Doctor Who : Why can't Moffat write strong male characters?

Why does Moffat continue to tear men down rather than built women up?

All throughout his tenure most of his male characters have been weak and insipid.

Just look at the secret identity of the superhero. He was a total beta cuck that was willing to settle for a woman who ignored him most of his life.

Don't get me started on the pussy whipped Rory and the all female unit.

Is it possible to write a strong male character with positive masculine qualities?

Also is it possible to write just one episode that doesn't contain a sexist quip belittling men?

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A question that has been asked countless times but will never be answered. We can only hope that Chibnall will bring a huge improvement.

Stop being ridiculous. Seriously. Stop.

Cuck, is an Ad Hominem, meant to tear down an opposing opinion or person. This is not an argument, this is the coward way of "winning" an arugment.

he has a point though

I agree with his point. No so much with his choice of words from the English vocabulary.

Isnt he in this instance though using cuck correctly to some extent?

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The mans tongue didnt come through customs!

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No. 'Cuck' is not an idea or a personality trait. It originates from Cuckoo bird, who lays her eggs in nests of other birds. It describes an adulterous relationship in which the female is being unfaithful to her male sexual partner.

It became an insult toward any man who doesn't exhibit 'enough' masculine behavior. To unpack that particular stupidity will take time that I don't believe is merited at this point.

There's also a racist aspect to it: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/08/13/what_the_rise_of_cuckservative_means_for_republican_politics.html

The only response it merits, if indeed it merits any response at all, is ridicule.

However the Doctor does tease him for looking after the baby she had with his friend, insinuating that he was acting cuckolded.

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The mans tongue didnt come through customs!

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Moffat does seem to throw in some sexist lines every once in a while that aren't really bothersome but are really unnecessary. Moffat is incredible at creating stories, villains, and plotlines, but I think he's just not as strong when it comes to writing and developing characters (Bar River Song).

He doesn't write strong male characters, but his female characters are annoying. Come to think of it, he may not know what strength means - he thinks it means overbearing and obnoxious.

Cant sleep, clown will eat me. Cant sleep, clown will eat me.

cuck soccer

stfu about fking avatars already.

Characters are not his strong point both female and male, it's stories that he's good at. The reason is not really important he just doesn't do it. Btw. why use "beta cuck" term are you a teenager?

If he's an American (and he sounds like one), men like him of all ages are feeling empowered to be rude, crude and inappropriate. They think they're being powerful when they're being obnoxious, immature jerks.

Wasnt it "He is a sexist who cant write female characters" only two years ago?

I certainly saw that on this board.

It was here. I remember one person in particular, who was willing to crucify Moffat and make RTD a saint. I am not sure if that person is still here, I have her (him?) on ignore for a couple of years.

IF I accept the premise of the thread, it could be answered in a few ways

- He doesn't know how
- He knows how, but chooses not to
- He doesn't know how to write strong characters period as other's suggested
- He's pandering to the female demographic (successfully or unsuccessfully is debatable)


I dunno, The Doctor under Moffat's tenure has strong/brave character moments just those god awful tearful speeches must STOP. Amy was the strongest to me.

Could Amy beat up Rose in a fight?


keeps alive the weak, the stupid, the lazy that breed and multiply, weakening the human race

Amy as written in series 7A was actually pretty good female character. It was just a little too late. If she had been written like that her entire run she would've been much further up in the 'favorite companion' list, but she's far too insufferable in series 5. Series 6 is a bit of a mix.

Though it probably helped that by the time her character started being written better, Karen Gillan also had been improving her acting skills.


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If you ever watched "coupling" Steven has said that the main character, Steve, is based on his own life. So, no, he isn't about to, is he

Danny. That's all. Loved him.

Ignoring your language, because I do think the question is interesting.

This is a trap a lot of writers fall into when trying to write better female characters. In Moffat's case though, I'm not sure how much of it is deliberate, because he just seems to be writing what he wants to see himself. Tearing men down in favour of women seems to be his idea of witty banter, and I guess what he considers a strong woman is one who steamrolls into your life and leaves a massive hole once she's gone.

His little throwaway jokes at the expense of men are pretty much an extension of his sitcom type humour that you see all throughout his run. Mind you, those jokes have been at the expense of women as well.

