Monster : Awesome movie and performances……but

Awesome movie and performances……but

Monster is one nice piece of celluloid. Charlize Theron deserved the Oscar, and Ricci did a nice job. The only problem I have with this film is Patty Jenkins portraying Wuornos as a complete victim, almost to the point of justified exoneration for what she did. Go and read her rap sheet and her actions as a teen. At some point, it is a choice. For those who think I do not know what it is like, I was raised in an alcoholic, abusive home, and was molested at a young age. I had even more tragedy besides this heaped on my before I was even 20 years old, but I did not take it out on society. I certainly had that choice.

I too, like Aileen, felt unloved, and still do sometimes. I imagine we all do. And I admit that my childhood has had some negative effects on my adulthood, but it happened, and I, nor anyone else can change that. I can either gain strength from it, or flip the *beep* it" switch and live life without care for myself or anyone around me. What is my choice to be?

This is a huge problem in America today. Nothing someone does is ever their fault. I see people use "situational ethics" every day to justify immoral or illegal activity. "I stole from my employer because they do not pay me enough". Or "I am from the hood and don't have any real opportunities except crime." These are just a couple, but the list goes on ad-infinitum. Responsibility for one's actions is a cornerstone of character.

Martin Luther King says it best about personal responsibility in one of my favorite speeches from him. http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/primarydocuments/Vol6/26July1953Acceptin gResponsibilityforYourActions.pdf

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Just remember its a movie. Dont go taking things so seriously and gettin all deep thinking what a character might do. Try to understand there is a real world and fantasy world like this movie. None of the events happened.

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Wait....what? These events DID happen. Biased on a true story..no?

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Yes, they did happen. Almost exactly as described in the film. DChurpa is on heavy medications, please forgive him.

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They most certainly did not. This film is highly fictional.

http://www.webcitation.org/5b8tAvzil

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Wuornos repeatedly stated, during her last 2 years on death row, that she had murdered all her victims in cold blood.


"Facts are stubborn things" - Ronald Reagan

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I felt bad for Wuornos after seeing the movie. Then I did a lot of reading about her. She was truly bad news. She may have had a rotten childhood, but her victims are no less dead.






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Some were rapists, cheaters, had it coming


This is who I am. This is what I know. Im never gonna stop. Fv!k what they think! -Kuza

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Why do feminists only find it necessary to attack men for anything we say or do, but a woman spreading man-hate like this goes unpunished or unquestioned??

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but a woman spreading man-hate like this goes unpunished or unquestioned??

It seems you identify all cheaters and rapists as male. You're the one bashing men, with that.


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Uhm, no it doesn't. Only to you, perhaps, and for reasons unknown. Aileen Wuornos is the subject of this thread. She killed men. So, don't take things out of context to try and make it sound like you have a point. Makes you sound stupid instead.

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Cheaters don't deserve to die at the hands of a mentally ill hooker who just wants to steal their money and their car. Rapists? Maybe so. But cheaters, definitely not.

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Cheaters deserve death?? Remind me not to get in a relationship with you. Literally everyone I know who's been in a real relationship has either cheated or been cheated on. I don't care what happens to rapists but people who pay for prostitutes, whether or not they're cheating does not mean they "had it coming".

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She was mentally ill that's why she killed people, her bad upbringing helped make her a killer as she didn't get the help she needed.

Not everyone from a poor area or who had a bad upbringing turns into a criminal but people from these areas who have difficulty learning or mental problems find it harder to get out than the average person.

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I bet anything Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, Gacy, etc were all abused as children. I think they should've all been turned over to the state and cared for at mental institutes. Those poor men. Given the horrible, vile things they did, they must have had really fvcked up childhoods.

Oh wait! That kind of thinking doesn't apply to male serial killers now does it?

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I didn't say she should get away with it because she's *beep* up in the head I was just saying that's why I think she done it that's the impression I got from the movie.

All people like her should just be shot as they are beyond help at that point maybe if someone stepped in when she was a child she could have been a normal person.

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Fact of the matter is, regardless of their sex or their upbringing, ALL serial killers have the same free will we all have.
They chose to commit their crimes, it was all their choice. Not their parents, not society, not their victims. Theirs.




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It's a well known and documented fact that most serial killers possess a pathological need to kill which they could not suppress even if they wanted to. You may like to think it's just some psychological clap-trap because you have a simple mind and thus complexity frightens you, but FBI profilers who hunt these people know otherwise.

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"most serial killers possess a pathological need to kill which they could not suppress even if they wanted to"

So that is a fact because the serial killers told the psychologist that they have a need to kill and can't suppress it? Sorry, I don't buy it.

I have a need to play video games all day and never work. How do you know this? Well, because I told you. Obviously.

