caretaker, Listen, Dark Water/Death in Heaven (half his first series)

And in his second series that Missy two parter on Skaro, the season finale, are both among the worst too. If I were to do a top 10 worst list then at least 5 of them would be from the Capaldi era.

It also has the worst companion, the worst version of the Master (obviously), its made the Daleks lame, its pandered to the most hateful group of fans. And finally it also wasted so much potential, like the return of Gallifrey, the return of Davros and hey Capaldi himself!


I love Capaldi but can not argue this. It's too true.


Moff and the rest of the new who team started pandering to them from 2014 just as Marvel and the New Atheist movement did and the result was the same.


Yes, Marvel (Comics) are doing it too. I hate using the word 'Agenda' but it's happening.


Doctor Who is dying a slow and painful death.


Which is why I want it to end on their terms rather than cancelled without closure like Survival. Like someone else mentioned, the show is a parody of its former self.

Yes yes yes, the show has infinite possibilities. But those possibilities are not used.

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I love Capaldi but can not argue this. It's too true.



I too love Capaldi. I thought he was consistently good in his first year. He struggled with the second series a bit with Doctor Disco, but that's not his fault.

Capaldi clearly wanted to be a Jon Pertwee style Doctor. A commanding, serious, angry Doctor. Jon is my fave so I was really looking forward to that. However he has been let down by being emasculated by his companion, being made to act like Smith and Tennant, and having a weak nemesis in the form of Missy.

I don't blame him as there is only so much an actor can do, but it is a real shame for him. I can't imagine what he must have thought. Here is a fan of the Pertwee era sitting next to a kinky Mary Poppins that's supposed to Roger Delgado and a cyber zombie that's meant to be the Brigadier!


Yes, Marvel (Comics) are doing it too. I hate using the word 'Agenda' but it's happening.



Its the sci fi genre in general they have their talons wrapped around, the SJW's.

Again its because us sci fi fans are easy to bully. Our interests are seen as sad and childish, no one really wants to admit to being a nerd. Thus we will generally let them walk all over it.

Of course its a great irony as the sci fi and fantasy genres have arguably been the most progressive.

DW I think has a serious self loathing fanboy problem though even by sci fi standards which is why we are the most badly hit.


Which is why I want it to end on their terms rather than cancelled without closure like Survival. Like someone else mentioned, the show is a parody of its former self.



Well I can understand that. Personally I thought the McCoy era was the perfect end to Old Who however. It contained some of its greatest and most enduring stories, Remembrance of the Daleks, Curse of Fenric, Survival, etc.

It also had one of the best companions and played around with some new concepts like story arcs for the companion (but not in a way that undermined the Doctor like New Who).

Also I think it gave all of the shows icons great send offs except for the Cybermen who even then weren't ruined like the Master in New Who.

IMO DW shouldn't have an end. The last moments of Survival where we know the adventure is going to continue is the best ending for the show.

Obviously if we got another McCoy era then I'd be happy, but sadly I really don't have any faith for the show to do that again. Look at the PC atmosphere that surrounds the BBC.

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Even if Chibbers isn't an SJW like RTD or desperate to keep in with them like Moff, he's probably going to have to do what they say as they run the Beeb now. IMO its better for Who to go before anymore gets ruined. The Master has already been destroyed as a character for good. What beloved aspect of the show will they destroy next?

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I agree with just about everything but this:


Again its because us sci fi fans are easy to bully. Our interests are seen as sad and childish, no one really wants to admit to being a nerd. Thus we will generally let them walk all over it.


More and more people are 'claiming' to be 'Geeks'. That is why these superhero movies are taking center stage.

Girls that wouldn't even look at me in High School now refer to themselves as "Such a Geek" merely because they watched a season of Game of Thrones.


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You know girls can be geeks and still not be attracted to you right?

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You know girls can be geeks and still not be attracted to you right?


Shhhhh there there. Point = Missed it

They can be but they're not. Now point out how I used to wrong pro-noun or something in an attempt to retort



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What about pronouns?

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What about pronouns


not familiar with them. good to eat?


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More and more people are 'claiming' to be 'Geeks'. That is why these superhero movies are taking center stage.

