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Homeless man asking for money

This was one of my absolute most favorite scenes in the movie. It was so funny how the homeless guy was making up stuff just to get Bill Foster to give him a handout and how Foster was asking him to show him his driver's license!

Has anything like this actually happened to any of you? If so, how did you handle it? Many years ago, I was approached by a homeless/semi-drunk guy on the street who told me how he and his 10 year old son just arrived from out of town and how he's trying to round up enough money for bus fare to get back home. I wasn't quite in the mood for any of his BS so I said to him, "May I see your driver's license?"

"Huh?"

"Your driver's license. You said you and your son are from Phildelphia, so let me see if you're telling me the truth. Your Philadelphia home address will be on your state driver's license. By the way, where's your son?"

" . . . well, uh . . . ummm . . . ."

"What? What? Where's your license? I'm still waiting to see it."

"Well, uh . . . ."

"You made that up. You don't have a son. You're not even from Philly. You just made up all this to get a free handout. A guy five blocks back just told me the same story as you did, almost word for word. Do you think I'm that stupid? Furthermore, what makes you think I have any money to give you? How do you know I even have any money on me? Why didn't you approach someone else? Just because I'm wearing some nice clothes means I have money to give to you? How do you know I didn't just kill some Upper East Side debutante and her rich socialite mother and tore their fancy Prada suits off their still-warm bodies, huh? How do you know I didn't just kill someone for her clothes, huh? SO LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!"

He sure got the hell away from me quite fast.

And that was another urban reality tale from the mean streets of NYC (or however mean Fifth Avenue can get).



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My wife and I have been approached by pan-handlers on more than one occasion, but not in the bright sunlight and crowded area like Michael Douglas' character was in the film.

One occasion, I was at a do-it-yourself car wash with my wife in the truck, probably around 9pm on a cold Minnesota evening. There was nobody else there but us. All of a sudden, this dude comes up to me asking if I had any spare change because his car died across the street and needed some gas money. I said I didn't have any left, as I just used up all my coins for the car wash. He asked if she had any money. I said no. He just stood there, and my first thought was he was going to cause us trouble, so I dug into my pocket, and handed him probably about a dollar in change and gave him a dirty look. I figured, for the few coins I had, it wasn't worth getting knifed or whatever.

Then another time, my wife and I and our baby daughter just got done eating at our favorite pizza place which is in kind of a declining part of town, again, at dark. This black dude held open the door for my wife who was carrying our daughter in the baby carrier as we were walking out and asked if we had any spare change. I said no. He was like "pennies, nickels….anything helps." and as she tried to load the baby in the car, I kept telling her to get in the car, and he just hovered in the area and wouldn't leave. I figured, we'd get down the street a ways and then strap our daughter in or whatever, let's just go. But, she dug in her purse like a dummy and gave him a couple dollars. *beep* ass bum, I wanted to kick his ass, but he probably had AIDS or something. That, or he had a pal or two waiting around the building just in case. You never know.

If it were a warm summer day so nobody is wearing coats with possible concealed weapons, with multiple people around, in either of the above cases, hell yeah I would have told both parties to get the F away from us, but when you're by yourselves, and its dark, it's worth it just to part with the dollar or so in change just to get them the hell away from you.

I hate bums.


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-Richie from Out For Justice

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I was lucky. Fifth Avenue in the daytime, with lots of people all around, is pretty safe, all things considered. Besides, why would the guy come to Manhattan if he didn't make sure he had enough money to get back home where he came from? Does that make sense? Heck no!!



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I lived in the south side of chicago for 2 years. I could not walk a block without 3 people asking me for spare change. (to be fair, not all of the south side is like that) but it was so overwhelming where I lived I just walked with my head looking to the ground and never looking up. I simply would run if they would follow me to keep asking. I just moved to the north side and nobody has asked me yet. wow, what a difference!

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Yes, about this part of the movie. When I first saw this back when it came out, it did'nt make sence that he would say he's from Santa Barbara. You just don't think of Santa Barbara as having homeless people. Yet now I now work there, and its a dump. Its full of bums and graffiti.

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in my little s***hole part of the world i get bugged by bums all the time coming up to me and insulting me…so i always carry a briefcase with and apple and peanut butter and jelly sandwich wrapped in plastic just in case i have to give it to them.

