Religion, Faith, and Spirituality : Americans? Do you have an issue stopping illegal immigration?

Re: Americans? Do you have an issue stopping illegal immigration?


You're certainly the one who let himself get all huffy.



Yes, your borderline hysterical reaction ertainly shows me to be "huffy" alright


So, you never actually heard anything HE saidjust paid attention to what his detractors said about him. Hm. That's bound to yield a reliably objective opinion.



Remember when I said we, in the rest of the World, or as you lot call it "Not Murica" didn't get mass coverage of the US elections?

This should have clued you in to the point that as sailed over your head.

What we get is the sensational and soundbites. By a press that increasingly has an agenda.


Wellother alt-righters, of course.


Edit: Misread

So the only people censoring or attempting to censor free speech are the alt right? I get the feeling you just learned the term "alt right" and are desperate to show it off.


I stated my position on illegal immigration. Now it's your turn.


So what? I asked you what "Alt Right" positions I am defending. This is the third time I have asked now and I predict you won't be able to answer yet again. Don't you feel even a bit ashamed of how dishonest you are being?



they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

Re: Americans? Do you have an issue stopping illegal immigration?


I get the whole wall thing might be a bit mad, but do you actually have a problem with the President trying to stop it and if so why?
Illegal immigration would be settled by punishing the employer.

As long as businesses hire them and we benefit from their work, it is not a true concern.

There are more pressing matters that could even involve handling immigrants and that idiot has decided to half build a wall.

If I were you, I'd wanna be me too.

Re: Americans? Do you have an issue stopping illegal immigration?


As long as businesses hire them and we benefit from their work, it is not a true concern.


What in the ever loving hell? So predatory hiring practices and no taxable income from undocumented immigrants aren't a true concern?

"Experts say. Officials say. Scientists say. People aren't buying it so much anymore" - 'Bama

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So predatory hiring practices and no taxable income from undocumented immigrants aren't a true concern?
That's why I said this:

There are more pressing matters that could even involve handling immigrants and that idiot has decided to half build a wall.

You punish the employer, you help eliminate the predatory practices.

However, my statement remains true - the American public does not view illegal immigration as so big a deal since it means cheaper drywall installation.

If I were you, I'd wanna be me too.

Re: Americans? Do you have an issue stopping illegal immigration?


You punish the employer


We've already got tiered sentences for employing illegals. All the way up to ten years in jail and/or losing one's business license.

It's done little to nothing. Even a half-arsed set of fake papers or card can pass employer scrutiny.

"Experts say. Officials say. Scientists say. People aren't buying it so much anymore" - 'Bama

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Of course there are sentences since it's illegal.

That has nothing to do with punishment. hiring undocumented workers is right up there with having a joint in your house.

Even a half-arsed set of fake papers or card can pass employer scrutiny.

No it can't unless the business is dishonest. However, few undocumented workers are flashing documentation. They don't need to. The employer is given a low threshold to begin with. If the employer wants to help undocumented workers by paying them less, they should be required to get them the help they need. It is not difficult. I have a friend who owns a cleaning business that spends much of his office time getting TIN #'s for his workers. He doesn't employ a single person illegally despite most of his staff not speaking a lick of English.

It doesn't matter what state you are in, a politician is not going to refuse the efforts of the employer to get tax paying workers. It's not happening in KY that's for sure. Those workers are a necessary component of the economy.

The reality as it is now is that there are a few options.

You enforce nothing and let illegal immigrants come in without any consequences which, again, pretty much matches up to the concerns of the typical American citizen.

You enforce the laws against the immigrant which does nothing since the risk of deportation is less than the risk of starving or trying to take care of family. plus they have plenty of help and support to keep them here. It would be a no-brainer to me to risk crossing the border, even if I had to buy a ladder, than to wait for the tortilla welfare state of Mexico to do something to help me.

You enforce the laws against the employer which is by far the easiest solution. Most businesses are tied to their location, easy enough to audit, & can take a fine or get go out of business, or the owners go to jail. All of those things have impact, but I think it is far better just to go with the big fine. None of this is jail worthy outside of slave labor.

It is not realistic or even warranted to just expect the USA to accept people that have no record into the country just because they know we are both awesome and have the money to provide them with a better life even if it is still suckier than the typical American's.

If I were you, I'd wanna be me too.

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You punish the employer, you help eliminate the predatory practices.
What about undocumented workers who are independent contractors (e.g., maids, roofers, janitors, movers, landscapers, painters, day laborers hanging out in front of The Home Depot, etc.)?

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I'm not sure why an someone hiring a contractor wouldn;t check their credentials even more.

After all, the risk falls on the hiring party for any mistakes the contractor makes.

No one should hire anyone without proof they are actually in business.

Plus this is where trickle down rules apply best. You start at the largest groups employing illegal immigrants you go down the list to the smallest, most insignificant ones.

The goal would never be to grab everyone since that's impossible, but to make the business community aware that the practice won't be tolerated. As it is, it's pretty much encouraged since illegal immigrants, more times than not, help an economy rather than hurt it.

If I were you, I'd wanna be me too.

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I'm not sure why an someone hiring a contractor wouldn't check their credentials even more. After all, the risk falls on the hiring party for any mistakes the contractor makes.
Incorrect. The federal requirement that employers verify the work authorization status of their employees does not apply to independent contractors. That is, back when Congress enacted the The Immigration Reform and Control Act, Congress intentionally excluded independent contractors from I-9 verification obligations. Hence the reason why you don't have to complete paperwork for a freelance maid to clean your house.

No one should hire anyone without proof they are actually in business
I see your point, but it doesn't really matter what you or I personally think that others "should" do when the applicable law provides that they don't have to check for proof.

Re: Americans? Do you have an issue stopping illegal immigration?

I'd love to see Trump penalize so called "sanctuary cities" and force them to adhere to immigration laws

Re: Americans? Do you have an issue stopping illegal immigration?

No, who's been saying they are opposed to allowing illegal immigration?

Re: Americans? Do you have an issue stopping illegal immigration?

No.
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