The Good Girl : why didnt she told phil that it was holden
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this is one thing that i never really understood either perhaps it was because if she told phil it wasn't holdens baby, then she could tell herself it wasn't either trying to put him behind her or something other than that i'm not sure
anyone else enlighten us?
anyone else enlighten us?
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I am not sure why. But my guess is that she doesn't want to make the situation worse than it is. Her husband said something like, "Justine, tell me that it's my baby." Or something along that line. And she told him that it was his baby. She probably just wants to move on and pretend that it is. Afterall, Holden is not there to contest the paternity or take apart in the life. Justine might have also realized what she had done wrong. From that point on, she might have been more devoted to her husband. And since both Holden and her husband have similar features (dark hair), she might be able to get away with it. But, she probably has to live with knowing that it is most likely Holden's baby.
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I think she was tired of hurting her husband, because..although he was kind of a buffoon, he truly loved her, and it would have crushed him if the child wasn't his. She was trying to put her life back together, and she wanted Bubba to be happy, as well.
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I also thought that it could be because Holden and Phil had "similar" features (both dark hair, at least).
If Phil thinks she had an affair with Corny, he would only get suspicious if the baby was pale and really blonde and everything, the baby most certainly won't look like Corny (obviously) and that would make it easier for Phil and even Justine to believe it was Phil's baby.
I hope I make sense, I have a hard time making my "logical" thoughts clear in writing today lol.
If Phil thinks she had an affair with Corny, he would only get suspicious if the baby was pale and really blonde and everything, the baby most certainly won't look like Corny (obviously) and that would make it easier for Phil and even Justine to believe it was Phil's baby.
I hope I make sense, I have a hard time making my "logical" thoughts clear in writing today lol.
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I think I know why she didn't tell Phil it was probably Holden's baby. I remember what she said after she and Holden had sex the first time "I like this. I like having a secret." The fact that Holden was more than likely the father was her holding on to her one and only secret.
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cause phil knew about holden, when they saw teh story on tv that he had killed himself. if she had said that it was him, maybe phil would think she was partly responsible for holden killing himself.
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NoPhil would have divorced her.
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Maybe she just wanted to leave all her story with Holden behind, and by telling Phil it had been Holden she'd been sleeping with, she would have kept the ghost of Holden alive between her and her husband. Also, maybe Phil would have been ashamed that she had been seeing someone who ended up robbing the store he worked at, running away and threatening people with a gun, only to kill himself at the end.
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To preserve his memory. She knew he'd go off the handle about the guy and she didn't want that. She wanted to keep what they had special.
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I think it was because she wanted revenge on Corny for what he'd done, the spying on her and Holden. She almost goaded her husband into attacking him.
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Thats what I thought. A little bit of revenge.
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My impression was that it was a revenge thing as well, and it added to the dark comedy element of the story. However, I just read that someone said she was trying to protect Holden, which also makes sense, and also that it's her own little secret that she just didn't want to share with her husband or anyone else, also an interesting theory.
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Because she was a pathetic coward and wouldn't take responsibility for her actions.
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I think it was just because it was an easier explanation as to why she wanted to flee the bible study group, she also didnt like Corney so might have been killing two birds with one stone?
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She knew she had done enough damage as it was. Too much of the truth would also destroy her husband. Though a bofoon, he loved her, and she realised she couldn't hurt him as much as she'd hurt Holden. After all he was a good man.
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I think the reason she didn't tell Phil is because for all intensive purposes, it was his child. He would be the child's father and take care of it. Telling Phil it was someone else's baby would have made that father/child bond more difficult and possibly non-existant. He would have either left her or stayed with her, but either way the child would never feel like it was truly his.
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bravo! You beat me to it!!
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Do you agree that that is immoral though?
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She goes with the security guard because he's pale and blonde and will look nothing like the baby, so Phil will feel secure that it is his.
The baby is shown with a head full of dark hair, just like Phil's, but also just like Holden's.
The baby is shown with a head full of dark hair, just like Phil's, but also just like Holden's.
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I sort of thought it was because if she told him it was Holden, then Phil would know that the only reason the affair had ended was because of Holden's death. Instead, she made him think that she ended the affair on her own terms, which would make him feel more secure. Maybe?
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These are all really good explanations. I wish there were more available interviews with the filmmakers, so we might, someday, get a concrete answer
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One thing people are forgetting to mention she also had sex with Bubba, her husbands friend. Even if that was just one time, while she had a longger affair with holden, it would still be possible that he would be the real father of the child.