Girls that wouldn't even look at me in High School now refer to themselves as "Such a Geek" merely because they watched a season of Game of Thrones.


Oh yes trendy geek culture is really annoying, but its not a gender specific thing IMO. There are plenty of guys who think they are geeks because they wear an Iron Man T-shirt!

It does annoy me when feminists and SJW's try and act like people don't want women to like sci fi. What a crock of sh!t. I LOVE geek girls. Remember my love for Osgood?

Its not women, its annoying SJW's (the worst of whom are men as often as they are women, like Paul Cornell, Will Wheaton Full McIntosh) who are desperate to call everything that stars a male hero sexist simply for having a male hero, and virtue signal about how progressive they are compared to the rest of fandom, that geeks by and large wish would just f^ck off.

DW has always had a healthy female fanbase. It was prime time family viewing watched by mothers and fathers, little boys and little girls in the UK, and in America throughout the 80's (where it was more popular than it was in the UK)most of its fans were women. On top of that it also had a huge gay fanbase too.

Again its not "lets keep DW a straight boys only club" its just "lets please not let the SJW's sink it like they did the Ghostbusters franchise or are threatening to do to Marvel" Though I fear that may be too late. It certainly is for the Master!

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It's just odd because the geeks used to have the room all to ourselves. Suddenly, the room got really crowded. And then the new crowd started feeling the need to change the wallpaper. So we gnash our teeth and protest but in the long run, the crowd will tire of this and leave. And then we'll have the room to ourselves again.


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the worst version of the Master (obviously)

chicken-gulping Eletro Master. 'nuff said.

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chicken-gulping Eletro Master. 'nuff said.



Missy is the worst Master objectively for the following reasons.

1/ She is not the Master.

The Master love him or hate him always follows this template (without it he isn't a character he is just a name in which case why bother bringing him back?)

He is always motivated by three things

1/ Desire to rule the universe
2/ Desire to torture and kill the Doctor
3/ Desire to prolong his own life above all else.

Every single Master story gives him one, or two or sometimes all three of these as his motivation such as The Deadly Assassin.

He also always operates by manipulating people, placing himself in a position of power with a forged alias, taking control of people's minds and he often kills his victims by shrinking them. Plus physically he often dresses in black and has a more toned down appearance.

Now the Simm Master love him or hate him followed all of this. He was motivated by his desire to rule the universe, he hated the Doctor, and in his second appearance he also was motivated by a desire to extend his own life. He also worked through manipulation, (of Martha's family, Lucy Saxon, the entire British public), he places himself in a high position of society with a forged alias, he hypnotises people through the Archangel network and as awful as it was he does shrink the Doctor.

Even physically he dressed in dark, sharp suits and looks more normal. Thus he is a legit version of the Master.

Missy however? In what f^cking way is she the Master? Go on say? She isn't motivated by anything he is. She doesn't care about power (she gives it up to win the Doctor round and says she has no need for an army "armies are for people who think they are right") She is in love with the Doctor and wants him back, and she has no desire to prolong her life.

She also doesn't use hypnosis, she doesn't manipulate people and she doesn't shrink anyone. Even physically she doesn't dress in black, she dresses in bright red!

She is not the Master and that's crap since she is meant to be him. It would be like if I did a version of Magneto from the X-Men and had it that he didn't care about Mutants rights, never used his metal powers and his whole plan was that he wanted to f^ck Jean Grey. Think anyone would like that version of the villain? Nope which leads me to my next point.

2/ Missy represents pandering to the worst type of fan. Namely the SJW fans. Don't tell me for 5 seconds if those whiny sjw's hadn't latched onto this shows fanbase like a cancer that Gomez would have been considered for the Master anymore than Jack Nicholson would be considered for Catwoman.

Pandering to fans of any kind is never a good idea. Nobody liked it when JNT did it in the 80's. Hence why they attacked him for it. Yet its okay when Moff does it? And I might add Moff is doing it for what is not only a smaller minority but a hateful group who openly antagonise other Who fans and call them sexist.

I honestly think that people would be honest about Missy and say she was sh!t if it weren't for the following things. 1/ Fear of being called a sexist for rightfully calling her crap. 2/ Extreme loyalty to Moff in the case of certain users. Its ridiculous that people actually slate the Simm Master for being too camp, too crazy, and having a gay subtext with the Doctor and then PRAISE Missy! 3/ Fear of being seen as a sad anorak who never wants things to change, IE being a self loathing fanboy.

