Teen Mom 2 : Kail destroyed the father/son relationship

between Isaac and Jo.

I realize that Javi is stable and more masculine, but I full-heartily believe that it was Kail's grooming of both Isaac and Javi towards one another that created this surrogate bond.

I find this highly, highly disrespectful and unhealthy.

And before any women decide to comment just think how you'd feel if your daughter or child imprinted parenthood onto their stepparent and treated you more like a babysitter??

She's an incredible sociopath and narcissist and her self centered actions have dictated everyone else's life around her.

She really did! That whole scene at the restaurant was crushing. I felt terrible for Jo he was trying to tell Issac I'm so proud of you and it literally went in one ear out the other and he only wanted Javi. Can't blame the kid at all

Was just about to write the same thing! Couldn't agree more. My heart broke for Jo in that scene. You can see the pain in his face when he heard Isaac ask for 'his Dad'.

I just hope Isaac and Jo are able to form a closer bond of father and son now. Jo moved to be closer to them because he wants it so here's hopping. Did like how Javi said we are all proud of you and mentioned Jo and Vee. A few seasons ago he wouldn't of done that!

I made a thread about it so I completely agree with your sentiment

"I never hear you speak and when you do you apologize for saving me?"

I agree with you but also they mentioned that Kail and Javi were together for 5 years, so that would make Isaac 2 when they got together, right? I don't think its that uncommon for a kid that young who (basically) spends 24/7 with a step parent and only sees their biological parent every weekend (or whatever it is)?

Also Isaac called Javi his "other" dad, not "dad."

Isaac can love Javi but I doubt he will ever love him like his biological dad, or at least thats what I'd assume. We also don't see Isaac spending a lot of time with Jo so I feel like this is another attempt by MTV to edit TM for their own gains/script, like what they are doing/did with Leah, Adam, etc.

Isaac did call Jo dad and Kailyn had to correct him and then he said my other dad

"I never hear you speak and when you do you apologize for saving me?"

Brookie I don't know your agenda, but you're glossing right over everything ever shown to us about the relationship between the three.

I know my sentiments and previous statements are right and I hope that you would read in between the lines more.

With that said, the most ironic part about the whole damn thing is that Kail wants to move on from Javi, but the relationship she retained between the two to move on from Jo is what's causing the most friction between their split.

I think you replied to the wrong poster Because I already agreed with you and I was correcting Brooke

"I never hear you speak and when you do you apologize for saving me?"

I think Kali is one of the worst sociopaths out of the four. If it were Isaac and Vee with the strong bond with Vee being the 'other mummy' would it fly? She disrespects Jo constantly.

I don't have any sort of "agenda" lmao sorry I watch this show and don't remember details from past seasons

I agree with everything except the part about Javi being stable and more masculine. I never got either vibe from him. What Kail did to Jo and Isaac's relationship was foul.

Does anyone think she will do the same to Isaac and Javis relationship? Kail wanted to keep Isaac from Jo as much as possible. In the case with Javi she doesn't Have to give him any time with Isaac. Isaac is just going to become Kails weapon poor kid

I don't know, but I hope that at some point soon it will occur to her that all this "dumping" and "using" of men that she's doing might someday happen to her own sons if there are young women like her around and THEN how will she feel?

If you have ever seen any scenes with Kailyn's mother, you will know exactly where she gets her bitchiness and nasty personality from. She just comes across so cold and heartless to me, and her mother is the exact same way.

She would be an absolute terrible person to be in a relationship with or married to. Look at the way she gives Javi no attention or affection at all. She doesn't even act like they are dating or boyfriend/girlfriend, let alone MARRIED. It's sickening to me, especially after taking those vows that are supposed to be sacred. I would never in a million years be with someone like that who showed no care or affection and acted like they don't love you as a partner.

I agree; her mother is jaw-droppingly awful. Cold as ice. I don't like Kail and I don't approve of the way she uses the men (and who knows, maybe women) in her life, but I do have to give her props for being a jillion percent better mother than her own was.

I totally agree. She really seduced Javi by pumping up his ego that he is somehow an amazing man by "stepping up" to be a dad to Isaac, not like his biological pos dad. I see single moms do this constantly and somehow chumps fall for it.
It blows my mind, she gets knocked up as a teenager and manages to get a new baby daddy within a couple of years, not in spite of her being a single mom, but truly, because of it.

What did Javi even see in her in the first place? She's no prize herself and is very self- absorbed. She just comes across as a very horrible person to be around.

Not even joking, I bet Kail goes ham, when giving oral sex. Think about that big hog and all the food she forks down.

Big girls like her usually give incredibly sloppy and giving head.

They will gag on a penis, like she's on local anesthesia, getting a throat examination.

I bet she just blew Javi into a marriage.

Again, I'm not even joking.

LOL ????

Lmfaooo