Buffy the Vampire Slayer : I really wish that Buffy and Faith would've developed a relationship
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I agree that they have a connection that nobody else can share with them because they're both slayers however I feel like their relationship is more sisterly than sexual.
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I don't see a sexual relationship with them at all, and I'm glad it never went that route.
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They already had a relationship, and a quite intense one at that, just not a romantic one.
I fail to see how they could be romantically involved when both of them seem to be heterosexual.
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I fail to see how they could be romantically involved when both of them seem to be heterosexual.
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i thought faith seemed bi-sexual despite never seeing her with a girlfriend and i think i heard that buffy had a fling or one night stand with a female in the comics.
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What little I've seen of the comics was very awful and I dont really care about them much.
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I am really ecstatic that it did not happen. please keep your fantasies to yourselves as fan fic writers.
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Whedon said himself that people read a sexual subtext between the two, and, when he rewetted them (in season 3) he agreed.
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And that doesn't make sense. unless we defend "death of the author".
Besides that option, if it wasn't made with that intention, then, at most, there's some unintentional subtext that might be interpreted that way even though it wasn't meant to be interpreted that way. That's all.
Besides that option, if it wasn't made with that intention, then, at most, there's some unintentional subtext that might be interpreted that way even though it wasn't meant to be interpreted that way. That's all.
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Agree being a slayer is like a sisterhood
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I would have preferred to have seen Buffy in a relationship with Faith than Riley too 'cause Riley was incredibly boring, needy and insecure but I don't think it would have happened 'cause unlike Alex in Supergirl Buffy was clearly heterosexual. Faith on the other hand could have easily been bisexual and Eliza Dushku has even said in interviews she thinks if Buffy was made today Faith would be Bi but it was too controversial at the time.
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The catacombs
And revolving doors inside of my brain
Preachers and whores
And the neon pulpits burst into flames
I come from both
Sides of me and either side of their tracks
Humbling my ghosts
Letting life that floods my veins bring me back
The unshackling of the chains on my wrists
And the loyalty to pain that resists
And the greatest books are talking about this
Why must everybody die to exist?
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The catacombs
And revolving doors inside of my brain
Preachers and whores
And the neon pulpits burst into flames
I come from both
Sides of me and either side of their tracks
Humbling my ghosts
Letting life that floods my veins bring me back
The unshackling of the chains on my wrists
And the loyalty to pain that resists
And the greatest books are talking about this
Why must everybody die to exist?
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I mean, the same could be said about Willow. Plus Joss wrote Buffy having a sexual encounter with another woman in the season 8 comics
but I don't think it would have happened 'cause unlike Alex in Supergirl Buffy was clearly heterosexual.
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I didn't know that about Buffy 'cause I haven't read all the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Seasons 8, 9 and 10 comic books yet and plan on buying more after I get the DC Rebirth graphic novels but I think Willow was bisexual and the network wouldn't let them say it at the time. I dated some guys when I was younger 'cause it was easier but I wasn't sexually attracted to them or fell in love with them the same way Willow was in love with Oz or had a crush on Xander and I mainly class myself as a Bisexual 'cause I dated guys in the past and find some guys attractive from the neck on up but wouldn't date a guy again if I were single.
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The catacombs
And revolving doors inside of my brain
Preachers and whores
And the neon pulpits burst into flames
I come from both
Sides of me and either side of their tracks
Humbling my ghosts
Letting life that floods my veins bring me back
The unshackling of the chains on my wrists
And the loyalty to pain that resists
And the greatest books are talking about this
Why must everybody die to exist?
_____________________________
The catacombs
And revolving doors inside of my brain
Preachers and whores
And the neon pulpits burst into flames
I come from both
Sides of me and either side of their tracks
Humbling my ghosts
Letting life that floods my veins bring me back
The unshackling of the chains on my wrists
And the loyalty to pain that resists
And the greatest books are talking about this
Why must everybody die to exist?
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no. you can't have everyone turning into lesbians. I wanted Buffy to get angel in the end, was disappointed she didn't.
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Who didn't? I still have hopes for the comics.
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HmmI could see it but I'm personally glad it never happened. As others have stated, being a Slayer is a powerful relationship in itself. But, I don't think it's a romantic one.
To me, being a Slayer and connecting to the Slayers who come before you is an odd but important mix of a sister-maternal-self love. As we never saw two Slayers together until Buffy and Kendra, we have to look to how other Slayers viewed their past counterparts.
To me, this came off as a distant but very present maternal and/or sisterly bond. Slayers seemed to have a level of care for the girl who came before them, despite never meeting them. And, when presented with girls who could one day be them, they show a similar level of care. The current One Girl learns from her "ancestors" experiences and some even revered certain past Slayers they connected/identified with with. When a Slayer speaks of another who came before her, it either comes off as if she's talking about an important maternal figure in her life or a sister she wished she met. Even Potentials seem to have this style of bond. You can see this a bit with "Buffy & the Potentials," "Faith and the Potentials" and "Kennedy and the Potentials."