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You're an idiot.

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It's true. and she knows it too. she said she would kill again in an interview. I have little remorse for her. it is kind of like nature. it is the way it is.

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Arguably it is the natural and inevitable result of what happened to her, but AFAIK she wasn't born with her pathology, like most serial killers it was acquired.

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I agree with your point about people not taking responsibility for their actions.

The movie "Monster" seemed to be an accurate portrayal of Aileen Wuornos, based on what I've read about her.

I understand that you had a difficult childhood, and thankfully not every person that has been abused or victimized will turn into an abuser or a murderer.

I can tell you that when I read "Lethal Intent" by Sue Russell, documenting the life and crimes of Aileen Wuornos, I was horrified and emotionally drained. I felt so much sadness for her victims, other than the first one shown in the movie that raped and would have killed her. I was completely heartbroken to read about Aileen's childhood. This child was abused, molested and then abandoned by her parents, and even her siblings wanted nothing to do with her. She lived alone in the woods because her family didn't want her living with them. She had no friends and the other children were very cruel to her because she was "different". There were no adults willing to step up and help this child; if one person had taken an interest in Aileen as a child, we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

I do not excuse Aileen's actions, and I believe she needed to be held accountable for these murders, but I still find it very sad that she never felt loved and there was no one looking out for her. She never had a chance.

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Thank you that's how I feel about it: she is a monster, but is it really her fault what she turned into? NO ONE was there for her, and all she got back from the world was utter cruelty.

OP, you may have had a rough upbringing as I did (was raped about age 10) but I also grew up in a suburban neighborhood with a family and a few friends. Imagine being alone to fend for yourself at the age of 13; she resorted to hooking just to get by. That's awful and unimaginable and yes, she turned psychopathic, but this was a case of our world, our society, not looking out for those who are down and can't get up. I don't believe money buys happiness, but it does buy you opportunity. She had none. Zero.

And yes some people in inner cities have essentially NO CHOICE than to resort to crime, because they want to live! I think this is an elitist middle American mentality to shame people for desperation, when in reality the banksters, CEOs, and corrupt politicians should be shamed. Their sociopathic behavior is out of GREED, but the people you look down upon for their immoral choices are acting out of SURVIVAL. You can't justify greed, but you can for a father needing to steal to feed his starving child.

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Thank you that's how I feel about it: she is a monster, but is it really her fault what she turned into? NO ONE was there for her, and all she got back from the world was utter cruelty.

I would also guess that Warnos lacked the native intelligence and formal education most people here posting about her possess.

I don't think she had the ability to imagine other options for herself as her life spiraled downward and her situations became worse and worse...or had the practical ability to pursue them.

Of course, that doesn't mean she needed to become a serial killer...but she was in a worsening life that had already started very badly, and I don't see how she could have moved herself on to something better.


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Oh boo f@cking hoo. There are people who have had worse upbringings than this piece of excrement did and they don't become murderers.

Aileen could have attempted to fight adversity and make something better of her life. Regardless of her upbringing, she could have bettered herself. Look at Dave Pelzer, compared to his upbringing and life, Aileen's was a picnic. He wasn't given a chance, he wasn't even really given a name. He was completely and systematically abused in worse ways than this idiot was. However, he didn't go down the path she did. He bettered himself.

Bottom line is that she made the choice and even though I don't believe in hell, she earned her place there.

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I agree completely with seanmaster25. She was abandoned by the adults, her peers and even the one person she thought cared. This was a deluded person at the end of her rope.

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+10000000

I totally agree with you. She's portrayed as a victim which only made people have sympathy for this monster. She became a prostitute when she could of gotten a real job. Many people go through worst things and still manages to steer clear of this lifestyle. And as for Americans never taking actions for themselves, it's true, we have become a nation of children. I just read an article about a mother who is aiming for stricter fireworks law because he stupid son died by lighting fireworks on his head. Don't blame the product when it's not used properly.

I've also followed up on the story of Aileen and found that there was so many people who supported her. She chose that life, did she not think rape and assault wasn't a high probability? But people are watching the movie and bawling their eyes out because they felt sorry for a hooker. Only if we actually felt that way about our elderly and war veterans.

I am glad Aileen died, I hope it was very painful for her. And for those who said she didn't deserve to die, neither did some of these men. Ask yourself this, if someone killed your family member, would you give the person sympathy? I sure as hell wouldn't, they better hope that the police get to them before I do. There would be a missing head somewhere.

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You are absolutely right.

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I AGREE WITH MR MICHEAL 100 PERCENT👍
YOU WROTE IT BEAUTIFULLY THAT WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING.

ITS NICE celluloid BUT
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