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Well it's a good thing you specified his race so well all could be appropriately racist. It'd be different if he were a white guy.

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Yes.

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Was it really necessary to the state the second man's race?

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Yes, it was necessary. Black people are 6 times more likely to murder you. That's 700%. Yes, perfectly reasonable.

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Yes, it was necessary. Black people are 6 times more likely to murder you. That's 700%. Yes, perfectly reasonable.


Did you pull that out of your ass, or Limbaugh's?

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That's called fun with stats.

Look, you're most likely to be MURDERED BY SOMEONE YOU KNOW. White people are most likely to be murdered by white people.

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How come when you give money to the panhandler it's some kind of canny decision not to get knifed, but when your wife does the exact same thing (with a child nearby, no less) she's "a dummy"? She was worried about her/your kid–lay off.

Newsflash–don't give money to any of them. the more you give, the more it builds up expectations and a sense of entitlement, which makes it harder for the next guy not to give. We SHOULD help the homeless, but you help them by giving to organizations.

There but for the Grace of God ….

You make some interesting points but it's really (IMO) a situational thing … not everyone asking for money is a bum and no one who finds themselves on the streets WANTS to be there but *beep* happens and once you are down and out it's hard to get up again - no address, no phone equals no job - I am not in the habit of dishing out money to the homeless but I have bought more than my fair share of meals for them … I always look at the situation as I stated "There but for the Grace of God, go I"

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I usualy ask them for change, or I start coughing loudly and say, "I hope my TB isn't acting up again." or start scratching myself profusely saying "I caught it off the button of the elevator in the tropics, here's a penny, want some." They usually run away from me at this point. In the past I wore a t shirt that said, "Don't ask me for sh!t!" and I would point to it. The best one is when I got a handbill for a disco in Jersey city in the form of a fake 5 doller bill, then a homeless guy asked for money a block futher down the road. I gave him the 5 doller bill, he was so happy for a minute. "Oh man!' I heard a minute later, "Got ya!" I said. what a screem.

The less fortunate yuppie

I just had a funny thought!!

Imagine this: some Upper East Side yuppie goes into a homeless shelter or a soup kitchen or a Salvation Army shelter or whatever and lines up for a free meal. The staff working there takes one look at this guy wearing his Polo Ralph Lauren khaki pants and preppy Polo shirt with a cashmere sweater draped across his back and the sleeves knotted up in front and his shiny alligator loafers, and they say to this yuppie, "Sir, can we help you? What are you doing here? Do you realize where you are or what this place is? Are you lost or something?"

"Well, this is a soup kitchen, isn't it, where you dish out food for the less fortunate, isn't it?"

"Well, yes, it is but . . . "

"Well, my fiancee–who's the great-great-granddaughter of J. D. Rockefeller–just kicked me out of our posh Upper East Side $15,000,000 luxury apartment and I haven't eaten since lunch time this afternoon and IT'S NEARLY TIME FOR AFTERNOON TEA so please, for the love of God, SHOW SOME COMPASSION AND MERCY, I BEG OF YOU!!!!!" (At this point, the yuppie breaks down in tears and falls to his knees thereby scraping and dirtying the knees of his ultra-expensive designer khaki pants).

Such is the sad state of affairs which is my mind!



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Yeah. I hate panhandlers. They will say anything to part you with your money. I always hear the same thing,"they need money for the bus" I had one guy ask me that and I told him "Ok I'll pay for your ride" and he said "No. That's ok. Don't you think if someone gave you a sob-story that they were stranded and were desperate to get home they would have taken you up on the free ride? Yes! They would, that's how I can tell that they just want money out of you. And they usually will ask you multiple times, if they ask you just say "Oh damn, I was just about to ask you the same thing"! Then they will give you a dirty look and leave you alone!

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Yeah, I still laugh about this one…

About 10-12 yrs ago I just bought a new convertible, and me and a buddy went downtown to see a local band we liked. It was about 10 PM, so I parked in a "secured" lot we had parked in before. This bum comes up to me and opens this container of fettuccini alfredo, and proceeds to tell me this is all he had to eat today, and if he could wash my windshield, would I give him some money? Instead of telling him OK, or get lost, I said I didn't really need my windshield cleaned, but if he wanted to, OK. But I didn't point to my car. I pointed to a car I knew wasn't working. It hadn't moved from that spot in a very, very long time. He was confused, and said "Wasn't that your car?", pointing to mine instead of the clunker. My buddy assured him we had gotten out of the other car, so he just shook his head, and started cleaning. We took off without giving him a penny. When we returned though, the other car had a spotless windshield. Maybe a mean thing to do, but I figure anyone with the audacity to that didn't deserve anything.