I wasn't fond of how Rory was written as this guy who put up with a lot of *beep* because the idea that Amy was 'out of is league' was already something we, as the audience, were supposed to accept from the start. The weird competition between The Doctor as a 'better' man and Rory having to 'man up' to deserve her, even if ont intentionally written that way, just confirms that traditional family view. All issues Amy and Rory deal with has to do with neither of them being able to (or being willing to) conform to it (though in the end, they do). It would have been an interesting approach if it was written better, but then what time would there be left for the actual focus of the show? It's the same balance that RTD struggled with, only he then favoured the more soap opera elements (meaning he delivered better on it, IMO obviously) at the expense of the more alien/timey-wimey stuff.

It's an overal difficult balance to make. You want to be able to adress these gendered issues, because Sci-Fi has long been the genre to explore these issues (mostly through metaphor though), but then you don't want to stray too far from the elements that actually make it Sci-Fi.

As for the question whether it's possible to write strong make characters with positive masculine qualities. Sure. You can look to the entire history of film and TV to find countless examples of that.


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Because it's not Moffat's job to write episodes just for you, is why.

And I don't say that as a Moffat fan.

Is good writing 'appeasing'?

Maybe Steven Moffat listens to Joss Whedon too much?

It's the BBC in general, not just Moffat writing.

Everyone is becoming way too silly and boring.

The writing for this special was basically copy and paste from all other comic book superhero stories. I have no idea how anyone could find this entertaining. It was average at best. As soon as I saw the trailer I knew something was up. Like you and someone else has posted in a thread here: What has happened to Dr Who?

Always look for the positive in every situation.

You need to learn how to enjoy the mediocracy of Doctor Who.

LOL poor Moff. He was slated for not being able to write women for years, and now he's getting it for men. I think it will be a relief for him to step down in 2018.

You are right however in that he of late has been tearing down a lot of his male characters for female ones. He was bullied for ages by feminists for supposedly not being able to write women, and for being a sexist monster and this and that, and really S8 Clara as well as all his time lord gender bending nonsense is clearly just a way to overcompensate for it.

Ironically however it has led to genuinely sexist dialogue against men in his work. Now these tedious jokes don't bother me in principle, but I just feel like there is a double standard as there is no way that he would ever dream of doing it in reverse. My god he'd have to issue an apology like he did for his joke about the Queen which was "the Doctor will be played by a woman when the Queen is played by a man".

Of course at the same time I don't think that its just down to Moff. I think this problem goes further than that sadly. The whole BBC is very SJW these days. Look at their ridiculous diversity quota's that they want filled by 2020.

They want to have a set number of transgender, gay, black people in roles which IMO is just wrong. I'm not saying that its wrong to hire minorities obviously, but at the same time, don't hire them BECAUSE they are minorities.

Its creepy in regards to sex. How are they going to find out in an interview if you are gay? Are they going to ask "you like to shag men or women, women, sorry this position needs to be filled by a gay guy, or oh sorry we have our set number of gay guys so off you go."

TBH Doctor Who would be better with another rest until this crap at the Beeb dies down.

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You are right however in that he of late has been tearing down a lot of his male characters for female ones. He was bullied for ages by feminists for supposedly not being able to write women, and for being a sexist monster and this and that, and really S8 Clara as well as all his time lord gender bending nonsense is clearly just a way to overcompensate for it.

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I'm going to give the next series two episodes in the hope that it improves.
If it continues to pander to the social justice wankers/man bashing I will stop watching it for good!



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threat or promise?

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NonWhiteKnight said:
I'm going to give the next series two episodes in the hope that it improves.
If it continues to pander to the social justice wankers/man bashing I will stop watching it for good!

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like your hero Donald Trump, you make all these promises you don't keep.

To use the term you started this thread with, that's the action of a "beta cuck." Mouthing off and not following through. For an alpha, his word is his bond.

maggieameanderings, you are a total dumb *beep* that can't debate or argue the topic at hand.
All you do is insult and attempt shaming because you don't have the intellect to debate!

I take no offense as you are just another used up, useless crazy cat lady who hosts a blog with weird sexual fantasies.

As you have proven that you are a complete waste of space you are now on my block list!!!!


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