If you like Gomez's performance fine, but every DW fan should admit that A/ Missy is NOTHING like the Master and that's bad because she is meant to be the Master. B/ that she represents a bad road for the show to go down. Casting actors to tick boxes and not based on merit (or else Gomez would obviously NEVER have been cast) and pandering to the fans and giving into pressure and criticism.

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I'd argue with you but you've basically inoculated against all criticism whatsoever

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I'd argue with you but you've basically inoculated against all criticism whatsoever



No I'm not.

Tell me how I am wrong and I will be happy to hear it.

How is Missy like the Master?

Go on tell me? And don't say "but the Master can be anyone" because you know that's rubbish. And if you think that is true then why bother with the character? Seriously he's not a character, he's a name. Why bother saying "I want a Master story" what is a Master story?

Also tell me how I am wrong that casting Michelle Gomez as the Master based entirely on her gender is not setting a bad precedent. Its basically saying to the public "we are not casting on merit anymore" and hey what do you know it led to Pearl Mackie being cast because she was black (based entirely on what Moffat himself said)

Also how is pandering to the SJW's a good thing? Yeah its been nothing but great for Who. Constant anti men jokes, racist bits of dialogue in the spin off. Yep Missy set a great precedent didn't she?

Of course from a practical point of view pandering to SJW's is always a good idea. It worked out well for the Ghostbusters reboot didn't it?

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Since you've basically said that the only people who could possibly disagree with you are SJWs, Moffat fanboys or people scared of being seen as anoraks, there's absolutely nothing I can say in reply is there?

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Since you've basically said that the only people who could possibly disagree with you are SJWs, Moffat fanboys or people scared of being seen as anoraks, there's absolutely nothing I can say in reply is there?



I say that based only on these arguments (which are the only ones I have ever seen in defence of Missy)

1/ Doctor Who is all about change and so therefore every change is good. Followed usually by a strawman of a fan in 1966 going "WAAAAAH WILLIAM HARTNELL ISN'T THE DOCTOR ANYMORE DW IS CHANGING". Of course the irony is I've noticed that a lot of these fans are often still the ones who attack JNT for Colin's costume or Sylvester's first season. By their logic those things are good, as hey they were changes

2/ You are a sexist, transphobic, can't stand dirty women in your favourite show. Again ironically this is often from people that don't watch ANY tv shows starring female leads.

3/ Missy is more like the Master than any other, she channels Delgado without ever saying how.

If you have a point that doesn't fall into those three about Missy please I'll listen. I don't block.

Also at the same time tell me if its a good thing to cast someone based on gender like Missy?

Also consider this. The 98 Godzilla was slated by fans because it wasn't Godzilla in any way shape or form. Yet Missy who is even LESS like the Master gets praised? I think if the 98 Godzilla's producers had a cult following like Moff, and if all of its critics were slandered as racists and sexists then it probably would have been bullet proof too.

Again think if someone did a version of Magneto that never used his metal powers, didn't care about mutants, wore a different costume, called himself Magno and wanted to f^ck Jean Grey fans would say that was a great version of the character? No, so why do they do so for Missy?

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If I make any argument in favour, apparently I'm being dishonest. So there's no point.
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If I make any argument in favour, apparently I'm being dishonest. So there's no point.



Nope I just said that as long as it wasn't one of those three arguments, "all change is good" "you're a sexist" and "she is like the Master, but I'll never say how" as those three are the three that reek of all of the above.

The fact that there are no other arguments that can justify casting someone purely to tick boxes, doing a version of a character that is NOTHING even remotely like said character, pandering 100 percent to fandom and going by what your critics say suggests to me there isn't any defence.

But hey maybe I am wrong and maybe Missy is completely the Master, but so far I haven't seen anyone ever say HOW, other than just "she channelled Delgado" or "well the Master was always crap".

How is it a good thing to cast someone based on their gender? How is it good to make a character not like a character? I'm waiting.

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"The address is not valid".

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'Tis now!

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Cheers, mate!

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