I did on another occasion though, give $2 to a man holding a sign that read "Need money for Beer!" I thanked him for his honesty, and explained to him that was the only reason I gave him anything.

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I've had the shoe on the other foot. I've never been homeless, but I remember one time I was waiting for the bus early in he morning and I realized once I got to the stop I had completely forgotten my change. If I missed the bus I would have been late for work, and I was DRESSED like a person going to work and not a bum, but the other people at the bus stop gave me the dirtiest looks when I explained what had happened, even the ones who were regulars and saw that I got off at the same place, same time, eveyr morning. Luckily, the bus driver was also a regular and he let me go and pay double the next day, but after being in a situation like that I have mroe sympathy for people like that. If someone's at a bus stop and asking for change, I'm more willing now to use my common sense (does their story make sense? are they dressed like what they say they're doing? etc.) and actually consider giving them some spare change rather than just completely dismissing them before they even have a chance to ask. Really, what difference is 60 cents going to make to you?

You once had all the brains
Now they're just carpet stains!

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60 cents? In what city do you take the bus? Where I live, it costs a minimum of $2 to get on the bus! It's MY hard-earned money, why should I give it away to someone who will probably use it for booze or drugs! I take the bus with the same people everyday to go to work, and if one of them needed help, you bet I would help them, but not some bum who is at the bus stop begging for change every day!

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This was a few years ago, and it was the student fare down here in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. Now they got rid of student fare, so adults pay $1.25

You once had all the brains
Now they're just carpet stains!

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I live in Tokyo, there are bums everywhere. The difference is that here I have never been approached for a handout. Yet the homeless people are still living in the same state as American bums, same conditions and health. This is because America has created a society of victims with whom half the nation sympathizes with enough to keep them begging. The fact is, a spectrum has a lower end for a reason, there will always be bums. They are bums often because they mismanaged money at some point in their lives. Cutting out the handouts will only make them more inventive and who knows, they may begin to find a niche in society, after all, they are people too.

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I could write a whole book on the crap I've dealt with.

I've been asked countless times for gas money, just like "Bill Foster", so nothing new there. Sometimes they do bring their' cars with them. They pull up to a pump until someone gives them cash, or are forced to leave. After saying no, I gotz no moneyz to one bum, some okie chick asks me the same question. "Hey, didn't you just hear me say no to him?" Her man was in a van on the other side of a row of pumps. "'EY, yew bedr watch wut yew say 'o yew get slapped." What? "Yew hurd me yew get slapped." Is that all? Hey ass hole, I just got done getting my ass kicked by 5 dudes in class. If you're not gonna try to kill me, I'm not interested. "Well, yew shunt tawlk like that 'o yew get slapped." WELL THEN DO IT YOU FUC KING TWEAKER! No one else was generous either, so they left. His girl told me "fuc kyou". On the Crosstown, I see the same van on the shoulder, out of gas. Rolled the window down and yelled FUC KING TWEAKERS!!!!

Another time, two azzholes were at a pump, asking everyone for gas. I had just pulled in on the other side of them. One fellow paying customer heard them ask me if I can spare a gallon. I told them, "No, I can't use the company gas card for that. Besides, how can you afford a Lexus and not be able to buy a gallon of gas?" The guy in the car behind them replied, "Because they can't. They stole that car." "Yo, we's not steal this car, we's jus' tryin' ta gets back ta Oakland." The guy said, "The trunk lock's jimmied, I can see the stearing column from here, you stole this car! You better get your' asses out of here, before I call the cops."

Some guy we nicknamed "Super Bum" saw me and walked diagonally across the street to get his hustle on. He's a junkie. Before he could open his mouth, I said, "Hey, wanna buy a knife for 5 bucks?" He said, "No, I don't have 5 bucks." I said, "Alright, 3 bucks man! Three bucks! I need it for dope money."