From my perspective, in Season 7, Buffy came off as a demanding but caring mother to the might-bes living her home. She demanded excellence because it was for their own good. She cared for them but also demanded respect for how she cared for them. As such, she was well-regarded but oddly resented at same time. As with any child, it was difficult to see Buffy's well-meaning until the lesson was more easily visible. The Potentials knew she was out for their best interest but had difficulty understanding it right away. Not too different than level-headed Joyce to rambunctious teenager Buffy. As with Season 3, Buffy begins to really notice that Joyce's actions were an attempt to protect her child, even from a world she knew nothing of. While annoying at time because Buffy DID know best for herself (such as with Gingerbread), it was still clear that Joyce was easily manipulated because of her love and care.
Meanwhile, Faith came off as the cool big sister. She was far less demanding but still very much in charge. As the oldest sister, she had few lessons of her own to teach the new girls but had learned enough from Buffy to carry on what she started. We see Faith have a more playful hand with the Potentials but also scold them when they're out of line. Because, as Big Sis, she has earned this right and MOST of the girls respect this. While the interactions were brief, I felt remnants of how Buffy and Faith first began as friends. Buffy knew best but was still "Big Sis." She was guiding Faith to doing what was right but still wanted to be her friend to. And, when mistakes were made, Buffy owned up to her half and hoped Faith would too. The same goes for Faith with the Potentials. She wanted to GUIDE (not lead) them but also wanted to be their friend. Because, in Faith's eyes, she was equal to them but more experienced. Yes, she was a Slayer but she wasn't THE Slayer. In Faith's own inferiority complex, she was nothing more than a Potential with power. An experienced one but no Buffy. Thus, she was Big Sis holding down the fort until mom came back.
*sigh* And thenwe have Kennedy. She, to me, comes off as a sibling who's on equal footing to the others but feels she more right because "because." She has no lessons to teach. She has no earned respect among her siblings (the other Potentials) OR parental figures (Buffy and Faith). She herself still has a lot to learn but is still a bit too stubborn to admit it. However, because she meaner, she can TAKE respect from her mother and big sister. More in the context of the show, Kennedy parades around like she's a Slayer but very much isn't. She rationalizes her attitude by thinking she's more experienced than the other Potentials and even Buffy and Faith to some degree. she uses excuses like "She's older" to validate why SHE needs to be heard above all else. She feels justified in bullying younger Potentials because she thinks this is how you take command. But, this is NOT what Buffy and Faith have learned and not what they do. However, as this is how Kennedy's ego takes any of their constructive criticism, she carries herself like a bossy older but not eldest sister. There's certainly a bond of sisterhood between Kennedy and the other Potentials, but she has no maternal respect in that bond. And her sisterly bond comes with no qualifiers for why she'd be in charge is mom weren't around.
We're also introduced to another aspect of the Slayer bond: Self love. Remember that a Slayer is really just the same girl over and over again but with major or minor differences. She gets all the memories and mannerisms of the ones before her, exhibiting some, improving on some or just outright noting but not using others. As such, she is both herself and them all at the same time. This bond is so potent that the current Slayer dreams she's another Slayer frequently. And this was influential in Buffy's defeat of her first Big Bad, Lothos. Buffy saw and experienced what the bar maiden Slayer, slave Slayer, princess Slayer and other Slayers had done to stop him and felt the fear of their failure. So, she went against their methods and embraced her own unique style. This "unique style" would eventually be revealed to be inspired by Nikki Wood, a Slayer also known for dancing to the beat of her own drum. Even in Buffy trying to be unique, she's still being the same.
Further, even those who've met a particular One Girl before sees the current Slayer as practically her. For example, the Master was quick to compare Buffy to India Cohen, the Slayer who's death called Buffy. He makes comparison that Buffy's prettier. The Master had fought others Slayers beyond India but made particular comparison to THIS one when looking at Buffy. Likewise, Robin Wood sees a great deal of his mother in both Buffy and Faith. From what we know of Nikki from past stories, this is an understandably comparison as she seemed to embody both Buffy and Faith's style. I don't think Robin would have made similar comparison if he has met Kendra instead of Faith. Also recall that Buffy and Faith are often noted for being "two-sides of the same coin" despite being so different. Because foundationally, they are the same. They had different circumstances growing up but, at their core, they're the same.
So, for these reasons, I find it difficult (though not impossible) to see Buffy, Faith or really any other Slayer having a romantic interest in another Slayer. For some, it would be like falling in love with your own mother or sister. Meanwhile, for others, it would be like falling in love with yourself. Once again, not impossible but, in my opinion, not likely for Buffy or Faith.
To me, being a Slayer and connecting to the Slayers who come before you is an odd but important mix of a sister-maternal-self love. As we never saw two Slayers together until Buffy and Kendra, we have to look to how other Slayers viewed their past counterparts.
To me, this came off as a distant but very present maternal and/or sisterly bond. Slayers seemed to have a level of care for the girl who came before them, despite never meeting them. And, when presented with girls who could one day be them, they show a similar level of care. The current One Girl learns from her "ancestors" experiences and some even revered certain past Slayers they connected/identified with with. When a Slayer speaks of another who came before her, it either comes off as if she's talking about an important maternal figure in her life or a sister she wished she met. Even Potentials seem to have this style of bond. You can see this a bit with "Buffy & the Potentials," "Faith and the Potentials" and "Kennedy and the Potentials."
