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Mean Girls vs. Heathers

Everybody who knows film would understand that Mean Girls was essentially the 2000s version of Heathers. Granted, Heathers was a lot darker an a lot more disturbing, while Mean Girls had a lot of light hearted, almost juvenile humour. Which do you prefer? I'm going to go with Heathers because it was so original for its time and really changed the way teen films were made.

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Okay, you did not just say that.

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What GossipGirl?

I mean--Yes, it IS true that Mean Girls and Heathers are cousins, but come on--They're FIRST cousins!

And they're both such good kissers!

As are we!

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Uh, lip gloss!

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Mean Girls is better because it's realistic with the themes of fitting in and the painful truths of the realities of high school cliques. Heathers is more about murder and suicide than being about high school cliques. Plus it's too over the top, campy, politically incorrect, and dated. I can relate more to Cady than Veronica because I was having trouble fitting in and I used to eat my lunch in the bathroom stall because I felt so alone. I can't imagine a movie like Heathers being made today (even as a remake) because there are a bunch teenagers committing suicide these days and treating suicide as a satire would be considered highly offensive and wrong. Mean Girls, on the other hand, can be the kind of movie that would be remade in 10 or 20 years.

In Conclusion:

Heathers = dark, offensive satire

Mean Girls = lighthearted, honest high school movie

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Nobody actually committed suicide in Heathers, they were killed by JD and a clueless Veronica. They cover their tracks by making them look like suicides. The only 2 characters that do attempt suicide both fail in their attempts. I apologize for my OCD nitpicking, and will now return to the topic. :D
I don't know if I could pick between these two movies! Heathers is so 80s, and I had such a crush on Christian Slater.
Mean Girls was a movie I saw in the theater with a group of friends, and we each picked who we would be. I was Cady and this guy John was Regina lol. We kept telling him he was such a mean girl, and he needed to stop corrupting me. We lost it when Regina got hit by a bus.
I would like to see someone splice together quotes from both movies in an epic quote-off though. :D

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I know that they were murders, but Veronica pointed out to her parents, while they were watching the news of her school on TV, that the media, along with Heather Chandler's and Kurt/Ram's death, are trying to make suicide look cool. Even Heather Duke pokes fun at Martha Dunstock's suicide attempt by laughing at it by saying she's trying to do it because she wants to be like the popular people. Considering how popular Heather Chandler and Kurt/Ram were, some students that both feared and idolized them wanted to be just as popular as them and think that their fake suicide (murder) would be their ticket to be remembered as "One of the cool people" if they committed suicide. Even the majority of students admitted that their favorite song is "Teenage Suicide (Don't Do It)", which could possibly contained subliminal messages that they should commit suicide (that's just my theory on the matter of that song). The whole aspect of the theme of suicide is what makes the movie dark and offensive today in the teen movie genre.

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"Nobody actually committed suicide in Heathers"

In fact the message was "Teenage Suicide: DON'T DO IT!"

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I think the world can live without any teenage girl stupid enough to commit suicide

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I think idiot forum commentators are much more expendable.

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Actually I'd go with Mean Girls. And the funny thing is, I was 13 and 14 years old in 1989 when Heathers was released and 28 in 2004 when Mean Girls was released. I'm 38 now. So I was much more in the Heathers demographic then I was in the Mean Girls demographic, but I still think Mean Girls was the better film.

For whatever reason, I didn't watch Heathers until like the mid 90s or so, which by that time it already looked dated and felt silly. I don't know why I didn't watch the movie back in 1989, Heathers sorta went under the radar, it wasn't a late 80s pre-teen or teen flick I remember kids talking about, i.e. like say Lost Boys or License to Drive, both with those idiotic Coreys. I even remember Christian Slater in 1990's Pump up the Volume, but I don't know why I never heard of Heathers until I was like an older teenager in the mid 90s. Maybey it was b/c I didn't watch too many R rated films yet in 1989, I'm not sure. But by the time I eventually came around to it....like I said it felt dated and silly...and this is coming from someone who grew up back then. If it looks dated to me, I can only imagine how ridiculous it must look to kids today. Mean Girls would have a lot more timeless staying power, while Heathers will kinda always have that "omg and eeaau, it's the 80s!" shadow over it.