Sometimes I'll kick down some change. My co-worker and I were getting-once again-gas. This dude pops up, "Hey Bro's! Check this out I ain't even lyin'." Shows us how much change is in his hand. "I'm thirsty as hell. All I need is $1.15 and I can buy me a '40. Can y'all help a brotha out?" I looked at my co-worker-an ex-13 gangster who said, "Fuc kit!" We both gave him enough change for a beer.

Just be careful who you talk schit to. Apparently, bums have feelings too. Some don't like to be dissed, and some don't take no for an answer, so watch your' ass!

You were born a pig farmer.
You'll always BE a pig farmer.
And now, you will DIE a pig farmer.

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In this thread: People who don't know that ~40% of the homeless population suffers from schizophrenia.

Good thing they can feel high and mighty though. It's not like they have much else to offer.

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This is true, a certain percentage of the homeless do suffer from a mental disorder, however it's not 40%. At one point, they were kept in hospitals where they got the care and medicine they needed. However, liberal policies were implemented (something about their freedom being infringed upon), and they were released to take care of themselves.

However, the largest percentage of homeless is people who want to live on the fringes of society. They support themselves by living off others. In Austin, Texas, there's a Salvation Army downtown. Also, Austin has lax vagrancy laws. These two elements have changed downtown Austin, which is now crawling with homeless begging for money. I took a group of students to Austin for a debate, and was accosted at every corner for handouts. At one point in my youth, I would have given them money. Now I simply tell them no. They've become very aggressive, though.

The poster from Tokyo has it exactly right.

"This is not good for my rage."

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This is true, a certain percentage of the homeless do suffer from a mental disorder, however it's not 40%.

It is, actually, between 30-40%. And that number is just for those that have schizophrenia; the percentage of mentally ill among the homeless is likely to be significantly higher.

And this isn't just a figure I pulled out of my ass but a statistic that has been repeatedly confirmed in numerous studies. It's well documented.

Edit: I just noticed a few posts down about teasing the homeless. I'd say that's being a bigger burden (turd) on society than the actual homeless.

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Hordak-2, people who often quote statistics are often pulling them out of their ass because they won't be challenged by the average person. The quotation of statistics (even incorrect statistics) scare many away from an argument because they feel unarmed to engage in a debate. I've seen many statistics about the mentally ill population of the homeless. It's anywhere from 20% to 40%. Statistics are often shaped to match the political agenda of the statistician/researcher or the organization that hired the researcher.

The more interesting debate should be why the mentally ill are allowed to roam the streets, especially schizophrenics who need to stay on their medications.



"This is not good for my rage."

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Fair enough, but that is nevertheless the quoted number in psychiatric journals and textbooks. And it is not from just a couple of studies, but a significant number of them, and as such qualifies as confirmed statistic. That is, if the study is repeated then the resulting statistic will fall in that general area (for arguments' sake, between 20-40%). There is always going to be some variance in polling so it is to be fully expected that some show a lower number than others.

And even if we assume the lower number of 20%, it is still a significant number.

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You make a legitimate point. But some homeless people are asses.

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Hi, Diana, HOW did YOU get on THIS discussion board? YOU shared NOTHING!!!

"You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!" Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men."

what's with the capitals?

And it's disgusting the way you treat homeless people! Most of them are mentally ill and can't control their circumstances, and you motherf!ckers act like it's really putting a kink in your day to have them ask you for money! if you're not gonna give it to them, keep walking, don't be an assh!le

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Great post, but I think it was lost on our young, "friend" Brodie.

"You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!" Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men."

I dunno why everyone on this board is so hostile.

But I don't think interrogating and teasing mentally ill people is acceptable. It might be hard to pull yourself out of the situation if you are mentally ill, and it must be incredibly hard to gain employment if you are, or if you are homeless at all. You people have no empathy, and I don't know why you're attacking me for it.

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I love your username, Destroyer of Communism. I think that's what I'm going to make people call me from now on!

"This is not good for my rage."

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Brodie, I just replied to you, at GREAT length, on another discussion board. I think you're young, immature and NOT very "hip" to the ways of the world, yet.
I'll explain "the capitals," when YOU explain the constant use of profanity.
Have a NICE day!

"You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!" Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men."

what's the point in having a discussion with someone….

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Re: what's the point in having a discussion with someone….

Never argue with an idiot, they'll beat you to death with their words and bring you down to their level!

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