From my perspective, in Season 7, Buffy came off as a demanding but caring mother to the might-bes living her home. She demanded excellence because it was for their own good. She cared for them but also demanded respect for how she cared for them. As such, she was well-regarded but oddly resented at same time. As with any child, it was difficult to see Buffy's well-meaning until the lesson was more easily visible. The Potentials knew she was out for their best interest but had difficulty understanding it right away. Not too different than level-headed Joyce to rambunctious teenager Buffy. As with Season 3, Buffy begins to really notice that Joyce's actions were an attempt to protect her child, even from a world she knew nothing of. While annoying at time because Buffy DID know best for herself (such as with Gingerbread), it was still clear that Joyce was easily manipulated because of her love and care.
Meanwhile, Faith came off as the cool big sister. She was far less demanding but still very much in charge. As the oldest sister, she had few lessons of her own to teach the new girls but had learned enough from Buffy to carry on what she started. We see Faith have a more playful hand with the Potentials but also scold them when they're out of line. Because, as Big Sis, she has earned this right and MOST of the girls respect this. While the interactions were brief, I felt remnants of how Buffy and Faith first began as friends. Buffy knew best but was still "Big Sis." She was guiding Faith to doing what was right but still wanted to be her friend to. And, when mistakes were made, Buffy owned up to her half and hoped Faith would too. The same goes for Faith with the Potentials. She wanted to GUIDE (not lead) them but also wanted to be their friend. Because, in Faith's eyes, she was equal to them but more experienced. Yes, she was a Slayer but she wasn't THE Slayer. In Faith's own inferiority complex, she was nothing more than a Potential with power. An experienced one but no Buffy. Thus, she was Big Sis holding down the fort until mom came back.
*sigh* And thenwe have Kennedy. She, to me, comes off as a sibling who's on equal footing to the others but feels she more right because "because." She has no lessons to teach. She has no earned respect among her siblings (the other Potentials) OR parental figures (Buffy and Faith). She herself still has a lot to learn but is still a bit too stubborn to admit it. However, because she meaner, she can TAKE respect from her mother and big sister. More in the context of the show, Kennedy parades around like she's a Slayer but very much isn't. She rationalizes her attitude by thinking she's more experienced than the other Potentials and even Buffy and Faith to some degree. she uses excuses like "She's older" to validate why SHE needs to be heard above all else. She feels justified in bullying younger Potentials because she thinks this is how you take command. But, this is NOT what Buffy and Faith have learned and not what they do. However, as this is how Kennedy's ego takes any of their constructive criticism, she carries herself like a bossy older but not eldest sister. There's certainly a bond of sisterhood between Kennedy and the other Potentials, but she has no maternal respect in that bond. And her sisterly bond comes with no qualifiers for why she'd be in charge is mom weren't around.
We're also introduced to another aspect of the Slayer bond: Self love. Remember that a Slayer is really just the same girl over and over again but with major or minor differences. She gets all the memories and mannerisms of the ones before her, exhibiting some, improving on some or just outright noting but not using others. As such, she is both herself and them all at the same time. This bond is so potent that the current Slayer dreams she's another Slayer frequently. And this was influential in Buffy's defeat of her first Big Bad, Lothos. Buffy saw and experienced what the bar maiden Slayer, slave Slayer, princess Slayer and other Slayers had done to stop him and felt the fear of their failure. So, she went against their methods and embraced her own unique style. This "unique style" would eventually be revealed to be inspired by Nikki Wood, a Slayer also known for dancing to the beat of her own drum. Even in Buffy trying to be unique, she's still being the same.
Further, even those who've met a particular One Girl before sees the current Slayer as practically her. For example, the Master was quick to compare Buffy to India Cohen, the Slayer who's death called Buffy. He makes comparison that Buffy's prettier. The Master had fought others Slayers beyond India but made particular comparison to THIS one when looking at Buffy. Likewise, Robin Wood sees a great deal of his mother in both Buffy and Faith. From what we know of Nikki from past stories, this is an understandably comparison as she seemed to embody both Buffy and Faith's style. I don't think Robin would have made similar comparison if he has met Kendra instead of Faith. Also recall that Buffy and Faith are often noted for being "two-sides of the same coin" despite being so different. Because foundationally, they are the same. They had different circumstances growing up but, at their core, they're the same.
So, for these reasons, I find it difficult (though not impossible) to see Buffy, Faith or really any other Slayer having a romantic interest in another Slayer. For some, it would be like falling in love with your own mother or sister. Meanwhile, for others, it would be like falling in love with yourself. Once again, not impossible but, in my opinion, not likely for Buffy or Faith.
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So we just disregard neither is gay?
I really wish that Buffy and Faith would've developed a relationship
I wonder how a relationship for them would have played out. It would have been much cooler to see Buffy be involved with Faith in season 4 than Riley, IMO. I also think that Faith would've made a great regular and love interest for Buffy.