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I preferred Mean Girls. Heathers was a little too dark for me.

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Everybody who knows film would understand that Mean Girls was essentially the 2000s version of Heathers.
In what respect, exactly ? Its not linked to that story at all. Its main characters are teenagers, its targeted at teenagers, its happening at a school, thats about all the parallels I can see.

Heathers has no message or anything. Its just plain brutal. I can also not detect any humor or realism.

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Yeah, Heathers is a bit more on the nihilistic side.

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Really? A school ruling clique of 3 fashionable "mean" girls, who indoctrinate an outsider into their ranks, said outside partially under the influence of others then goes on to take out the clique, and in the process learn a lesson about who she is.
Obviously one was goofy fun, and the other was dark satire, but really, it's basically the same plot and same "meaning".

The makers of the films are brothers. I mean, they even a few direct reference Heathers in Mean Girls (lunchtime poll). It's quite clearly one of the major influences.

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There is a connection between the two films. The brother of Mean Girls director wrote Heathers.

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"Mean Girls" came out when I was a junior in high school. I loved it, but I walked out of the theatre say "It was funny and cute, but I like Heathers better"...yet again, "Heathers" has been one of my favorite movies since I was 8 (the only other movie I love more is "Clueless")


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Heathers. That is all.



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Heathers, no question! Clueless and Easy A are both better than Mean Girls!

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Agree with Heathers. And Clueless. But Easy A? Really? Mean Girls is a comedy classic in the same league as Heathers and Clueless. Easy A was an uninspired, predictable piece of trash (imho). Can't believe you'd even bring that movie into this discussion. Heathers, Clueless and Mean Girls are all so very quotable and finely written. When's the last time you heard someone quoting Easy A?

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I think Heathers is the better movie, way more cutting and affecting, and because it goes so much farther, its messages at the heart of the movie ring more true to me.
Mean Girls to me is just a comedy and I think its comedy loses focus of its more honest/realistic aspects. Mean Girls is easier to watch, but Heathers is more affecting.


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Affecting what exactly ? Its just brutal. Thats all it ever is. There is no point. There is no message. There is nothing to learn.

Both Clueless and Mean Girls are vastly superior. At least we see some character development in it, and the people arent just pure destructive, but try to live their lives.

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3. Heathers

The darkest comedy ever made about high school, Heathers was conceived as the Full Metal Jacket of teen movies. Winona Ryder stars as a popular girl in a Plastics-like clique who gets tricked into murdering all of her friends — and then covering it up as suicide. The script was penned by Daniel Waters (brother to Mark) and it’s comic savagery is truly inimitable.

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I vote for Heathers!

I see Heathers as the "Father"
and Mean Girls as the juvenile "Daughter."

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Mean Girls. Heathers is too dark and 80s for me.

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Affecting what exactly ? Its just brutal. Thats all it ever is. There is no point. There is no message. There is nothing to learn.


Does there have to be a message for a film to be worthwhile or good? No, certainly not... tell David Lynch you need a message for a film, tell Quentin Tarantino or Federico Fellini or Stanley Kubrick. If the latter two were still alive, they would have disagreed. Even without an overt "message", Heathers is still making an impact not only on cinema today, but on fashion. It's iconic and the dialogue may have been extremely dark, but its biting, and it was a pioneering film. In the 80s, everyone was making cutesy films about teenagers. Heathers came out in a time when John Hughes was dominating the high school teen film genre and it truly cut like a knife because it was fresh, relevant and original. It is even more relevant today in our post-Columbine world.

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Having just seen Mean Girls for the first time tonight I can say I liked it more than expected but I still have to go with Heathers. I like things that are more dark and twisted.

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I love them very much. Both are almost equal to me... Heathers sports the 80's look which shouldn't affect the true quality of the picture. Daniel Waters penned such a twisted, dynamic, cynical pure black comedy. There's still great zingers and quotes that even today are really VERY.