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Another idea was that it could be she wanted to spare Phil from too much pain. If he can think it was Corney, he can then "punish" him and then think it's an end to it. If he knew it was really Holden, Phil would forever feel tortured cos of it. He can't touch a dead man and he would hate him forever. Justine telling him it was Corney means it's easier for all of them and Phil can think he has "closure" on his wife's affair.
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I always thought of it that she was seen as a good girl, and while Phil had found out that she had cheated on him, he would have thought a lot less about her if she had ratted out on Holden and didn't seem too upset about his suicide. There is been unfaithful, but seeming to have no concious is a lot worse.
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I assumed she didn't tell Phil to protect Holden.
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It's simple, she was caught the only way out of her hiding Holden, is to get Phill to think the child was his, If nothing, it would bye her time. He may never figure it out. the movie says this is Holden's gift to them.
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Yep, I was going to say the same thing. I'm surprised everyone assumes the baby is Holden's.
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Just saw the movie. What you are forgetting is that she's been sleeping with Holden for a while versus Bubba who's she slept with just a (few) day(s) prior to finding out she's pregnant. So the child can't be Bubba's.
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Because it's still something that's hers, her secret, a place that she has all to herself. She didn't WANT to share it with him, it was too important to her.
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I think maybe it's because she kind of wanted Holden to be a secret (although i know others knew about them), and although she did bring him to his death, she loved Holden and I guess she wanted to let him rest in peace after he was such a disturbed person. At the end of the day, she didnt want to think of Holden in a bad light or something. Holden gave her what she wanted (a baby) and i think she just wanted to remember him for that and not have him bad mouthed by her husband. I know what I mean but I know im not explaining it well and its all a bit muddled
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It seemed pretty obvious to me, that she was wanting some retribution for the guard being a self-righteous prick, who watched she and Holden in the storage room on multiple occasions. She told her husband it was him, because she knew that he would go beat the crap out of the guy, even if she told him not to. I was especially convinced this was the case, after seeing her reaction in the store the next day, when Cheryl broke the news to her that the guard was beaten badly the night before.
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Some of you postes are reading way to much into this, she was convincing her husband it was his to make him feel better, she had ended it with Holden so she had chosen her husband. It would all had been for nothing if she told him anything else. Everyone at some point hates there marriage, but her alternative was to stick it out. This fact is overlooked by most posters. So telling him it was his child was her way of giving him something back for her having an affair on him. All the other things if true at all are secondary, give her loving and choosing her husband some credit. One last point the child may be his. I don't think she was all that head over heals with him as some people have suggested but using him as an escape from her mundane life.
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I think the question was why she lied about who she was having an affair with, not why she told her husband it was his child. The latter is obvious, but the former isn't.
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How is telling him the child is actually benefiting him? It's like swindling him, cuckolding him literally. It may make him feel better in the moment but it is morally atrocious. He should get to decide whether he wants to raise and support a child that is not biologically his. Not be tricked into it.
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I kind of felt that she didn't want to hurt the husband more. I feel that she didn't tell him it was Holden because she didn't want him to think that she chose to be with, affair-wise, a mentally disturbed, suicidal man over her husband.
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My theory is that the bible guy was blonde and so if the baby turned out to have dark her, at least he would no longer doubt the baby being his.
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This sounds good but it seems to be way over her head to come up with something like this. Holden gave them a gift but that is hard to explain so she went with what her husbands gut feeling was and that will be the excuse from now on. Phill used weed for escapism, hers was Holden.
Isn't it odd that Phil's gut feeling is what saved them/her in the end even though it is dead wrong, I can understand why they went with this ending.
Isn't it odd that Phil's gut feeling is what saved them/her in the end even though it is dead wrong, I can understand why they went with this ending.
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The way I always saw it was that, she wanted something bad to happen to Bible-Study-Guy. He'd been watching her and Holden in the storage room doing their deeds, so when Phil guessed him, she just sort of went with it. he got his ass kicked for basically being a peeping tom. Some say by two random masked men in a truck. but maybe he saw it as "the hand of God" for doing something he knew might be punishable for. And he got his punishment, all right.
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I take it English isn't your first language.
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tell not told
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wait i'm confused, the scene where they are watching the news and find out that Holden was dead, doesn't her husband ask her if she knew him?
she says: "No"
so it would be pretty stupid of her to say she had an affair with a guy she didn't know
or am i not remembering this correctly?
so many movies, so little time
she says: "No"
so it would be pretty stupid of her to say she had an affair with a guy she didn't know
or am i not remembering this correctly?
so many movies, so little time
why didnt she told phil that it was holden