Both films have such different narratives; Cady and Veronica are both smart and pretty and got recruited by Heather Chandler/Regina George. They both at heart were nerdy in a sense. How and why Heather adopted Veronica wasn't explained; we saw how Regina lured Cady in to set her up for humiliation and to keep her 'below' her.

Cady and Veronica both had an outcast persuade them to cause harm and humiliation to Regina and Heather. Janis is barely anywhere near as ruthless as J.D.

Mean Girls is often thought of as Heathers Lite. No one dies or attempts suicide.

Both movies are insightful and have a moral lesson embedded. Heathers teaches you that being a teenager is hard, you have more doubt than anyone else in yourself. Despite suicide as a plot device, I saw Heathers as "your life is just beginning; be honorable and stay strong; suicide is not the answer". I was a suicidal teen; Heathers screamed don't do it to me.

Mean Girls says being a teen is hard, fitting in is never easy, stay with your true friends who support your goals; do you think Janis would have told Cady to dumb herself down? The strongest lesson is tearing someone down doesn't make you above them, it makes you lower than them and getting along is easier than thinking about dividing and conquering. We see a lot of shallow relationships; Gretchen only really hung around Regina because she wanted to be noticed. In truth; what did they have in common?

Mean Girls is more realistic in its satirical take. Heathers isn't very realistic; JD wouldn't have gotten away with murder. In the end I like them both for different reasons. Which is funnier? Depends on my mood.

They're both solid teen movies with edge. Tina and Daniel both wrote hilarious scripts. I see equal ambition from both sides.

It's hard to compare the two. They're cut from different cloths. They have some similarities, but to me more divisions. Both Lindsay Lohan and Winona Ryder gave stellar performances. Christian Slater and Shannon Doherty held the film very well; same for Rachel, Amanda and Lacey. Both films were very well acted.


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Mean Girls is really good but Heathers is wayyy better IMO.

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Heathers. Not even really much of a contest. It's just a better more original film overall.

Nothing against Mean girls. It's a amusing and well done teen movie.

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Coincidentally, Mean Girls was directed by the brother of the screenwriter of Heathers. Of the two though Mean Girls is more entertaining.

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Heathers for me too. I agree that it would make people today sh*t their pants because everyone gets butthurt so damn easily. It is dark, yes. But that's what I like about it.

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I LOVE "Heathers"!

I like "Mean Girls", I didn't expect it. I don't find it realistic in any way, though, maybe because I'm not from USA and here there's no such stereotypes. Indeed I know how it feels not to fit in. I never did and in High School I started to like it that way. But all that "popular girls who rules the school" cliche, to me, it happens only in the screen.

BTW, I really dislike "Clueless". I can't stand dumb rich girls (only Elle Woods!).

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Mean Girls is good for light-hearted fun, but i have not heard of Heathers.

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Mean Girls is the Disney version of Heathers.... I thought that about 15 minutes into MG.

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Probably Mean Girls because of the lighthearted humor. Heathers is a bit too dark and dated.

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Such a DIFFICULT choice! They're both terrific. Heathers is now a MUSICAL, though, so that made me so happy. Heathers definitely broke new ground with BLACK TEEN COMEDY, but Mean Girls is perfect from start to finish. Fun question!

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I liked Heathers a lot, but Mean Girls and Clueless had more rewatch value for me.

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mean girls for me since it was the first one of the two that i watched. i really enjoyed heathers. =]

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There are many things in Heathers that make me laugh....but Mean Girls only made me laugh twice: The sign that says swim practice will be held in the projection room (?!) and when Cady tumbles into the garbage can.

I love Tina Fey as a performer, but the script to this piece is just serviceable. If it were truly original, it probably wouldn't have been such a widespread hit.


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Mean Girls. I enjoyed Heathers but thought it was quite depressing.

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Mean girls for sure.

Heathers third act sucks in my opnion.

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Heathers

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Heathers.

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The two movies are VERY DIFFERENT in fundamental ways. They are actually nothing alike.

Heathers is a better movie though

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I can't stand Christian Slater and Winona Horowitz. So Mean Girls wins.
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